Columns Aug 20, 2009 at 4:00 am

Peace of Meat

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finally, a gay ass savage love.......
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Yea to a gay column!
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FIRST. Dan is the best
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i heart dan savage !
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Excellent advice to Minor. I know plenty of high school seniors who happen to be female dating young men in college. Also, where else is this young man still in high school going to find a confident boyfriend close to his age group? There may be other gays boys at his school but that dating pool has to be somewhat limited I would think.
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this column is so gay
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Excellent advice to Minor! I know plenty of high school seniors who happen to be girls dating young college men. Also, where else is this young man still in HS going to find a confident boyfriend close to his age? There may be other gay boys at his school but that dating pool would have to be pretty small I would think.
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damn, sorry!
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Great, honest, sympathetic advice to the first three. For the last, always good to have friends in...odd places.

Feh, you and your fear of girl bits...
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FYI Guys, Good 'ol Heavy, (or light, but heavy's better), Mineral Oil from the drugstore or supermarket is GREAT lube. It's natural and, I believe, organic. It's liquid Vaselene.

It's made for internal use as an oral or douche laxative, is tasteless, odorless, and smoother than most veggie oils. It's virtually hypo-allergenic. Also, it's VERY inexpensive, and works well for massage. It does not dry out, but does get absorbed a little. Just add a dab more. Did I mention it's tasteless and odorless...?

It's easy to apply, via a plastic squeeze bottle.

It's not recommended for comdom use, but is less destructive than veggie oils, and works great with toys. Once again, it's made for internal use. It's also easier for clean-up, as you may desire.

Hope this helps.

Love ya Dan!

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gbrooks, eh, I wouldn't want to use mineral oil on a regular basis because it's a petroleum based product http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-mineral-… and it seems as if all those plastics and petroleum doodahs are getting scarier the more those science types study them.

I used to put vaseline on my nose when I had a cold (tmi?) until my friend the ENT told me to stop because of the danger of lipid pneumonia.

ok, ok so your private parts aren't part of the breathing apparatus, so it might be perfectly fine. But still. Eugh.
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the lube recommended there should be "sliquid" not "sliguid"
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Dan...where do I find someone willing to share their wisdom, experience and cock??
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Dan...You rock!!! Just a quick qs - where do I find someone willing to share their wisdom, experience and cock?? hahaha
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whoops..sorry ;)
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From 6: "this column is so gay "

Oh yes, honey, and it's just Faaaaabulous!
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how i wish people would stop saying "first." especially when they're not. who gives a rat's ass?
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Coconut oil. All-natural and organic lube, semi-solid at normal room temperature (no spills), easily and instantly liquefies when warmed to skin temperature. It's worked just dandy for me and my partner for decades. I know what you mean about something being "too thin," but coconut oil is perfect, especially when he gives me handjobs. Oh, it's nice. Very nice. Used to be you could only get it in natural food stores, but it's all over the place now.

Now, it is a vegetable oil, and takes a little cleanup, maybe a little soap. But, dude, when men fuck it's MESSY. At the very least there's cum involved, which can wind up just about anywhere, and would you want it any other way? Cleanup, whatever it takes, is, as Dan would put it, part of the price of admission.

Bonus: It abbreviates as "coc. oil"
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Hmmmmm it smells an awful lot like ball juice this week

Bisous from France!

:0)
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LUBES might want to try 'Yes' it is completely natural and hypo-allergenic - trust me, I've had some bad reactions to seemingly innocuous water based products. It smells good and doesn't stain.
My only complaint is that it doesn't adhere to toys very well.
... Oh, and vaginal juices aren't to be afraid of .. although I prefer guys I've had a couple of girlfriends over the years and have caught myself musing on the convenience of a self-lubricating hole .. "it's almost like they were designed for the purpose .."
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Hey, "THIRD", try having something to say.
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Check out www.yesyesyes.org. Natural, eco-friendly lubricant, works wonderfully, tastes neutral or vaguely cinnamon-ey.
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"Seroconcordant" and "unguent?" This column was totally irrelevant to me (a straight dude who nonetheless doesn't begrudge you going back to the loyal base for a change), but nice use of some uncommon vocabulary!
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G is for Gay.
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i.e. the loyal base: pleasant and welcome column - things are getting rough in the country, you're a breath of well-deserved fresh air
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@24 re vocab. Totally. I had to look up both! :) Good stuff!
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I find it amusing that a typical column inspires tons of bickering in the comments, but, thusfar, this column has rendered only helpful or positive comments. Yay.
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@24: Unguent is one of my favourite words. Yay, words!
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FYI just once more. I thoroughly checked the link provided by commenter #12, and everything of substance seems to SUPPORT my position. (Legs up, knees to ears... lol!)

