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1
God work in Mysterious Ways.
2
I'm really glad the media, including THE SLOG, is onto this. This email proves what I usually expect with big corporations (including "customer-centric" ones): A single complaint from a consumer, or even multiple ones, are often ignored, simply because they can be.

I'm offended by this "glitch" and even more offended by their changing rationale (it wasn't originally a glitch, was it?) and attempts like this to dismiss consumer emails.
3
It's possible that some homophobic programmer set it up that way without any approval, at least not from the top.
4
I blame pirates!
5
I really hope it's the automatic complaint one. That sort of makes sense and doesn't completely piss me off, though they still should have checked it out. But I think it's something more nefarious... hey maybe we should shop in stores for awhile so they don't all go out of business....
6
Someone is claiming responsibility, stating it was a joke to stir up 'moral outrage':

http://community.livejournal.com/brutal_…

7
As someone who:
* is gay
* is a software developer for 15 years
* has made an inordinate amount of music purchases via Amazon in the past (because I couldn't find it at Easy Street, etc.)

..whom would I best contact to get a personal response to my "WTF is going on?" question to them?

I realize the request might be futile, or asking this here might be futile. But I hope I can be proven wrong.
8
I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
9
Jesus did break Dan Savage's computer on His holiest day of the year. Coincidence?
10
Damn -- there's the lot of wadded panties this fine Monday morning..
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@4 Yeah, that's gotta be it. Gays and Pirates, locked in constant struggle for internet supremacy.
12
@6 Thanks for that post.

It explains a good deal more than all the other theories.

If a lone hacker sought to demonstrate how knee-jerk reactionary outrage can be so simple to trigger...
well, it worked, I'd say.
13
"oh my god, this is amazing. I can't wait to see all the libtards' reactions when they figure it out"

Yes, the hacker claiming responsibility ALSO has a comments section.
14
And before we get started pointing fingers, let's just quickly review a definition that comes up here a lot lately:

credulous = "willing to believe or trust too readily, esp. without proper or adequate evidence; gullible"
15
uh, I'm going to go with option #1...Option #3 seems unlikely, considering Amazon, as a company, is gay as a picnic basket...
16
After hearing from people on the inside at Amazon, I am convinced it was in fact, a "glitch."

Well, more like user error--some idiot editing code for one of the many international versions of Amazon mixed up the difference between "adult" and "erotic" and "sexuality". All the sites are tied together, so editing one affected all for blacklisting, and ta-da, you get this situation.

The CS rep who responded that this was Amazon policy was just confused about what they were talking about, and gave standard boilerplate about porn.

The dumbest part is saying it was a "glitch". A "glitch"? Just say that it was one of your workers making an editing error. Really dumb PR move, that one.

Let me know if you actually want more details on how it went down, but it's pretty boring and technical.

md
17
I blame bacon. And ninjas. and lolcats. And other internet memes.
18
Silly Amazon. Everyone knows you don't need to placate the bigots- there's only book they'd ever consider reading, and even then they have to have it read (not to mention interpreted) for them.
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...there's only [one] book...
20
@6

Here's a rebuttal to that post. I don't think weev is responsible for this.

http://bryant.livejournal.com/672165.htm…
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If you want a personal, handcrafted reply to every complaint you make to Amazon, be prepared to pay for it.

Personally, I prefer the low-priced books along with a reasonable automated system.
22
ah, human error--comedy of errors. check out this book:
www.aegeanpublishing.com/phaser1.html
i highly recommend it to everyone. it helps to put these things in perspective. available on amazon!

i have a theory that the same impulse that drives us to believe in "intelligent design" is the same impulse that drives us to assume amazon did this deliberately and w/forethought. ha!
23
A "glitch" is probably the legal department's suggestion for a situation where they have no idea what the fuck is going on, but they need to provide responses to the thousands of emails pouring in.

The official "this is what happened and this is how we fixed it, our apologies" response is probably going to hit the main page and press releases first, and when it does get passed on to individual responses, it will STILL be a form letter, although hopefully better than the one above.

But definitely keep writing. Even if all the emails get automated responses and aren't read at all, someone's probably counting them. And hopefully that number will affect how the idiot responsible is reprimanded.
24
The 'we spotted a glitch' line is probably the dumbest part of the whole thing. Would have thought that with her experience and years at Amazon, Patty Smith could have come up with something better. Seriously insulting to everyone's intelligence.
25
Taking undeserved credit for a popular irritant is a fun idea. I call dibs on paper cuts.
26
@16: Having years of first-hand experience with the huge, opaque mess that is Amazon, I can totally believe this is what happened. It's a reasonable explanation of how it could happen and it's completely in character for Amazon. Their PR, customer service and account management people have no idea how to explain the "under the hood" stuff and they make weird changes all the time that affect things in a way they didn't intend and then they have to back those changes out of the system - and it does take days.
27
I blame [redacted] marriage.
28
What I don't understand: Why do they NEED to de-rank any books at all? Why is this system of censorship even in place?
29
Do you have any idea how big Amazon's database is?

Do you have any idea how many changes are made hourly to that database?

Do you have any idea how long it takes to find changes when databases are over a few terabytes?

They understand there's a problem, they're fixing it, let's let them be, we don't have to spend money with them until they fix it.
30
"What I don't understand: Why do they NEED to de-rank any books at all? Why is this system of censorship even in place?"

I don't condone it, but it's there so that when people search for things they don't find porn mixed into their results, unless they are explicitly looking for porn. That's why there are tags, and it is that system that a worker borked while editing.
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@30: Is there any chance of getting that complete explanation from you? I used to work as a manager of a taxonomy system for a large online publication, so there's a good chance I'd understand it. Right now it still seems a little implausible/deliberate.
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Hecht is publishing info I sent him. It's sourced from folks I completely trust, and makes sense with how I remember the systems working back in the day.
33
Annoying, but there's nothing I can do about it because I didn't shop there to begin with.
34
Mike - So why would Heather Has Two Mommies get tagged with sexuality while a Christian anti-gay book wouldn't?

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