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I think she will come out of this the poster child for anti-gay marriage.
Hell, all it might take is a religious declaration denying the legal system authority in the first place. That would be a huge time saver.
you can't do anything about her martyrdom - its coming no matter what.
I kid, SLOG admin. My grift is slicker than that. But not as slick as Kim Davis.
In the meantime, what's to keep people from creating new religions with all sorts of "sincerely held religious beliefs" like adultery or refusal to show up for work if it's nice out? Does the clergy really want to have the government determining what religions are legitimate and what aren't? That could create all sorts of trouble for the religious establishment, especially when it comes to taxes and competition.
But lo! The Bible is silent, SILENT I SAY, on the topic of aviation safety.
Ergo, I could say that God doesn't want me to ensure that every aircraft that rolls out of the factory is as safe as can be, and so I could go to work, but not do any work, and then sue the fuck out of Boeing when they rightly fire me for being a terrible employee. BECAUSE GOD SAID SO!
Enjoy your next flight, folks!
Don't do that.
::kid moves to do it again::
I said, Don't do that. Do you want a time out?
::kid stares back, thinks, then moves to do it again::
Okay, kiddo, you just earned yourself a time out!
::kid cries and wails with a sense of injustice and persecution::
It doesn't matter her reasons or imaginary sky friend. Toddlers have them, too. In this way, it is good that religion exists. It is not necessary for everyone to have religion to be moral, but for some people, it is. Miss Davis and her friends would probably be doing a lot worse if they didn't have Magic Sky Fairy looking over their shoulders, telling them to be good.
My underlying point is that participating in the most controlling religions, (evangelical, Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, etc) is a sign of emotional immaturity. Thus they should be treated as "special needs" folks. Nice enough, but not people you want to empower in positions of authority. I love the intellectually disabled folks. We have a guy in my town, he gets around great, he's friendly and nice, he likes things on his FB page like Chevrolet and Burger King. I don't want him as an OSHA inspector.
Same thing. They're nice, reliable, great people for working behind the counter at the gas station. They could even have their own set of Olympics. But belonging to one of those religions is a sign they're not mature enough to have a moral/ethical code of their own, like adults do. They shouldn't be in positions of authority or responsibility.
One other comment, so called "NALTs" ARE frequently working hard against this bigotry, but you pretty much never hear about, from ANY media (People supporting one another, that wont sell anything..) I know of a few local congregations that have worked very very hard FOR marriage equality (phone banking, raising money, canvassing when it was on the ballot here in Seattle, letter writing in support of other places). One is a founding member of the Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists, and over the protestations of the ABC regularly represents that group at annual meetings and was willing to lose their charter over it (ABC eventually relented). You never hear about these groups because (as stated above) the media never covers them. Ever. And before anyone says, well they should have advertised more, they did. Press releases to every local news outlet during the marriage equality campaign, plus their names on the support website. Still never reported
My church, Seattle First Baptist, is not mousy or near-complicit. On the first Sunday after SSM was legal in Washington, we held a group wedding for 25 same sex couples (http://www.seattlepi.com/local/connelly/…). We fully incorporate GLBTQ individuals into our faith community and proudly proclaim this both locally and nationally.
I understand what you are trying to say here, but please give credit where it is due.
I understand what you
1) Deal with it, suck it up, do your fucking job
2) Stick with your moral compass, and quit.
There, is THAT so difficult, disgusting backwoods bitch?
Part of the whole Flyover Jeebus ethic is the Big Victim Card. She'll clean up on the martyr-borscht-belt tour.
Unless she's a complete idiot, she knows simply issuing a marriage license does not mean she endorses it. A librarian will still let someone check out Atlas Shrugged even if they disagree with the philosophy.
She dislikes gays so she's using a flimsy excuse to try to get governmental authority to force others to adhere to her beliefs. Fucking grandstander. Throw her in jail.
Well, TPTB know that Davis, as a good, obedient, God-Fearing Christian, is going to tithe 10% from any contributions she receives (minus legal fees, of course), so they make bank anyway.
That's the beauty of organized religion: while it's just like any other Ponzi Scheme, with those at the top of the pyramid raking it in by the truckload, and everyone below praying - literally, in this case - for the little piece of Heaven promised to them in the brochure, it nevertheless possesses the unique exception that it's legal, tax-exempt, and pretty much immune to any form of criticism or rebuke. In fact, the more you point out the scam, the more the marks double-down on their bet.