One more thing. The guy who invented petroleum jelly ate a TABLESPOON of the stuff EVERY DAY, and lived to nearly 100 y/o.

Now, talk about "self-lubricating"...

(Sorry ladies, it's GAY DAY!)
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To LUBES: I don't know if "condom safe" is on your must-have list, but my wife and I just started using Firefly Organic Lubricant. It's organic AND hypoallergenic, mostly made from Shea and Cocoa Butter. Stuff is hella awesome, tastes like nothing, and lasts FOREVER. Also, it doesn't feel gross on your skin, because it's really just high end lotion that you can use on your insides. You can use it for, say, foot sex and just leave the stuff on when you're done, and it just dries/absorbs like regular lotion. Good luck!
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To LUBES: I don't know if "condom safe" is on your must-have list, but my wife and I just started using Firefly Organic Lubricant. It's organic AND hypoallergenic (but NOT condom safe), mostly made from Shea and Cocoa Butter. Stuff is hella awesome, tastes like nothing, and lasts FOREVER. Also, it doesn't feel gross on your skin, because it's really just high end lotion that you can use on your insides. You can use it for, say, foot sex and just leave the stuff on when you're done, and it just dries/absorbs like regular lotion. Good luck!
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Oh! One more thing. I've been using Heavy Mineral Oil, and Vaselene as a lube for more than 40 years. (I've not found an "off brand" petroleum jelly with the exact properties of Vaselene.)

So far, so good...

I have tried other products, but these do it for me...

Peace
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This column is so gay.
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' "closest possible to a woman's natural vaginal fluids." I have two problems with this. Problem number one: eeewwwww. '

All I can say to that is: 'Santorum, EEEWWWWWWW!!!'

:)
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@11: "It's not recommended for comdom use, but is less destructive than veggie oils..." yeah, and its safer to shoot yourself with a .22 than a .38, but you should NEVER use anything oily around or on anything that will receive a condom.

@12: ENT told you you'd get lipoid pneumonia from vaseline ON your nose? You'd have to get it IN your nose, then it'd have to slide all the way down into your larynx and you not cough it up, and get into the air sacs deep in your lungs. If you're constantly high or have trouble swallowing, sure, avoid mineral oil laxatives by mouth, but vaseline on your nose is harmless. I woulda died from epistaxis skiing in Co. if I hadn't slathered my nostrils with it. It's like saying not to use gas in your car because you could burn your eyes with it.
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@36, So a couple that is in 9th and 10th, then 10th and 11th, and 11th and 12th grade together should break up when the older one graduates?? If he's cruising the high school parking lot for hookups he can manipulate he's a loser; if he's introduced to a compatible cutie who's a titch younger he's just a guy.
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i wish a nice college boy had picked me up from high school everyday - it would have been ace!
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@FLAP: Don't let this turn you off polyamory. I was a 'monogamy' kind of guy until I started hearing about all the (potential) benefits of poly relationships, and challenged myself over the reasons I thought I needed to be monogamous.

Poly still takes time (and sometimes effort) to get comfortable with, and it definitely takes people who are prepared to chill out and take things slow. Oh, and poly dating is no different to mono dating: Two months to a 'marriage' type relationship is WAY too quick.

If you wanna give it another shot, try to find a couple you click with and date them. Give it time, shop around, and keep your expectations reasonable: just like you would searching for a long-term mono relationship. And if you find the perfect mono relationship on the way through? Who cares if poly would have worked for you or not? Go for it and forget the whole thing.
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I'd be scared to death to be over 18 (particularly 21 or over, which this guy might turn soon) and date someone under 18. You make yourself vulnerable to all kinds of hostile legal heartache.

