My girlfriend recently watched Frozen when we were snowed in last weekend, and what struck me was how empty the movie was. It seemed rushed and basically hollow in the center, just assuming the visuals and songs would be enough, but since it is a kid's movie, I can't really blame them.

It was nice to see two female characters with motivations other than men and clothing though. I have no idea what the nutbag Mormon lady is talking about...all love in the movie is extremely hetero, and marriage is certainly the centerpiece of any kind of romantic relationship.

Unless she is imagining the sisters as having a loving lesbian relationship instead of a sisterly one. Which would just be bizarre, and completly made up in her own disturbed brain.

Yeah, what's with all the Mormons mouthing off lately? T-shirt woman, Hollywood-hatin' grandma, and whatever it was that Mittens said last week. Bunch of frustrated not-getting-their-own-way losers.

Your headline is too long by several words.

Mormon Woman Insane.

Let me know if I've captured the gist of what this woman thinks:

Elsa's snow powers are analogous to homosexuality. Her parents wisely "keep her in the closet" and teach her to control her urges until one day, after their death, she gets to come out of the closet as a full-fledged "queen" and "let it go"; spreading her homosexuality all over the kingdom, making all the heteros uncomfortable and covered in gay snowflakes.

She even goes so far as to infect her younger sister, almost ruining her chances to marry a manly male.

Finally, she realizes that unconditional love is the answer to everyone's problems, and the entire kingdom accepts Elsa and her snow powers (gayness), even going so far as to partake in the gayest sport ever invented, figure skating.

Am I close?

If you think the Gay Agenda is bad, wait until you see the Gay Webinar.

"Remember, that in today's liberal society allowing almost anything, even legalizing it, in the name of "love" trumps sin - it's that powerful of an ideology."

I love the way she paraphrases and rejects Jesus in the same breath.

Finally one of these nutbags noticed the gay Swedes. Too bad someone "corrected" her.

Faith does not confer the right to be an asshole with impunity or to legislate assholery. You want to be an asshole because of your faith? Then accept the consequences. Faith does does not justify your sins.

@6,

I'm sitting out of the Gay Town Hall.

@2 We thought so too -- the movie seemed shallow, the characters underdeveloped, and I just didn't care what happened to any of them. Other kid movies (e.g. Lion King, or more recently, How to Train Your Dragon or Up) were much more engaging.

@5 Pretty much. I'm not sure what it says about the grandma that she thinks "hidden" == "gay". I imagine that lots of things are hidden or suppressed when you're a Mormon.

I love Dana Stevens' article - thanks for pointing us to it. I bet there's a story we'll learn of someday about that one moment she describes. It's as if somebody decided to add it after the whole thing was storyboarded. That's my tinfoil-battery for the day.

Frozen is a perfect story for a nation of us raised to believe we're each a special flower with an ability nobody else can match if we can just uncover it and own it. Breaking Bad is the flip side of that coin.

@11: I think it is because they comit the cardinal sin of assuming the audience already cares about the chracters instead of giving us a reason to do so. Also, the only character with an actual arc is Elsa, and the whole thing is obvious/predictable and happens either off screen or just all at once.

A rational counterpoint regarding the film:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/79455/…

@6 and 10, I tried to login to the Gay Webinar, but I experienced connectivity issues and couldn't open the companion PowerBottomPoint.

For conservatives "liberal" (the contemporary word, not the 19th century version) is an insult primarily because for them it's a synonym of "tolerant."

She's very correct about a lot of the messaging. Her complaints about the movie are what I love about it, pretty much exactly. It demonstrates the damage that parents can do to children by trying to force the children to hide and feel shame about some aspect of themselves.

I am not sure if she would be open to education on the actual damage that this sort of parental bullying does, though I doubt it.

The one quibble I have is that I'm not sure that Elsa is necessarily gay, but perhaps is asexual. She is a queen, expected to marry, but has no desire to. She likes people, but doesn't have the desire to marry anyone.

