But the mayor of the largest city in the country shouldn't be ordinary. He should be better than that. I don't give a shit how durrrrty the pics are, I care about the terrible judgement he showed in tweeting them to some girl not his wife. It makes him look like a compulsive moron, not a sex pervert.
I don't care what pervy pics he's got on his hard drive. I do care that he can't figure out how to keep them out of the fucking news.
Gentlemen: The existence of a handful of women who welcome cock shots does not give you license to send cock shots to all women.
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Your comments in general are spot on; but with Wiener, they are not. Let's wait for someone with the honesty to admit what he does and the courage to stand up for it.
Hamlet comes across sympathetic while calling his fiancee a whore and his future father in law a pimp and stabbing him behind the curtain. Delivery helps a long way in getting forgiveness.
I've maintained for several years now that the same will be true with nudie pix. The prevalence of digital photos and high-quality cameras in cell phones makes it practically inevitable that some sort of naked college hi-jinks photos will emerge for a presidential/VP candidate in the relatively near future. And I suspect voters won't care, especially if they're perceived as youthful indiscretions. (Whether the voters take Anthony Weiner's sexting in the same context remains to be seen.)
but shit, it's not my city. i'll be amused if NYC elects him, and he'll probably do a great job.
Could all this be a lie? Yes, of course, but at this point I don't think we need the caveat. They're not being secretive about their marriage, so let's not write them a whole narrative that almost certainly isn't there.
And who gives the tiniest fuck whether he and his wife have an agreement? I am not part of their marriage, and neither one is engaging in an affair of any kind with me; the terms of their relationship do not concern me or any of you.
Gommorah ain't going to skip itself to us, people...
crank up the depravity and deviancy.
Times 'a wasting!
If Weiner can't manage to hold it together even for the course of a campaign for mayor, why should voters believe he can hold it together for the duration of an actual mayoral term?
It doesn't matter what the nature of his inability to hold off his opponents may be.
We live now.
And now - here and now - being a politician repeatedly being busted compulsively sending pictures of your dick to people not your spouse is FUCKING STUPID and makes you look like an incompetent fool.
Second, even if they were, there is a world of difference between a kid whose brain is still developing who makes the ill-informed decision to send a pic of his junk to his girlfriend and that of a 48-year old man who already quit Congress because of what he did with strangers AND THEN KEEPS DOING IT with strangers! No self-control whatsoever. Did he not consider that one of these women might share his sexting with a reporter?
That said, this is indeed up to the people of NYC to decide. I get to say my piece, but the decision is theirs. It will be interesting to see what happens to Weiner's donors.
Also agree re the abject lack of judgment, the lying, etc. etc. No reason to grant power to someone who has repeatedly shown pathological behavior.
sexting should be forgivable....
but he showed poor judgement...
but it shouldn't be a career killer...
but it is and he shouldn't have done it...
On and on ad infinitum - Dan is right. Cut the knot! Someone has to be the first to overcome this stupid cycle, and it might as well be Weiner. Everyone needs to put a naked pic online. It should be required by law. Then we'd be over this idiocy.
At best he's a creep, at worst he's a sexual predator for sending unwanted dick-picks to women.
Savage Love July 2011
Consent, consent, consent....
This is a grown ass man, and he is expected to act as a respectable adult. Imagine how incomprehensible it is that say, Hillary Clinton started tweeting pictures of her junk all over the internet while running for office in her 60's. See how that is fundamentally incompatible with our concept of a competent respectable adult?
Maybe this "junk on the internet" taboo will be broken, but it should be broken by someone who actually came of age in the time of social media and camera phones. Not some man who took up the habit in his 40's.
It is the sexting to women without their consent. It is the lying. It is the hypocrisy. It is the utter cluelessness.
He would creep me out as the manager of a bar, much less the mayor of a city.
If he had walked to the park and whipped his dick out in front of a bunch of ladies, we would not be having this discussion, now would we?
Why not get over this with a woman candidate first? That would be a double win.
- Anthony Weiner
- His wife
- Any New Yorker that votes for him.
Here are his recent penis pics. After he resigned from Congress, and after he announced for mayor.
It's like the transition from I didn't inhale to President Choom (or the difference between homosexuality in the 1950s and the 1970s).
Should he be honest? Of course. But, who among us is honest about our sexuality to every stranger that happens to walk by? If a perfect stranger walked up to you and asked you about intimate details about your sex life…are you required to be honest about that? Of course not, and the same should hold true for elected officials. We shouldn't require them to tell us anything about their sex lives. And, if we do ask them, their lying to us is perfectly justifiable, just as you'd be justified in lying to a stranger who asks you questions about your sex life.
A lie is only a lie to someone who is entitled to the truth. We, the public, are not entitled to any truth about the sex lives of our politicians. All this "it's the way he handled it" bullshit is just that.