Sadly, you're even more vulnerable if you're either male or gay -- and he's both. I don't know where he lives, but if it's anyplace like where I grew up, that adds another scary level of vulnerability.

Obviously, people need to date based on their hearts and not their fears -- but he hasn't even been introduced yet. Why not seek out someone from the over-18 crowd?
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Three words: aloe vera gel. Thick and very lubey. I've only used it in a female butt, but I suppose it would work in a guy.
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Maybe it speaks too strongly about what part of the internet I come from, but last time I saw mineral oil + man bits it was not a pretty sight.

The stuff stings like all fuck when it gets into a cut, too. So, I have no idea why anyone would leap to "LET'S STICK THIS IN YOUR BUM!"
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that was gay-errific!
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Keep up the gayness :)
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Another lube meant for something else but works great for sex is Albolene, sold as make-up remover (Walgreens has it)in a white tub with a navy lid. Lasts, no odor or taste, great consistency. As for fears about petrolatum (lipid pneumonia???!!!) please-----good slippery sex is well worth what ever miniscule risk there is in petrolatum.......
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To MINOR: Try it, if it doesn't work due to age difference, break it of gently and nicely observing all camp-fire rules. Then keep in touch. I was the 18 year old college student who had off-and-on makeouts with my 16 high school punk rocker friend.... it's now ten years later and we're getting married in May. We were "just email buddies" for 7 years of that before we reconnected. Two years is no difference at all now. I can't say I planned it at the time, but it goes to show that thinking long-term can work out... *grin* And if nothing else, if you don't promise more than you can give (good advice for any relationship), and observe camp fire rules, you can always stay friends. Friends are good things, even if you don't end up like we did.
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Just signed up, sorry if this posts twice...
To MINOR: Try it, if it doesn't work due to age difference, break it of gently and nicely observing all camp-fire rules. Then keep in touch. I was the 18 year old college student who had off-and-on makeouts with my 16 high school punk rocker friend.... it's now ten years later and we're getting married in May. We were "just email buddies" for 7 years of that before we reconnected. Two years is no difference at all now. I can't say I planned it at the time, but it goes to show that thinking long-term can work out... *grin* And if nothing else, if you don't promise more than you can give (good advice for any relationship), and observe camp fire rules, you can always stay friends. Friends are good things, even if you don't end up like we did.
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If you're looking for an "all-natural, organic" lube, you'll find Super-Duper Name-Brand Sellin' Green Make You Feel Good about Your Earth-Savin' Self lube.

"All-Natural Organic" means nothing save from exciting words meant to sell you product. There's nothing else meaningful, scientifically, about those words. Don't be a sucker.
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Are we sure that when FLAP said that the gay married couple "invited him in" to their marriage, that he meant that they were trying ot make him a permanent partner? Maybe by "inviting him" into the marriage, they were just inviting him to be a temporary sex partner/friend/mutual confidante, ie, a flavor of the month.

It's possible, of course, that they were trying to turn their 2-person marriage into a 3-person marriage. But I'm not entirely certain that's what he meant.
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a leisurely spit roasting
nice. I love a leisurely spit roasting, especially if I'm the meat
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Gay column! What's the occasion, Dan?
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Dan, you are, without a shadow of a doubt, a breath of fresh air in today's world-gone-awry.
Keep up the good work! You rock!!
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Wal-Mart's house-brand ("Equate") jelly lubricant is great for anal play. I've no idea if it's 'natural,' but it works significantly better than the silicon and water-based lubes I've tried, include the perennial Astroglide. And it's about $1.50 for 4 ounces.
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Seconded with the coconut oil - hey, I have a vag, but it works just dandy up the back. Also, Hemp Body Butter from the Body Shop. Excellent stuff.

All those people recommending that Yes! lube... huh, I find it goes watery and then dries up in about a minute. I'm not going to buy any more. For girl-type lube, I prefer Sylk (natural kiwifruit extracts), or Probe (the thick one's good for butts too).
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LUBES - use Probe Rich & Thick. Natural, water-based, condom-safe, no taste, no stains and it will enable you to comfortably slide an SUV into any bodily orifice you choose once applied. Just fabulous. Also, because it's water-based, even if you're still going when it dries out (which takes a long time, so if you are/can, call me..), just a light dab of water and you're back in action.