OMG, that "sidebar" of hers is just too much:
"Let me be very clear about one thing, I am not anti-gay nor am I here to judge homosexuals not worthy of their rightful and respectful place among society. However, I draw the line at the idea of redefining traditional marriage to include homosexual relationships, as equal. Meaning, that as a Christian, I believe that acting on same-sex attraction is contrary to God's will, and therefore SSM should not be legalized. Because I hold this value and voice it freely, does not mean that I am trying to force it on anyone - anymore than those who feel opposite and advocate for their position intend to force SSM on me, personally - both have the right [to freely advocate an oppositional position] and should not be demonized, regardless of where society takes us, as a whole."

"As a Christian I believe X, and therefore Y should not be legalized." She actually says that. And how on earth is same-sex marriage "forced" on you, woman?

Guys, for more yuks look up Dear Abby's column from yesterday, Wed. Feb 19.

A woman writes that she recently moved from a conservative state to Florida, where she has not one but two gay couples as neighbors.

She disapproves of them and has not invited them to social events at her house. Now the rest of her neighbors are shunning her so she turned to Dear Abby for help.

Abby's answer was to suck it up and be more tolerant or to move back. Go read it.

This woman is certifiable. Setting aside her bigotry and backwards beliefs, what she is seeing is totally made up in her head.

Besides, Frozen was terrible especially when compared to the surprise comeback that was Tangled. The music was waay too opera and Idina Menzel's singing was over used and over the top all at the expense of story. Plus, it wasn't funny.

Oh my... I'm going to have to come back to this. Couldn't get past "The gay agenda..."

I mean, don't open with a joke unless you're actually joking, ya know?

:/

She forgot about the secret messages gay people are beaming into her and her children's heads. I suggest she wrap her head in tinfoil.

The same kind of conservatives ascribed the "Liberal Agenda" to Happy Feet (dancing instead of singing; closet case) and How to Train Your Dragon (Hiccup is a puny viking who rejects his father's war; closet case).

I feel bad for the children of these parents. But then I'm going to be a killjoy about The Little Mermaid. If Ariel had a mommy, she probably wouldn't have eloped.

Lilo is my favorite Disney character. Deep flaws, a morbid sense of humor. I think that's more relatable than a princess thinking about marriage at age 16.

@14, you probably need to "download" the latest "service" "pack". If you "catch" my "drift".

If there's as silver lining to this story, it's that this insane Mormon grandmother can't even command the authority to program her own grandchildren's entertainment, she's not going to have much luck setting the agenda for any adults.

I'm sure every closeted youth can tell a story about a movie about someone who kept a secret that resonated with them, but that doesn't make every movie part of a homosexual agenda. The same movies resonate for the kids of alcoholic parents, kids who wet the bed, kids who are fucking Mormons, kids who are in whatever embarrassing situation.

@24 is right, and hurry, otherwise you'll miss the Gay Debriefing.

"and should not be demonized, regardless of where society takes us, as a whole."

This is the gist of every goddamn argument these fundies make:

I have the right to say and act like an asshole, but you do not have the right to tell that you think I am being an asshole.

that's it, all wrapped up with a pretty little bow. Every time you hear someone say they are being "attacked" because of their religion what they are really saying is that their feelings are hurt because someone disagreed.

When atheists in uniform desend upon Utah and start rounding up LDS people into gas chamers, then you can say you are being attacked because of your religion. Otherwise, STFU.

@4 Couldn't we just go with Mormon Insane?

Just for grins, I waded into the fray on the Deseret News back in December when their Amendment 3 got tossed out. There are some seriously deranged theocracy supporters commenting on that website. Sparring with them isn't that much fun. Their anti-marriage-equality arguments are like the Zombiepocalypse. Doesn't matter how many times you shoot them down, they just keep coming. The same ones, over and over.

The most reaction I got out of them was them accusing me of being a bigot for not respecting their "right" to set law to enforce their faith. I'm pretty sure they were serious, too.

