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1
Yea right city council...what have you to show for your 12 years of trying to make the waterfront a nice place?
2
Didn't voters decide to build a monorail FOUR times by vote? Yeah. Means nothing.
3
So instead of a bunch of motorists being crushed to death in the next earthquake, we can lose a bunch of pedestrians and cyclists?
4
This is one the dumbest ideas out there. Those behind ought to be roundly, publically criticized as stoopid fucking hipsters. There was legitimate concern that the viaduct was seismically unsound; that it was an eyesore; that it cut off access to the waterfront. Let's not keep it up just so we can pretend that Seattle might be New York one day.

Anyways, we already have the "off ramps to nowhere" if people want to get their urban-dinosaur-cum-park on.
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@1: why don't you go down there and look at the seawall construction?

the monorail was completely realistic compared to this dumbest fucking idea in recent memory.
6
Totally confused here: Is the viaduct safe, or isn't it?

If YES - do nothing. If it makes financial sense to keep digging an "express" version of 99, awesome. If not, just stop.

If NO - take it down. Preferably now, rather than digging out its foundation first.

I'm HOPING the only situation in which we're even CONSIDERING this idea is one where SOME of it is unsafe and SOME of it isn't, and the unsafe stuff is unable to be fixed, but we could strategically remove the unsafe stuff and keep the safe parts... in which case... sure. Do that. Some millionaire condo owners get better views, others get access to an awesome park. All the millionaires see their assets appreciate.

Where's Dominic on this?
7
Oh for fuck's sake. Can we please just tear the goddamn thing down already
8
#3

Yes, this is the definition of Seattle Idiocy.

First claiming that the one structure that has withstood 3 major quakes is now subject to falling down.

Then create a catastrophic tunnel project (which has a side effect of damaging the Viaduct, something no earthquake did).

Then after tearing down an elevated structure (which has withstood 3 earthquakes) create a new elevated structure.

If at any time anyone else in this state thinks we should erect pillories by the hundreds, and firmly encase all the "leaders" of this burg within, I have a hammer and some nails.

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"So instead of a bunch of motorists being crushed to death in the next earthquake, we can lose a bunch of pedestrians and cyclists?"

Ok, so there's an upside.
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@8 It's cute that you think someone else on the planet is dumber than you. But of course you're wrong.
11
Oh my God, Seattle...this viaduct has needed to come down for 14 years and you're still farting around and doing nothing. Get your shit together.
12
Park this discussion please!
13
City Council cares nothing about what Seattle wants.

Just look at the Viaduct they tore down before 2012 or the Deep Borrowed Tunnel they never built.
14
I-123 Briefings on Thursdays at 10am and 2pm by appointment at 1427 Western. Please book a slot and get the facts.
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Honestly, I am up for anything other than the current 12 year old plan. The current design turns the waterfront into a soulless hipster tourist destination rather than anything of substance. Even leaving the waterfront "as is" aside from the seawall work would be better than the present "vision".
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Well, the council is always welcome to put their own vision of the waterfront on the ballot in competition with 123 to see which the voters prefer.
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This elevated park would be almost entirely on a new viaduct structure, smaller than the current highway viaduct, and completely secure from earthquake collapse. The big attraction along the waterfront should be the view, but the ground-level facilities now being proposed keeps most of that view hidden.

The elevated park is a creative and innovative proposal. The City's waterfront planners would be smart to simply incorporate this into their plans.
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@4, haven't paid much attention lately, have you ?

http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/se…
The state will start tearing down Seattle's "Ramps to Nowhere."
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I think the real problem is that leaving the viaduct up "contradicts and contravenes" the plans developers have to cash in on all the new "Sound view" property that will be created.
20
"Collective freak-out"??? Bullshit.

Quit trying to be post hoc relevant.

The Stranger is no longer news, and no longer belongs in the Seattle journalism narrative.
21
I am surprised and disheartened to read that The Stranger has bought into the lie that the Viaduct cuts the city off from the waterfront. The Viaduct is not a wall. You can get the waterfront very easily by walking, driving, or biking under the Viaduct.

The lie that the elevated roadway cuts the city off from the waterfront was started by the real estate developers that own and operate Seattle. Is The Stranger now allied with them? Is The Stranger now a loudspeaker for their lies? How sad.
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So first, it seems that anything not created by the Council or the Mayor, they just don't like. No matter what. So I'd take their objections with a grain of salt.

Second, I don't think this is like the Highline - it's more akin to the Brooklyn Promenade. It would mean a spectacular walking/biking space for this city and one that would allow easy access to Pike Place Market (if I'm understanding the boundaries correctly).

Funny how Seattle sometimes has so little vision.
23
It's a stupid idea, but I like the fact that it angers the same developers who pushed the tunnel boondoggle and helped kill the Monorail.
24
This is a horrible idea. It will never look anything like the highline, cant operate like the highline, wont go anywhere like the highline does, and will completely mess up the waterfront project that is ALREADY HAPPENING. Although I suppose that is the Seattle Process: form consensus and implement a plan, then when you are halfway done, rethink the whole thing and have to start from scratch.

Side note, I think its hilarious that people want a "highline" feature for Seattle, and their plan is to completely destroy a park being designed by the guy who made the Highline! He will do a great job. A better job than you. Let him do it.
25
I thought the whole point of spending billions of dollars on that stupid fucking tunnel was to get rid of that stupid fucking eyesore of a viaduct.

Much as I think the tunnel project is a complete boondoggle, the one and only thing I will look forward to is the demolition of the ugly blight of a viaduct. Preserving a chunk of it as a park sounds like the dumbest idea I've heard in many years.
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The argument that the Viaduct is a irredeemable hulking monstrosity that somehow divides the city from the waterfront has always been ludicrous on its face, but it is even more absurd that the city council doesn't have the power to override an ill-advised signature campaign in the light of obvious long-term public safety concerns. I suppose that we can take some small comfort in knowing that the heart of the Seattle Process still beats.
27
Anything that doesn't please the developers that have long pushed for the teardown and the tunnel disaster makes me smile a little. Here they campaigned for taxpayers to pay for all these projects that would massively increase their property values and now voters are trying to throw a wrench in their plans.
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@27 Totally agree with you Dan!

Surprised by the number of comments on here talking about how crazy it would be to "keep the viaduct" - no one is proposing that. If you read the article you'd have learned that the proposal involves building a new structure and only keeping one block of the existing structure.

If someone can explain how having an elevated park - which would provide increased waterfront view and space available to the public, at the expense of maybe blocking some of the view of rich downtown waterfront property owners - is a bad idea, I am all ears.
29
Not to mention the shadows that will still be cast, we need all the sunlight we can down there.
30
Yeah, why is the viaduct unsafe for automobile traffic, but OK for a pedestrian park? Silliest initiative ever.
31
why don't we spend the money to help the homeless problem downtown? After all, if we spend the money on more parks instead of helping the homeless none of us will want to go to the park filled with all of the homeless.
32

First claiming that the one structure that has withstood 3 major quakes is now subject to falling down.


Bailo, for the last time, this isn't a stupidity contest, and even if it were, you've got an insurmountable lead at this point; no need to run up the score.
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@30, I've been asking that for a while now.
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