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Racism in same-sex couples:

Lesbian couple sues hospital because sperm for their baby came from a (trigger warning Fox News) black man.

Cramblett said she and Zinkon love their 2-year-old daughter, Payton, very much and wouldn't change anything about her. But they are concerned about raising her in the predominantly white community where they live.


What a despicable couple. Yes it was an accident and after their initial anger and complaint to the hospital they should have had a good laugh and never spoke of it again. Make it a happy accident. Children of mixed race grow up to be beautiful people. Now that poor child will someday understand the lawsuit and feel that she is less that what her parents wanted, no matter how much they try to reassure her.

The overt racists in America are not the problem with moving to a post racial society. This attitude is the real problem.
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Okay, you know I love you guys; I know you're short-staffed, suffering from end-of-summer doldrums, heading into an election home stretch that promises no fun at all, etc., etc., but unless you have a better idea, why not do a little more crowd-sourcing. It feels like dumb items like Godden's cupcakes and Blow-Me-Oh's dance moves are getting multiple posts because there's nothing else.

Put up a post informing people they can Slog-tip fun/wacky/infuriating/think-piece/news-you-can-use stories. Tell us what you're looking for, or better, what you're NOT looking for. Pat us on the head with "Don't be crushed if we fail to pick up your stupid story. Keep trying."

Say whether you prefer e-mails headed "SlogTip" to editor@thestranger.com, or tweets to somebody in particular, or both, or carrier pigeon, whatever. Or create a web form linked to a prominent "SlogTip" button on the site.

You need a boost. IMHO.
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That was the grossest 'dance' I have ever seen performed.
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Why (oh why) is none of the media pressing on the source of the Mercer Island E.coli? It seems like the powers that be are being given a skip to just track its ebb and flow without fielding the necessary efforts to isolate the source. Take as many samples along the network as possible and focus in where the concentrations are even slightly higher; track it down. Tell us that someone done the DNA analysis to prove its a human E.coli source and not some horse paddock there. Dang-and-blast, "reporters", ask these questions don't just be satisfied reporting a mere "alls-clear" versus "whoops no it isn't" status.
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Wait, Bellomio wearing a Quicksilver T Shirt, rave dancing in a crowded apartment near a shih-poo dog ? Slightly less "crazy man hovel" than I'd expected.

Maybe it's time to get Jean Godden's rave dance video, to appeal to those kids who put Sawant in office.
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Decision Allows Abortion Law, Forcing 13 Texas Clinics to Close - THIS IS INSANITY! The whole story gives me a stomach ache. No clinics in West Texas or south of San Antonio. Do you know how many women this decision will affect? We're moving backwards...
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@1 no, dear concern troll, the problem is the racists in her family and neighborhood who make her feel it's an unfit place to raise a mixed-race child. So she's doing the right thing, packing up and moving. A despicable person such as yourself would give up the child.

Speaking of unfit places to live... Texas. (what @6 said)
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@7: No, that's wrong. What's wrong is running away from problems instead of facing them head-on. Her family and locale racial attitude problems are tangential (and also everywhere). Their lack of convictions, plus lack of confidence, lack of checking out the QA on the clinic, and gaming the system to "teach them a lesson" only drives up malpractice rates, and cowardice is what's despicable.
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A smell an excuse to post a cute mouse picture. Go to the hardware store.
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There's a blue jay going to town on a branch outside my window. What a beautiful morning it is.
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way to go texas! think of how many more unwanted children will be born thanks to your work. truly you are the most morally upright state, at least until every other GOP-controlled state legislature one-ups this law.

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@1 "What a despicable couple"



You are a moron, which is readily confirmed by your acknowledging that you are a FOX reader/watcher. Why do you take every opportunity to remind us that people like you love to revel in their mediocrity?
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@1,8,

They should have had a good laugh about it??

The hospital/sperm bank should absolutely be sued for malpractice because what they did was MALPRACTICE. The race of the kid is irrelevant. The hospital fucked up and they must take responsibility and suffer the consequences of that.

Your post is the only thing we should laugh at.
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"Restaurants are closed;
schools are open."

Water is boiled, or
You'll be poopin'
--
Revolutionary e.coli sez: "Afflict the comfortable, and comfort the afflicted!"
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@12: It's an error that had colossal ramifications. Things still go wrong in the best of hospitals even with oversight, safeguards, and redundancy. That's the price we pay for advanced medical technology. That's the price we pay for being human.

This couple moved to be close with family, now they're also going to be robbing the joy from their family of seeing their daughter, but they are too selfish to even consider that. And they are indulging their hypersensitivity over incidental racist comments and mean looks. Ohio is no more racist than anywhere else in the northern central, mid-Atlantic, and rust belt states.
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@15: As long as you enjoy paying higher deductibles, then you can keep your smug punitive stance.
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@17: Do you have any evidence that the two women are just being hysterical about the racism they are perceiving?



Or are you just making stuff up again?
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@19: Only that they're moving.
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@20 That you can watch/read FOX without puking indicates that you have nothing relevant to contribute on the topic of race.
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@17: And that according to Livibility.com, it's pretty good in cultural diversity.