@19,

The music was way too musical theater. I don't know if Disney had specific plans to bring it to Broadway, or if someone was composing for Menzel specifically, but that wasn't opera.

@29, What is the Atheist uniform, nowadays?

Frankly I thought that the Dana Stevens review was WAY crazier than the Mormon grandmother's review. Y'all seem to be missing the point of the Mormon woman's review. Her main point wasn't about the gay, her main point was about Mormonism and what she calls Christian values (although most Christians would not consider Mormonism anywhere near being Christian). She just happened to pick gay as a crowd-pleasing example that all her readers would agree was EVIIIIILLLLLL and anti-Christian.

Mormonism is fundamentally based on everyone following the same community norms, particularly the women. Everyone must be obedient to authority and the women even more so. Conformity is the most desirable trait, so a movie glorifying a woman leaving the community, commanding authority, rejecting the judgment of others, and blossoming and thriving when she becomes her own person is an ax chopping at the root of Mormonism. The snow queen Elsa is the perfect antithesis of the ideal Mormon woman and this movie glorifies Elsa.

The author picked gayness, but she could just as easily have picked listening to the wrong kind of music or being a feminist or dressing in a non-Mormon-approved way, but her audience would react more strongly to the "clearly wrong" idea of gays wanting out of the closet.

The thing is, she's totally right. If enough little girls think like Elsa, Mormonism (and also fundamentalist Christianity) is over. It's the same way that Republicans were smart enough to realize early on that fighting global warming would inevitably lead to some socialist trends and international cooperation, which is why they suddenly became such strong climate science denialists.

To be fair, there WAS a pretty obviously gay character in Frozen. At Wandering Oaken's Trading Post and Sauna, the shop-keeper offers Kristoff a trip to the sauna, if he didn't mind being in there with his family. He then turned and said, "Hello, family!" The view switched to the sauna, which held a buff blond man and four children waving back.

Not exactly the straightest moment in the movie.

Buff blond man, his wife and three children.

meanwhile in utah 1 in 3 citizens are watching porn. (including gay porn)

For a minute, I honestly wondered if my own Mormon mother wrote that. It was penned by someone who thinks that gay people and liberals even think about strategizing to make her way of life disintegrate—when in actuality—we couldn't give two shits as to whether they spend their Saturday doing baptisms for the dead in the temple or not.

Here's my gay agenda for today, hop on board or not: catch up on TV from the week, hit Vivace, smoke my vaporizer, make a giant pot of macaroni and cheese, bang my boyfriend. Ok, you guys can't hop on board the last part, but you get the idea.

She writes: "I felt confident in that moment, as I still do, and you can mark my words: when Frozen goes to Broadway it will break records and be among the biggest hits of all time!"

Um, didn't Book of Mormon already do that? The very musical that openly mocked your holy book and the 'restoration' of that full and everlasting gospel you hold dear? And you're freaking out about a snow queen? Honey, priorities please.

@2: I agree, I first saw the Tumblrverse's incredibly polarized love / hate reaction, and was disappointed that it wasn't flawed in such a way to anger me, but it also didn't interest me in plot or song.

@31 "Too musical theatre"? Um...compared to other Disney movies? Which have what, like, death metal scores? The most recognizable scores from Disney movies were almost all written by musical theatre composer Alan Menken...The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Pocahontas, Hunchback, Hercules...even Enchanted and Tangled. Even the score for The Lion King, written by a pop/rock legend, has a very strong musical theatre backbone to it. I don't understand why you wouldn't expect a Disney movie to have a musical theatre score.

Also...of course they had plans to move it to Broadway if the movie was successful.

It's amazing the logical leaps people will through to bash a charming and sweet movie. I had to roll my eyes at Dana Stevens for pitching a wobbly over Elsa's sparkly dress with a slit.

I truly pity Dana's child. She'll be guilted and shamed the instant she shows any signs of sexuality.