That is why it would not be good for him to be mayor of New York. He's a coward and a hypocrite who definitely lacks self-control and may have self-destructive tendencies.
@45…Anthony Weiner does not owe you the truth on this topic. You're the one demanding it, but he isn't obligated to be honest with you on this (or likely any) topic.
but I can't force them to DO IT! They're not me
your pal Weiner there, sent -- unsolicited -- images of his dick, and it wasn't some tech saavy polytick that hacked his phone, grabbed the images and ran nor did the cracker POS send it.
Weiner did, and it's not testosterone alone, that makes you horny, nor is it being horny that is the problem, and if you think that being "uncontrolably" horny is a problem, YOU too are part of the problem. There is a difference between fucking anything willing, and being overpowering, forceful, and controlling over those who in no way shape or form consent. Testosterone not only provides idiots the pathway to go that route, but it blinds them to the truth as to why they do it.
If you want to make a difference, how bout advocating for secure online voting, since nearly everyone has access to the web, there are secure ways to record everything that happens and there would be no more ignoring any demographic that is eligible and simply wants to vote.
Instead of now, and the 30-40% who decide who makes policy because they don't want to take the two hour long two transfer bus ride to the polling station and set in line for two hours and hopeful make the last bus back
Anyone who values democracy, will be interested in the True Voice of the People, not this bullshit "if they are too lazy to vote" not this "the republic stops angry mob rule" cause I say fuck it all-- There is no Freedom, Justice, Liberty until any state in any Democracy listen to the True Voice of the People
fuck all that other bullshit, there are important things than my unimportant life, if it means His Truth is Marching On
enough of the comedy, quit fucking around and say what will bring change, makes sure you are always in the right (as in not wrong, and not politically) and go forward, bulldoze over toes, roll through whatever idiot attempts to prevent Freedom, Liberty and Justice for ALL, carry if you have to, and slaughter those foolish enough draw first.
There are countless people depending on someone to do something
Shoulder-shrug boys-will-be-boys responses to internet pictures of his junk, are a total 'fail' - fair or not.
Then he did it AIGAIN. And got busted. He's not doing it to solicit sex, he's doing it because the act of exposing himself get's him off.
It's only different from exposing himself on a subway train in the technology used to deliver the goods.
If that is not a demonstration of some pathologically unsound behavior worthy of shame I don't know what is.
"He's not doing it to solicit sex, he's doing it because the act of exposing himself get's him off."
You know this how?
"It's only different from exposing himself on a subway train in the technology used to deliver the goods. "
Uh, they were cyberfucking. This requires some back and forth, some mutual participation that simply does not happen with flashers.
"If that is not a demonstration of some pathologically unsound behavior worthy of shame I don't know what is."
Well, he's not very nice but that's a matter for his wife to sort out, not the public at large.
Again, I'm not saying people SHOULD vote for him. But this angry, finger-wagging, torch-wielding mob that has arisen should mind their own. Wiener only owes the public competence at the job he is elected to, not an apology for being a bad husband. How simple is that?
At some point, some politician will be brave when caught doing this, and actually help normalize this phenomenon. Anthony Weiner isn't that person. Anyone seeing an opportunity to use Weiner to further the goal of getting America's stick out of its ass will, at best, have no effect, and at worst, will help shove it further up there.
> against them one day—unless we defuse these ticking dick pic time bombs now.
I'm skeptical that this describes all children today, anymore than a suggestion that all children in the 1970s had phone sex.
Have you written a letter to Anthony Weiner and Huma Abedin outlining your sexual proclivities? Have you been honest with us here on SLOG about what kind of sticks you like your ass? Do tell us; we expect full honesty here.
He was sexually harassing women he did not know and sending them photos of his dick. None of these women asked him to send them a photo of his dick. Yet he did it anyway.
I'm pretty sure in this imaginary Bonobo-Star-Trekian-Sex-Party-Future Dan and Sullivan have in mind there will still be rules governing consent. THAT and Weiner's poor judgement are the issues here.
I've searched, and the closest I can find is one woman who received a picture of him in his underwear; she doesn't say the messaging continued beyond that, and she doesn't make the charge of sexual harassment.
Can you point me to documentation that Mr. Weiner was sexually harassing these women?
Regardless, I think you're missing my point. I'm not defending his behavior, I'm just noting it's none of the public's business and a separate issue from job competence.
It became the public's business right around the time he sent the public a picture of his erect penis, albeit by accident.
Even if every kid in American is sending sexually explicit images of him/herself over the Internet, that doesn't mean it's a good reason for New Yorkers to elect Anthony Weiner to mayoral office. That's not what a vote to elected office is supposed to be about.
It's not the photos, it's the poor judgment shown in his choice of recipient (pick someone who wants your dick pic), the lies which are bound to be exposed, and the hubris to think that they won't be investigated and exposed, and the poor judgment in not realizing that sending pictures of your genitals to random people over the Internet is going to make many people question your fitness for political office.