Total sideshow guys. Why bother taking a political stand when you can get poor, worthless people to take the heat for you?
Aaaand now I'm off to bleach my brain.
Also, I agree that, Dan, you should slow down or have a proofreader look these posts over before publishing (or hell, edit them after publication). You write about a lot of serious topics, and numerous typos and grammar errors distract and diminish the importance of what you're writing about.
Yeah, it's just like how nobody takes Shakespeare seriously, because he couldn't seem to spell some words the same way twice. Hell, he frequently just made up words out of whole cloth when he couldn't think of a proper one to convey his meaning. Seriously, talk about lazy; how distracting and diminishing is THAT?
Instead, the court should find her in contempt, and fine her and the county a ridiculous amount of money each day until she starts doing her fucking job. Eventually the county will get tired of paying the contempt fine, and fire her ass for not doing her fucking job.
this is wrong, if I'm reading it correctly. She got knocked up by her third husband BEFORE she divorced her first.
I rather like your typos etc, then I am also a culprit.
“Democrat Kim Davis is among a handful of clerks who have refused to grant licenses to any couples in order to avoid handing them out to gays and lesbians.”
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/new…
I only point this out because Dan seems to have neglected to mention it...
You're apparently alike in nastiness.
I mean, if she were able to find Jesus and wipe away the sins of her previous (and scriptural-ly adulterous) marriages, then why not just touch base with the Big Guy at the end of the workday and get some forgiveness to cover her for all the gay marriage licenses she had to sign?
I only point this out because you seem to have neglected to mention it.
What does Dan want you to do? To convert to the One Right True theology, i.e. his, of course.
I do understand Dan's hostility toward organized religion. Nothing makes you feel better in the morning than the knowledge you are - legally - a second class citizen because of a religion.
progress
'I protest people like this and speak up for gay equality and always have. So no doubt will my kids. I dont understand what Savage wants us to do?'
Well, you could explain how and why you practice a 'Christianity' that ignores THOSE poisonous verses of the Bible. If you have a theology which doesn't depend on authority, and/or can refute Kim Davis and the Duggars, it should be your moral duty to reform and redeem those lost souls.
Otherwise you're just claiming 'sincerely held beliefs' and demanding that they not be challenged.
Step Two: Refuse to put bacon on things
Step Three: Hide behind my Judaism
Step 4: Internet fame!
The order to comply with the law came from a federal district judge. He stayed that order pending her appeal to the Sixth Circuit. He later clarified that unless the Sixth Circuit granted a further stay for the appeal, the stay would be lifted on September 1.
The Sixth Circuit denied the stay extension on the grounds there was no evidence that Davis was likely to prevail in her appeal. Davis requested that the Supreme Court order a stay, which request was denied by the full court.
What that means is that the order she's disobeying is still the district court's. And technically, since the Sixth Circuit has yet to rule on her appeal (I'm not sure they've even heard any arguments), the case is still live.
In other words, she needs to comply or be held in contempt of court. But there's no "final" judgment yet because there's still a live appeal pending, and if the appeals court panel rules against her (as they almost certainly will), she could still ask for the entire court to hear her case, or she could seek writs from the Supreme Court (none of which is likely to go her way).
Anyway, if you think Putin was secretly a Christian mole for decades as a KGB officer and is only showing his true beliefs now, well, whatever.
All is explained.
With that background, I think it's still fair to say that the reason for not pointing out that a given totalitarian leader is an atheist (though reasonable doubt has been raised as to whether Putin is such) is that atheism doesn't really offer or claim to inspire any particular behavioral directives; it is solely about non-belief in [G/g]od(s). Christianity, on the other hand, is a complete system of belief with attendant behavioral expectations (though various denominations clearly disagree as to what those are).
Is an offender being Christian relevant in all cases? No. You have two tax cheats, one Christian, one atheist; neither Christianity nor atheism strike me as fundamentally relevant. This isn't necessarily true of two homophobes who follow the same belief systems, because the Christian's homophobia is at least arguably tied to his her religious affiliation.
Forcing non-believers to convert to the "one, right, true theology" is pretty much the imperative of every major organized religion, with the possible exception of some milder forms of Buddhism.
You can't fire and elected official.
When NALT Christians tell LGBT folks that they're "not all like that" they're doing pretty much the same thing that guys who posted #notallmen tweets were doing: they are addressing a problem by objecting to the people who are discussing it. And that's not going to fix the problem.