@21: If you're not disputing the facts of the article, then you are just venting because of your displeasure over a particular news source. If you really hate Fox that much, which it appears you do, you can read the same story on CBS. Sorry for disturbing your delicate news source sensibilities.

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@21: I also provided a 'Fox News trigger warning'. No fair complaining after receiving a trigger warning.
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@18,
When an organization makes a mistake, they should be punished. Period. Punishment shouldn't be based on whether people think they can afford price increases or not.

If someone robbed a bank, would you base their punishment on how much it would cost us to imprison them? Hopefully not. The punishment should fit the crime, not society's pocketbook.
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@24, 25: Caps on damages and tort reform?

Otherwise, you're stunting the progress and growth of the science and professions and making it more expensive for all. This is an area, like taxation, where there is a balance and compromise that must be continuoulsy reviewed and adjusted.
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@22 Your attempt at minimizing the reality and consequences of racism when growing up brown in a white community is entirely consistent with your attempt at painting that militant reactionary network, Fox, as an acceptable news organization. Unfortunately for you, consistency in being vile is not in itself a virtue despite your best trial at appearing reasonable.
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@1,

Sperm banks occasionally make fuck ups like this when inseminating the woman of a heterosexual couple, wherein they were supposed to use the husband's sperm, but instead used some rando's. Do those people have good cause to sue, or should they just "laugh it off"? Is it only lesbians who have to live according to your inane worldview, you piece of trash?
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As a typical hypocritical Republican (but I repeat myself), if raindrop were ever the victim of even benign medical malpractice, he would see it as the most grave injustice ever to befall someone and would sue for hundreds of millions.
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@22 I don't know where your getting your info. Yes Uniontown Ohio is a nice place, if your white and Christian. But by no stretch of the imagination can it be said to be "pretty good in cultural diversity". It is 98.14% white, blacks 0.32% as of the 2000 census.



It is a small town population 2,802 in the bible belt. I've been there many times nice enough town but while a white lesbian couple could probable fly below the radar toss a mixed race child into the mix mmmm not so much.



According the Advocate article I read on this couple it seems to me that the sperm bank they used was pretty sloppy with their record keeping. So yeah the couple has a case and should bring it. I can think of many nice communities in Ohio where a lesbian couple raising a biracial child wouldn't raise an eyebrow. Uniontown isn't one of them.
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@27: Didn't you see the CBS? And did you not see my Fox trigger warning in @1? Geez.
I will always give Fox trigger warnings, and if you don't like it then you have no right to complain because you were warned. That's the function of trigger warnings.
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@30 - Be that as it may, they still have cemented into history that their little girl is not the color they preferred by doing this lawsuit. That, in itself, will haunt the parents and their daughter for the rest of their lives.

In this case, the family's sense of well being trumps litigation.
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@31 Since you need everything spelled out:



1) The source of the article has nothing to do with your editorializing multiple times like a complete blowhard about that couple's circumstances and racism. I have made it clear several times that your commentary (not the news story) is the problem here so why do you pretend otherwise?



2) your warning doesn't change the fact that you are a user of that repulsive network, let it be known repeatedly, and pretend it is your garden variety corporate news when it is anything but.
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@33: Your point #2 contradicts your point #1. You need to reconcile that.
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@26,
Caps on damages are fine. Restricting lawsuits to reasonable complaints is fine.

This couple is making a reasonable complaint.

Saying a couple who were legitimately the victims of malpractice should "laugh it off" is stupid.
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@32 MEH that's your assumption. It is equally possible that the conception, birth, lawsuit, the result, the integration of the story could be incorporated into the family history without being traumatic.



We can make predictions lay odds whatever but we live in a capitalist society and lawsuits are a big part of that so sorry gay raindrop for vulture capitalist Romney you reap what you sow.
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Oh and BTW to Stranger staff you have MICE in your office. There is never just one mouse, it is always mice. And yes traps and or poison in and around Charles's desk might be a place to start. (for the mice not Charles of course).
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@37

A cat would be better.
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@38 I'll give you that. But would note female cats kill, male cats play first kill later.
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@34 Your nonsensical response fails to account for your systematically minimizing the effects of racism and your watching/reading a far right wing network like Fox.
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@36: My dear Machiavelli,

I could perhaps agree that there is provocation for a lawsuit. But in this very unique circumstance, what is the ultimate value of such litigation, and is the end result worth the trauma under the media spotlight?

The answer to that question is superseded by the child's inherent innocence in coming into the world, despite horrendous mistakes by the clinic. The ultimate perspective must be that her genetics must be CELEBRATED, rather than cast as sub-optimal as the result of a lab error. The child is perfectly healthy, of diverse heritage, so why not celebrate that instead of indulging in victimological litigation?

Don't you see my point at all?
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In addition, don't you all know that children and adolescents internalize guilt needlessly because of stupid adults?
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@41,
It doesn't have to be one or the other. The child can be celebrated AND the clinic can be sued for malpractice.

