(leaving aside the discussion of comic content) The local shops don't seem like this to me at all, of the one's I've seen. And while I'm at it, a shout out to the folks behind the counter at Arcane comics in Ballard.
@2 - It's not just the existence of sexy female characters. There's a huge culture there that reduces women to nothing but boobs and legs (or whatever straight guys are into these days). It's fine for people who want to read that to read that, but when the decor of the place is built around making sure women know that's all they're good for, that becomes a hostile environment. If she walked up to the counter, eyed the guy up and down, and said "Hey there, sweet set of balls. You got the newest [Comic Book About Sexy Guy]?" she would be way out of line, but it still would be a drop in the bucket compared to the long-running institutional hostility to women in the industry.
@3 - If they're good, maybe take the time to write them a positive review on Hater Free Wednesdays.
There's a woman taking her shirt off on loop on the sidebar to the right, so I don't know that this is the right venue to have a serious discussion about this kind of stuff.
@7 Just because The Stranger acknowledges, celebrates and profits off the fact that some women are sometimes perfect for that kind of stuff, does not make your argument that somehow it reduces women to only that.
Can't say that I have only had positive experiences in local stores, but any negative experiences were the result of other customers and not shop employees. S/O to Danger Room in Only, Zanadu on Third, & now defunct Paper Windows!
@10: It's pretty good in Seattle these days. It definitely used to be a problem in one of the places listed as a current shining example of excellence, but thankfully that scummy owner sold the business ~12 years ago and it is currently operated by some great people.
Local comic book shop in L.A.: I have a friend who wrote a series of graphic novels aimed at tween girls (a pretty clever concept, actually) which was published by a legitimate publisher.
Asked guy at local shop if they carried it: nope. Promised to buy the series for a niece, if they'd order 'em.
Said they'd call me when they came in, never did, never called.
Friend is lucky that librarians across country are hungry for tween girl manga, for that audience, but still...
While I agree that sometimes comic shops and fans can be a bit misogynistic, there is one major reason why more men then women go to comic shops: more men then women like comics.
I mean, no one asks why one doesn't see too many African-Americans at rodeos or why they don't see too many men at Jane Austin events. Certain things appeal to certain demographics.
But on the whole "he's-a-woman-hater-because-he-looks-at-hot-women-in-comics" opinion, I do have to say this: I also love gay porn, does that mean I hate men?
Come on, I'm getting jealous at completely straight guys for getting all the hate. Why can't I have some too? What, why don't the feminists flip out if I look at men not as human beings but as collections of cocks, balls and asses? (delicious, tasty collections of cocks, balls and asses that is.)
If the comic book guy is a "horrible dog!" for looking at comic book girls, then why can't I be a "horrible dog!" if I have a vast collection of Falcon studios movies on my hard drive? (no pun intended)
We men who like men are just as into objectification and dehumanization. What, we don't get to have any hate simply because we dehumanize men and think that they're only useful to look good and cum down our throats as opposed to dehumanizing women?
Comic book stores were once only basement shops and old dives with alley doors.
Like many of the punk scene record stores and adult stores, comics stores had the feel of being a dirt, little whole in the wall, which was puposefully not socially acceptable or mainstream.
As a young teen the musty, dark forbidden spaces added something to the experience that the newer stores in strip malls and shiny new shopping centers lacked. It's like the difference between hunting for a book in the stacks of an older used books store downtown as opposed to shopping at a Barnes & Noble in the suburbs. The space fits the culture.
Many of the guys that I've met in those spaces, though, have been decidedly adolescent, regardless of their age. Unfortunately, many of the men running the stores were as well.
As a young queer, I found some stores incredibly hostile to anyone who didn't fit the stereotype of being a hetero adolescent boy overcome with lusty porn fantasies...of course, most of the storylines were written or, at least, drawn for them.
My favorite shop was managed by a butch lesbian who scared the hell out of those sweaty, little shits that huddled in jerk circles in other stores. She introduced me to so many cool comics and characters that simply weren't carried or promoted at other stores.
Like any alternative culture space, though, you don't wait for them to change or extend you a welcoming invitation. You enter the space, struggle against resistance, and willfully add your unique identity to it. Fuck the assholes...it's your space, too.