NALT Christians are in a unique position to challenge the behavior of other Christians (just like straight people are in a unique position to challenge the behavior of other straight people and white people are in a unique position to challenge the behavior of other white people). Christians who are "like that" expect other Christians to agree with them (sorta like racist white people used to expect all white people to agree with them) so if they meet resistance from other Christians, that's not the same as meeting resistance from LGBT folks. And it means something different. It means they can't express their hate as freely as they thought they could without the expectation of negative ramifications.
I live in a very red state. I am surrounded by Christians every day. And I could count on one hand the number of times I have seen a NALT Christian push back against other Christians. But there never seems to be a shortage of Christians ready to stand up and say "not all Christians." After a while, it starts to feel like a lot of NALT Christians are really just concern trolls.
So... that's what I'd ask you to do. I'd ask you to respond to other Christians when you go into Christian spaces, both online and off. If you hear another Christian saying something shitty, say "hey, knock that shit off - I'm a Christian, too, and I don't think that's okay." And then talk about having done it. Draw attention to the fact that you're a Christian and you're not going to let that kind of toxicity from other Christians go unchallenged.
So there's that.
I know you view Dan askance, but while there are undoubtably homophobic atheists and oppressive officially atheist regimes I doubt you can find any one who opposes homosexuality because atheism forbids it.
So again, there's that.
@79 MiscKitty: Bless you! If more Christians--in deeply red states and elsewhere--thought like you, grandstanding "religious freedom" claiming nutcases like Kim Davis, Sarah, and Bristol Palin wouldn't make the news anymore or stand to profit from their bigotry.
I love you, Dan the Man---spot on again! Kim Davis really should be fired from the Rowan County clerks' office--and without any severance pay or unemployment benefits.
Were she being a consistent Bible thumper, she would have realized that, after divorcing three times, marrying four, and cheating on her first husband (with the man who would in time become her third) she is four times an adulteress (that we know of, that is) and should be put to death by stoning. Four times.
Why don't we submit a petition to the SCOTUS asking to legalize the public stoning of Ms. Davis? After all, we are as entitled to stoning her as she is to denying marriage licenses.
Of all the reasons to make fun of Mrs. Davis's position on issuing marriage licenses, nailing her as a hypocrite when she can easily dismiss the charge in light of her personal redemption seems like the weakest. It makes for a satisfying meme-graphic, but the charge is pretty stupid, and gives easy fuel for her defenders.
OTOH, her behavior could be motivated by a desperate desire for husband #4 to divorce her, since as a good Christian woman she may not be able to initiate divorce herself (as a non-Christian, I don't know the details on this). In which case, she's figured out a rather elaborate strategy with all kinds of side benefits.
Seriously, when will this wrong-wing extremist religious whacko bullshit end? I understand a supposedly big, corrupt GOP figure has Kim's adulterous, hypocritical back on refusing marriage licenses to same-sex couples at the Rowan County courthouse.
Dan, please deliver us from this corrupt evil!
My "imaginary friend" teaches not to judge others when we are imperfect ourselves, to hate the sun yet love the sinner and love our neighbours AND our enemies. I have several friends and family who believe differently than I do - including over same sex marriage - yet that doesn't mean that I have the right to judge them.
If certain business owners choose to make certain guidelines - say, they won't sell same gender cake toppers and won't allow you to bring in your own topper of any kind then you have the option of adding a topper later or choosing a new bakery. My brother and his wife were married by a justice of the peace this summer and shopped around for one they felt would give them the ceremony they wanted- why would you want someone who isn't 100% supportive to do your ceremony?
Anyway, I feel sad for those people like Kim Davis who allow hate rule their lives while professing to follow a dirty that proclaims Love.
This is actually the most convincing explanation I've ever heard for the tenacity of something that's clearly an illogical pack of lies.
The fact that the doctrine is popular does not make it any less ludicrous.
One would have been, Do Your Job! Period!
The other would have been to file her transfer papers to another office and clear out of the Register of Deeds if she has a problem with what she is hired to do.
But to send a person to jail for something like that, doesn't sit well with me. This should not even be news except the city it was in.
About all I see anymore is people who hate hypocrites being just that and people that are normally hypocrites being even more hypocritical. I donno, but if she stopped a persons right being in a position like that, normally that is a loss of a job, not the loss of a persons freedoms. Really just doesn't sit well with me.