@2: Are you proposing moving 40 homeless Seattleites to Florida so they can pay $400/month in rent just to cover the mortgage on that place (doesn't even cover taxes and maintenance)? I'm no fan of the professionally homeless, but that's stupid.
I'm not so sure that the investigation is the mystery that Ansel is purporting. I was at a safety community meeting in the ID and saw hundreds of seniors in the ID signing a petition against the encampment. Whatever you think about the politics of social implications of the encampment it doesn't take much searching to see that ID residents are vigorously talking to City Hall about their issues. So, not much of a mystery conspiracy here. I'm assuming - and it seems a reporter could find out w/in a few phone calls or emails - that the Mayor is responding to that.
Welcome to Seattle, Ansel. I hope in the course of writing for the The Stranger, you will become familiar with Seattle street names and directional conventions.
Your repeated references to Dearborn Avenue indicate you aren't there yet. It's really Dearborn Street, or S. Dearborn St. Try looking at street signs when you are out reporting.
Ansel, when people talk about the passive aggressive assholes in Seattle, they're referring to people like RDPence, who for some reason (possibly, inbreeding or frustration at lack of mating possibilities) are unable simply to correct an error, actual or perceived, with a polite and considered response.
Unfortunately, they have to establish their assumed superiority by putting their foolish ass on display from a safe distance from reprisal because behind their anti-social behavior is a weak, pathetic coward desperately attempting to prove themselves otherwise and failing miserably.
When dealing with these "people," Ansel, reciprocity may prove useful or simply mildly amusing.
Why should prime real estate in Seattle be used to house people who have been on the dole for generations and will always be a net cost to the city? Seattle's public housing should be limited to high rise apartments for old people and those who have limited physical mobility.
The High Point and Yesler projects should have been razed and sold as tax producing residential property.
If the "SHARE/WHEEL cult" (as you call them) is responsible for the existence or persistence of homeless people in Seattle, how do you explain the rather persistent reality of homeless people in Seattle prior to the existence of "SHARE/WHEEL"?
Why should rich land developers have to pay taxes? The money will only be wasted on benefits for workers and retirees who obviously don't know how to steal - I mean "make" - money like rich land developers do.
No, no, you liberal-for-middle-class-me-but-conservative-for-working-class-poor-and-homeless, half-assed socialist, the rich stole - ahem, I mean "earned" - all of that money, and they shouldn't have to pay a dime in taxes.
Keep your filthy, jealous middle-class paws off of rich people's money.
If we're going to have tax and spend or borrow and spend socialism, it needs to stay the way it should have always been - tax the worker and subsidize the rich.
@17 - Are you reallysure of the assertions you are making?
Your curiou emphasis makes me suspect you aren't.
Look folks: Homelessness is a result of the profit-at-all-costs economy fucking people over, the multiple wars we're engaged with (a signif % of homeless are Vets w PTSD), and the lack of a social safety net (eg. single-payer health care).
The Ardent Individualists who argue the Profit should come before the common wo/man (*cough 16*) might also recognize that people in extreme economic distress should be allowed the freedom and autonomy to solve their problems. Yet razing assistance projects, and using the police to clear homeless encampments show a clear hatred and institutional intention to actively ensure that homelessness exists. You are just obscuring the real costs of dealing with homelessness by dumping the problem on the police and emergency medical services.
Ok, sure, people in the ID don't want a homeless encampment near them. Most privileged people don't. But they have to go somewhere, and it is FAR cheaper to find a permanent space, give it a central mailbox, and pay for porta-potty and trash service --(thus allowing them sanitation and the ability to find work [mailbox/pmnt addrs] than it is to constantly waste police resources to repeatedly confiscate their property and keep them disadvantaged.
You don't like them in the ID @6? Great, let's find a better space, let them camp, and provide bus service to it. Again, providing basic human right services is far cheaper than wasting police time & $$$ in criminalizing people hit with hard luck, PTSD, or other issues that cause society to alienate them.
@17 - Are you reallysure of the assertions you are making?
Your curiou emphasis makes me suspect you aren't.