@62 It was Wiener version of events that it was mutual. I can find no verification of that.
@66: I would think charges of sexual harassment would have been filed (or at least a public accusing) if it had down gone as you said. But there was not so much as a settlement. It's not like it wasn't already bad enough as is, PR-wise.
I don't think this really fits the Gertrude Award, but this situation is a sort of cousin, if we really are thinking along similar lines.
Lol. Seriously? Fuck this idiot and fuck Weiner, too.
The very notion that this is news is twisted simply for public consumption. Trading in the titillation and passing judgement on the character or acts of Weiner is well beyond your call of duty. So, I was just wondering if when asking and judging this stranger to you about his sexual life, you are freely offering your own as well?
You're clearly misreading me, possibly on purpose so that you can unload on someone. Sorry, but you're off base.I judge Weiner on his actions, as I have the right to do any public figure. My statement @54 isn't judgment upon his sexuality (which is the wrong word - you mean his proclivities, not sexuality), but upon the idea that Weiner is a victim of hypocritical American puritanical attitudes about the sex lives of politicians. As I said, there are pols like Barney Frank, and those like Larry Craig. Weiner is like Larry Craig.
Barney Frank is gay; Larry Craig was tap dancing like the ghost of Gregory Hines for dick in a bathroom stall in the Minneapolis Airport. Frank's "scandal" in quotes was about his sexuality; Craig's SCANDAL in all caps was about his proclivities which are, as you yourself just pointed out, not really analogous. And the only reason I say Craig's scandal should have cost him his political career is that his actions are relevant to his policy-making; he explicitly endorsed anti-gay legislation before he was arrested. Weiner has no such professional hypocrisy on record. He's just skeevy.
BTW, the straight homophobe may do as much damage as the closeted gay one, but the latter is an enemy AND a traitor. So, in my mind, a bit worse.
I didn't think of it earlier, but the mention of Mr Fierstein in the vodka threads reminded me that it's curious that Mr Savage's post's reminding me of Mr F (as this one does) happens so infrequently. Is anyone else picking up on a similarity to Torch Song Trilogy? (I think Ms Cute might be on a similar wavelength and accordingly I shall avoid more pointedly leading questions.)
See, Dan and Sullivan are taking this up solely on the basis of taking on American puritanical views on sex. So I'm looking at two other male politicians who were also victims of that. (And yes, Craig was; if it weren't for the way our attitudes twist gay men into lifelong closet cases, he wouldn't have had to resort to trying to give or get head in an airport restroom.)
This has nothing to do with Puritanical American pearl-clutching and everything to do with another foundation block laid for the dispicable Rape Culture Support Warehouse, built out of blocks including this garbage screed of yours. Fuck you for going along with it.
Also, leave his wife the hell alone. Nothing she does won't be picked apart as if it was *her fault* he's a privilege-abusing jackwagon. It isn't. He's responsible for his own shit, being a grown man and all. Jesus.
Anyway, you're missing my point completely. I'll let you see if you can reread what I wrote from a fresh perspective. Because I feel that I've been quite clear, I won't spend any more time explaining it.
"I'll let you see if you can reread what I wrote from a fresh perspective. Because I feel that I've been quite clear, I won't spend any more time explaining it."
BTW, I don't feel you've heard my point either, and I'm managing to express that without being a condescending dick about it.
You flatter me. I simply noted that Harvey Fierstein was the person who drew initial attention (at least for me) to the Vodka/Russian/Putin-is-a-scary-bigot issue. His is a voice I wish we heard more from (literally--I love his voice).
End of story. It goes to judgment.
If he were single, engaged with willing participants, had the judgement to be discreet, I wouldn't care. If he were married, had an agreement, engaged with willing participants, and discreet I wouldn't care. In either of these two scenarios if he were honest and had the BALLS to stand up for his choices I wouldn't care. I would applaud him. This isn't the case--he got caught, lied his ass off, resigned, and kept on his merry way only to be caught again. I mean c'mon, this guy has a problem. And yes, it's very indicative of his judgement and self control. It would seem he has an addiction or at the very least a compulsion. I know when I first started playing online I was obsessed with it (please god don't let that come back to haunt me!) and yes--it interfered with my work and my life. THAT is the issue here--he doesn't seem capable of putting others' needs before his compulsion (ie humiliating his wife on a national stage yet again)--someone like that can't be trusted to put the needs of one of the world's most important cities first.
An aside... anyone remember the Nickelodeon show, Weinerville? When they'd fade to commercial, they'd have puppets singing, Weiner, weiner, weiner..."
That's what runs through my head every time I see a photo of this very stupid man. If he's too dumb to figure out Twitter, he's too dumb for public office. Which also rules out 95% of Congress...