My feminist viewpoint is that objectification is not always a problem in the real world or in comics and other artistic pursuits - Black Widow would be much less efficient at her job if she couldn't take advantage of being objectified. A problem arises when the depiction of any person or group is ONLY objectified. While you say that you view men as only useful for looking good and performing sexually, I don't think you really think that (and if you do, why do you read comics? Batman and Robin keep talking and never get to the good stuff!!). In this comic, it wasn't that she saw objectified women, it was that the primary portrayal of women was ONLY as objects, not as subjects who have real motivation and agency.
On a side note, the African-American Rodeo Group, Atlanta Black Rodeo Association, and various Jane Austen events might suggest to you that a welcoming environment can go a long way towards increasing diversity in attendees and participants of such events. While the mainstream culture can sometimes turn off perceived outsiders, a burgeoning community may be growing, unnoticed by the establishment.
Also, paul, come on dude are you kidding? There's a ton of female comic book fans and gamer girls where the hell are you hanging out? Get your ass down to gamma ray on a weekend, and rewrite this piece.
@3 - If they're good, maybe take the time to write them a positive review on Hater Free Wednesdays.
Asked guy at local shop if they carried it: nope. Promised to buy the series for a niece, if they'd order 'em.
Said they'd call me when they came in, never did, never called.
Friend is lucky that librarians across country are hungry for tween girl manga, for that audience, but still...
I mean, no one asks why one doesn't see too many African-Americans at rodeos or why they don't see too many men at Jane Austin events. Certain things appeal to certain demographics.
But on the whole "he's-a-woman-hater-because-he-looks-at-hot-women-in-comics" opinion, I do have to say this: I also love gay porn, does that mean I hate men?
Come on, I'm getting jealous at completely straight guys for getting all the hate. Why can't I have some too? What, why don't the feminists flip out if I look at men not as human beings but as collections of cocks, balls and asses? (delicious, tasty collections of cocks, balls and asses that is.)
If the comic book guy is a "horrible dog!" for looking at comic book girls, then why can't I be a "horrible dog!" if I have a vast collection of Falcon studios movies on my hard drive? (no pun intended)
We men who like men are just as into objectification and dehumanization. What, we don't get to have any hate simply because we dehumanize men and think that they're only useful to look good and cum down our throats as opposed to dehumanizing women?
Come one feminists: we need some hate too.
Like many of the punk scene record stores and adult stores, comics stores had the feel of being a dirt, little whole in the wall, which was puposefully not socially acceptable or mainstream.
As a young teen the musty, dark forbidden spaces added something to the experience that the newer stores in strip malls and shiny new shopping centers lacked. It's like the difference between hunting for a book in the stacks of an older used books store downtown as opposed to shopping at a Barnes & Noble in the suburbs. The space fits the culture.
Many of the guys that I've met in those spaces, though, have been decidedly adolescent, regardless of their age. Unfortunately, many of the men running the stores were as well.
As a young queer, I found some stores incredibly hostile to anyone who didn't fit the stereotype of being a hetero adolescent boy overcome with lusty porn fantasies...of course, most of the storylines were written or, at least, drawn for them.
My favorite shop was managed by a butch lesbian who scared the hell out of those sweaty, little shits that huddled in jerk circles in other stores. She introduced me to so many cool comics and characters that simply weren't carried or promoted at other stores.
Like any alternative culture space, though, you don't wait for them to change or extend you a welcoming invitation. You enter the space, struggle against resistance, and willfully add your unique identity to it. Fuck the assholes...it's your space, too.
My feminist viewpoint is that objectification is not always a problem in the real world or in comics and other artistic pursuits - Black Widow would be much less efficient at her job if she couldn't take advantage of being objectified. A problem arises when the depiction of any person or group is ONLY objectified. While you say that you view men as only useful for looking good and performing sexually, I don't think you really think that (and if you do, why do you read comics? Batman and Robin keep talking and never get to the good stuff!!). In this comic, it wasn't that she saw objectified women, it was that the primary portrayal of women was ONLY as objects, not as subjects who have real motivation and agency.
On a side note, the African-American Rodeo Group, Atlanta Black Rodeo Association, and various Jane Austen events might suggest to you that a welcoming environment can go a long way towards increasing diversity in attendees and participants of such events. While the mainstream culture can sometimes turn off perceived outsiders, a burgeoning community may be growing, unnoticed by the establishment.
http://www.comicbookgirl19.com/
Also, paul, come on dude are you kidding? There's a ton of female comic book fans and gamer girls where the hell are you hanging out? Get your ass down to gamma ray on a weekend, and rewrite this piece.