Look folks: Homelessness is a result of the profit-at-all-costs economy fucking people over, the multiple wars we're engaged with (a signif % of homeless are Vets w PTSD), and the lack of a social safety net (eg. single-payer health care).
The Ardent Individualists who argue the Profit should come before the common wo/man (*cough 16*) might also recognize that people in extreme economic distress should be allowed the freedom and autonomy to solve their problems. Yet razing assistance projects, and using the police to clear homeless encampments show a clear hatred and institutional intention to actively ensure that homelessness exists. You are just obscuring the real costs of dealing with homelessness by dumping the problem on the police and emergency medical services.
Ok, sure, people in the ID don't want a homeless encampment near them. Most privileged people don't. But they have to go somewhere, and it is FAR cheaper to find a permanent space, give it a central mailbox, and pay for porta-potty and trash service --(thus allowing them sanitation and the ability to find work [mailbox/pmnt addrs] than it is to constantly waste police resources to repeatedly confiscate their property and keep them disadvantaged.
You don't like them in the ID @6? Great, let's find a better space, let them camp, and provide bus service to it. Again, providing basic human right services is far cheaper than wasting police time & $$$ in criminalizing people hit with hard luck, PTSD, or other issues that cause society to alienate them.
We could just change the laws to make theft and robbery committed by the poor and homeless legal in much the same way as we made theft by banks and corporations legal.
It would reduce our cost for police, courts and jails and shift the burden of that expense directly to the individual.
Why should all of the taxpayers have to foot the bill for law and order when only some of the people are actually easy targets for criminals? That's SOCIALISM, you know?
This free market approach seems reasonable and logical, right?
Seattle has been slouching in the ease, protection and comfort of middle-class socialism far too long.
If you're truly worthy of having food, clothing, shelter, education and healthcare, prove it in the free market survival of the fittest. If you can hold on to what you have, what you need to live without any help from anyone else, you can keep it. Otherwise, let the culling begin.
@17: If you gave every homeless person in Seattle $50K, a year's rent, and an entry level job for a year, let's toss in 100 shares of some pricey stock, would that end homelessness? Unfortunately, not by a long shot.
I'm not saying to forgo the problem, quite the contrary. The less blame and more cooperation is what's needed. Stay away from the red herrings on this one.
wow, seems like everyone is going about 5 steps past the relevant point here. this isn't about housing, or money, or how lazy or fucked over by the economy these people are. and who cares if they DO want to be homeless?
the only question here is that some people just want to camp on some property and the owners of said property want to let them. what is the big fucking problem with that??? land of the free? ha!
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The icing on the cake is that they're named after democrats!
nah, easier to remind the public of the broken promises of the elected mayor who was unable to make the camp unnecessary.
so, rename it McGinnville (like that city in Oregon).
Your repeated references to Dearborn Avenue indicate you aren't there yet. It's really Dearborn Street, or S. Dearborn St. Try looking at street signs when you are out reporting.
Ansel, when people talk about the passive aggressive assholes in Seattle, they're referring to people like RDPence, who for some reason (possibly, inbreeding or frustration at lack of mating possibilities) are unable simply to correct an error, actual or perceived, with a polite and considered response.
Unfortunately, they have to establish their assumed superiority by putting their foolish ass on display from a safe distance from reprisal because behind their anti-social behavior is a weak, pathetic coward desperately attempting to prove themselves otherwise and failing miserably.
When dealing with these "people," Ansel, reciprocity may prove useful or simply mildly amusing.
The High Point and Yesler projects should have been razed and sold as tax producing residential property.
The actual fact is that there are many porgrams that get homeless people off the street and back into productive society, if they want to work at it
Most of these Nicklesville people are both "homeless by choice" and caught up in the participation requierments of their cult.
Many of them simply don't want to give up drugs and high-gravity alcohol, and get off the street.
But mostly, it's the SHARE / WHEEL cult that keeps them where they are.
If the "SHARE/WHEEL cult" (as you call them) is responsible for the existence or persistence of homeless people in Seattle, how do you explain the rather persistent reality of homeless people in Seattle prior to the existence of "SHARE/WHEEL"?
Why should rich land developers have to pay taxes? The money will only be wasted on benefits for workers and retirees who obviously don't know how to steal - I mean "make" - money like rich land developers do.
