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For once I have to stand up for Charles, since he isn't the one claiming harassment; that's being done by the eye-witnesses to what transpired. Charles is simply reporting what they claimed to have seen.
But go ahead. Do your thing Charles and follow up on the story.
"Christenson's confrontation with the Muslims at Pike Place Market ended."
Street performers in Pike Place Market are required to have a permit. Perform without one and Market Security will promptly ask you to leave.
Every time someone says that to Sam Harris his panties get all twisted, but you're right about him there.
Not weighing in on the situation, but most of the market is actually not public land, not even the street or sidewalk. Pike Place (the street) is legally a driveway. The only sidewalk in the Market that is actually public land is 1st avenue. That is why people can be trespassed from the Market entirely.
Do they typically ask unlicensed performers to leave by calling the SPD?
Also, this is a re-creation/expansion of a social experiment that was widely seen last month via this video out of Toronto. This was not a random performance act.
And while the idea straddles the activism/performance-art line, it is obviously not the kind of enterprise for which busking permits were invented, but rather a clear political action and protected speech.
Basically the Market is like a bar; you dont have to be doing something illegal to get 86'd. It's possible a business owner simply thought that these guys were bad for business. Kind of a lame possibility, given what these two were doing, but still a possibility.
"Contact?" as in cops talking to citizens? That's not allowed now? Sheesh.
We should be encouraging cops to engage in conversation.
@10
That would make a great poster.
I'll hug you if you carry it in the market.
They can talk to anyone all day and I wish they would do it more. Asking for ID is 100% different.
If these guys were standing with their sign on the public sidewalk, the biggest questions are:
1. What was the legal authority and basis for asking for their IDs?
2. What was the legal authority and basis for threatening a ticket?
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egging it on
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with the bag
And just because one person says something, doesn't mean it didn't happen the way they said it did, particularly when it involves, in this instance, a LEO who has already demonstrated poor judgement in previously reported incidents. Given the ongoing history of over-response, harassment, & general escalation by SPD in their interactions with the public, this certainly has relevance, as it may yet be another in an ever lengthening list of examples of such abuse of authority on their part.
And FWIW, I think we're way past the point of needing to re-argue your premise. This is a blog, and they can print whatever they bloody well want to print.
I wouldn't say that the business owner would have to be a bigot to object. He could just think that these guys were weirding out his customers or something.
@31 I forgot about that! There is a "Speaker's Corner" right by the news-stand on 1st ave. People cant play music there, you are only allowed to deliver speeches. I've heard that it actually used to be a thing.
Awww..the lovely world we live in.
Kudos to the folks who spoke on their behalf.
Obviously nothing wrong with giving out "free hugs" but seems to me that there's something sorta "off" about it....just kinda trying too hard, kinda phony. I don't believe it.
Read the newspaper and see which religion is motivating murder.
These assholes came down specifically to incite and bother, and they succeeded.
Fuck 'em.
I don't care if they are Hare Krishnas or well dressed Mormon boys. annoying people in a public place like that just proves that they are douche bags..
As smarter people than I (Michelle Alexander, for example) have said, YOU CANT TRAIN AWAY RACISM AND HATE in law enforcement. You can only train them to hide it temporarily or cover for them when it comes out.
This isnt the last story involving Officer Christensen abusing a person of color. MARK IT.
I know right. Those cops were, like always, just looking for brown and black people to harass, and potentially brutalize, as we all know the SPD makes a name for itself doing (See: Officer Christensen, Officer Whitlatch, Officer Birk, Officer Cobain, Officer Dornay, Officer O Neil, Officer Pomper...the 128 Officer who wanted to sue for the right to racially profile and abuse by skin color....am I forgetting anyone else? Oh, the rest of the SPD)
...Oh wait, you were talking about the Muslim men. Way to troll Officer!
Ive been downtown THOUSANDS of times. Seen all kinds of random sign holders, street performers and artists, and just odd people. 99% are white. NEVER ONCE seen an SPD officer so much as second look them.
Yet, seen a black or hispanic ( and now apparently muslims) person doing anything, from minding their own business to 'street performing' is a 100% GUARANTEE that the SPD will engage, harass, threaten, and possibly assault.
But please, tell us all how "theyre just doing their jobs, all people of color are dangerous criminals...especially those not breaking any law minding their own business!"