The news media is going to focus on the race of the child because that's what they always do. They're trying to enrage viewers so they can sell more ads, pure and simple. You know, capitalism.
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Oh my Raindrop you really have gone all Lyndsey Graham drama queen over this. Yes the family might do a poor job of explaining all this to child and that likely would be bad. Alternatively they could do a good job of explaining it and while not a common narrative it becomes a part of the uniqueness of their family unit.
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@44: Pardon me for belaboring the point, but really, please don't be flippant or stereotypical about my concerns, and those of anyone who has studied child development or raised children.



Kids internalize things and their "id" (as in Freud) absorbs guilt like a sponge in a Mississippi delta.



Granted, mistakes were made and those that failed to adhere to the highest QA should be held acceptable. Nevertheless, this is a situation where looking at the broader picture is the optimal choice rather than getting compensation or seeking damages through litigation spotlighted by the intense media.
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@45 What would the child internalize if one of the grand-parents happened to be intensely racist? See, you don't know jackshit about the circumstances of their case yet here you are pontificating and bearing judgement for days on end about it.



Go away.
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@46: Are they insanely racist? Hardly. They moved from Illinois to Ohio to be with them in the first place. Why would they do that even if the child was all white?

And even if some of them are intensely racist, that is no reason to throw this child into the media's spotlight and decree (by proxy of the lawsuit) that her pigmentation ruffles the delicate sensibilities of her relatives and community.
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@ 47 - I was afraid that you were going to do this. The point is we don't fucking know despite you pretending otherwise. I can imagine numerous possibilities why they would have moved there to eventually realize it wasn't a good thing. Why can't you? I know: you are a freaking moralist who wants to judge everyone according to his preconceived notions like conservatives do all the times.
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@48: We know the facts. We know that they filed a lawsuit and are having to move because of stated concerns. I am not a freaking moralist, I just have morals. As it is moral to promote the fact that it doesn't matter what color of skin the little girl has.
As much as you liberals want to pretend its the 1960's before the civil rights act and there's that the racism in the upper Midwest is as bad as it was then, then I pity your silly ruminating.

I don't care where they live. But these women are idiots forever putting their child and their family in the arena of public consumption and the haunting blemish of that lawsuit in their lives no matter the outcome or the amount of compensation from awarded damages.

Poor kid.
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@50 "As much as you liberals want to pretend its the 1960's before the civil rights act and there's that the racism in the upper Midwest is as bad as it was then"



As I said previously, your purpose is to understate the reality and consequences of racism today (this time with the use of a strawman). You claim to have morals but whatever animates you isn't steeped in fairness and compassion for others since you apparently deny the large discrepancy in average socioeconomic conditions between whites and minorities. This denial of reality is unethical, which leads one to think that what you call morality is in fact whatever helps you protect the status quo and your privilege. Needless to say that this is despicable behavior yet par for the course of a Fox network user.
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@50: You know that Slog staffers from time to time links to Fox News.

The racism in this whole thing is a red herring. The couple's family was obviously accepting enough to accept a same-sex relationship. Such folks are typically not racists, much less over racists.

And a few raised eyebrows or hostile looks in a restaurant, teasing at school, are all tests the child will, unfortunately, have to deal with but it will make her a stronger person. She'd get those looks in Ohio or Washington State.

Liberals like to extrapolate nonexistent racism where it doesn't exist to suits their narrative, that's the main obstacle our society has in finally moving to a post-racial society.
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@51: Yet here you are, extrapolating from nothing that the racism is nonexistent. You are a hypocrite with no integrity.
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@51
"You know that Slog staffers from time to time links to Fox News."




They certainly don't claim to read/watch it regularly as you implied a few days ago.



"child will, unfortunately, have to deal with but it will make her a stronger person"




More reality denial and minimizing of the consequences of racism. Discrimination doesn't make the overwhelming majority of people stronger, jackass.



"nonexistent racism"




More denial of the pervasive and systemic reality of racism. You are truly an immoral person. I am waiting for you to tell me that "blacks largely bring it onto themselves". You likely won't as it would blow your 'reasonable' cover, troll.



"finally moving to a post-racial society"




LOL (although that's hardly a laughing matter}. What world do you live in to not know about the socioeconomics faced by blacks and other minorities? for a second, I forgot your reality is that of Fox, a network well known for making up the news rather than reporting them.
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@53: You continue to be hung up on Fox, I don't know why, but it's very strange that a news corporation would enrage you enough to gripe about it in just about every comment. You probably never even watch it, just gripe about it. Well, I don't watch CNN, so I don't gripe about it.

I'm the one saying that the kid's mixed race shouldn't matter, yet this couple and you say it does. I'm the one saying that it's better to accept the situation and move on rather than invite litigation, and bring the media spectacle into their lives.

I'm the one who has the backbone to say that it is better interest of the child to not have this nuttiness in her life.

You're just talking in circles.
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@52: I never said that it was non-existent. Please read before typing.
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@54 Your avowed comfort with the discourse of the far right wing (i.e. Fox) says everything we really need to know about your sorry ass.
You are saying the kid's race doesn't matter because you deny the systemic nature of racism as reflected in socioeconomic discrepancies. You are just a typical racist Fox watcher.
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@56: This is reverberating. I'll give you the last word. Bye.

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