No, no, you liberal-for-middle-class-me-but-conservative-for-working-class-poor-and-homeless, half-assed socialist, the rich stole - ahem, I mean "earned" - all of that money, and they shouldn't have to pay a dime in taxes.
Keep your filthy, jealous middle-class paws off of rich people's money.
If we're going to have tax and spend or borrow and spend socialism, it needs to stay the way it should have always been - tax the worker and subsidize the rich.
Your curiou emphasis makes me suspect you aren't.
Look folks: Homelessness is a result of the profit-at-all-costs economy fucking people over, the multiple wars we're engaged with (a signif % of homeless are Vets w PTSD), and the lack of a social safety net (eg. single-payer health care).
The Ardent Individualists who argue the Profit should come before the common wo/man (*cough 16*) might also recognize that people in extreme economic distress should be allowed the freedom and autonomy to solve their problems. Yet razing assistance projects, and using the police to clear homeless encampments show a clear hatred and institutional intention to actively ensure that homelessness exists. You are just obscuring the real costs of dealing with homelessness by dumping the problem on the police and emergency medical services.
Ok, sure, people in the ID don't want a homeless encampment near them. Most privileged people don't. But they have to go somewhere, and it is FAR cheaper to find a permanent space, give it a central mailbox, and pay for porta-potty and trash service --(thus allowing them sanitation and the ability to find work [mailbox/pmnt addrs] than it is to constantly waste police resources to repeatedly confiscate their property and keep them disadvantaged.
You don't like them in the ID @6? Great, let's find a better space, let them camp, and provide bus service to it. Again, providing basic human right services is far cheaper than wasting police time & $$$ in criminalizing people hit with hard luck, PTSD, or other issues that cause society to alienate them.
Your curiou emphasis makes me suspect you aren't.
Look folks: Homelessness is a result of the profit-at-all-costs economy fucking people over, the multiple wars we're engaged with (a signif % of homeless are Vets w PTSD), and the lack of a social safety net (eg. single-payer health care).
The Ardent Individualists who argue the Profit should come before the common wo/man (*cough 16*) might also recognize that people in extreme economic distress should be allowed the freedom and autonomy to solve their problems. Yet razing assistance projects, and using the police to clear homeless encampments show a clear hatred and institutional intention to actively ensure that homelessness exists. You are just obscuring the real costs of dealing with homelessness by dumping the problem on the police and emergency medical services.
Ok, sure, people in the ID don't want a homeless encampment near them. Most privileged people don't. But they have to go somewhere, and it is FAR cheaper to find a permanent space, give it a central mailbox, and pay for porta-potty and trash service --(thus allowing them sanitation and the ability to find work [mailbox/pmnt addrs] than it is to constantly waste police resources to repeatedly confiscate their property and keep them disadvantaged.
You don't like them in the ID @6? Great, let's find a better space, let them camp, and provide bus service to it. Again, providing basic human right services is far cheaper than wasting police time & $$$ in criminalizing people hit with hard luck, PTSD, or other issues that cause society to alienate them.
OR...
We could just change the laws to make theft and robbery committed by the poor and homeless legal in much the same way as we made theft by banks and corporations legal.
It would reduce our cost for police, courts and jails and shift the burden of that expense directly to the individual.
Why should all of the taxpayers have to foot the bill for law and order when only some of the people are actually easy targets for criminals? That's SOCIALISM, you know?
This free market approach seems reasonable and logical, right?
Seattle has been slouching in the ease, protection and comfort of middle-class socialism far too long.
If you're truly worthy of having food, clothing, shelter, education and healthcare, prove it in the free market survival of the fittest. If you can hold on to what you have, what you need to live without any help from anyone else, you can keep it. Otherwise, let the culling begin.
Good luck.
Utter horseshit.
I'm not saying to forgo the problem, quite the contrary. The less blame and more cooperation is what's needed. Stay away from the red herrings on this one.
the only question here is that some people just want to camp on some property and the owners of said property want to let them. what is the big fucking problem with that??? land of the free? ha!
@24 - Well said raindrop, I agree with you.