Seriously - I've tried about twenty different kinds of lube and this knocks 'em all out.
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Dear Dan,

A little pussy would be nice for us hetro boys. All this 3way talk is exciting, but alas, I prefer a pussy to be involved in my 3ways. That is, I think I prefer pussy to be involved in my 3ways, but since I've never been in one and don't enjoy anyones penis but my own, I'm not totally sure.
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um.... foot sex? now I've heard everything :)
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"Vegetable oils aren't condom-safe, of course, "

They aren't LATEX condom-safe. Haven't you heard of polyurethane condoms. (Though the lefties would probably want to tax them.)
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@57
Dude - the podcast this week was a heterofest. I think he was making the written column a fagfest to balance it out for people like me who tire of pussy talk :P

That being said, what happpened to all the fun, kinky, fetishy podcasts and columns? I miss those :)
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So--girl bits. They may not do it for you, LUBES, but must you really publicly denigrate them? Disliking them doesn't make you any more gay than you already are. So why not be neutral--at least in a public forum?

Men, women, furries, diapers, meat hooks, sounds, whatever. Can't we all just tolerate each other?

Oh, yes, free speech, right. That's true. You can write whatever you like, or dislike. But you're equally free to lose my respect.

Dan--great column! I'll try all the lubes.
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I'm late to the party. Nice job.
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you threw in "seroconcordant". like it was nothing. well it isn't nothing. i think we need to step back and acknowledge that something lexically powerful just happened.
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I'm all for organic lube, but I'd be happy if I could find one that really holds up AND did not stain the sheets. My partner and I have been using Eros/Pjur. It's a great lube. It stays slick forever, but I'm so tired of finding more and more dark spots on the sheets that are still there after I wash them. Anyone have any ideas?

Michael
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Ya'all should try Maximus. Its the best damn lube ever....
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hey dan! i really enjoyed your ten minutes of undirected babbling at the beginning of the 8/25 podcast. you should do that more and/or have another podcast dedicated exclusively to your semi-purposive ranting.
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My mom and dad were great and always supported me, even though my sexuality was different than theirs.

My dad was a great dad, always interested in me, caring and supportive.
My mom was great too. But I was the ass hole in the family. Mothers and daughters in conflict is common is all kinds of families.

My mother and father are gay. My dad passed away when I was twelve and my mom is now married to a wonderful woman who treats me like one of her own.
And my mom and I are great friends now, that I've finally grown up.

My point? I don't have one. Just some people do get to be happy.
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Probe Thick and rich, excellent. the best of anything i've ever tried. it's not easy to find, but you can order it from http://www.davryan.com . They ship it and it gets to you fast.
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Jeeeesuuuus! (said the straight guy) I love you Dan.
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MINOR-
The "boy" will be a "man" in less than 12 months and fooling around now can cost you. How would you like a lifetime of being a registered sex offender? STAY THE FUCK AWAY! His dick isn't worth it.
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Gun Oil, IME, is the best anal lube in existence. And if it's good enough for our troops, it's good enough for everyone else.
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I find Vaseline erotic, in and of itself.
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About the coconut oil: I used it the first time I had anal sex and it worked great. Until I realized I was slightly allergic to it. If you are using vegetable based oils, make sure you don't have any food allergies!!!!
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I've been using the sliquid stuff for about six months; that shit is slammin'.
I prefer the booty formula, it works well for anal and vaginal. Also, there isn't any sugar in it, so it won't encourage yeast infections. yay!
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Even before I read Dan recommend Sliquid to LUBES, I was pretty much screaming "TELL HIM TO GET SLIQUID!" in my head. I sell a ton of Sliquid where I work, and I use it myself. Not only is it organic, but it's free of all the nasty stuff you want to avoid: DEA, gluten, glycerine, glycerol, parabens, PEG, propylene glycol, sorbitol, & sulphates. Now if that's not impressive, I don't know what is. It's about the same price as your average lube, and comes in a ton of variety, including booty lube, which they call Sliquid Sassy.

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