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Oh well. Keep on fighting your little battles over people's offensive costumes, dirdl.
Sure guys, let's be apathetic about Nazism, or its representation. My grandfather served in the German army during WWII, and I would not stand to see anyone try to glorify that truly wretched period of history by wearing a uniform that represents hate and genocide.
You're funny. Categorizing people in an effort to warn against the evils of categorizing people. Great stuff.
Also, @12: Please, bring up more mass murderer fuckwits. Stalin, maybe? He's always a favorite. It really diminishes how horrible the holocaust was.
... Oh wait.
pretty sure this guy in the costume got exactly what he wanted. how dare we not care??? ironically you're the one who's acting like a nazi. threatening violence over a costume, ON HALLOWEEN!!?!?!
welcome to planet earth. here's some homework; howard stern, marilyn manson, rush limbaugh, steve-o, 80% of all internet sites.....these things will shock you. in time you'll realize life is wasted on the angry.
next time you see this guy either a) engage in a rational conversation or b) walk away. try saving the world some other way.
what history history book did you get that from?
go blow glen beck you right wing retard.
Since when? Or are you trying to be coy by leaving out the millions upon millions of people Hitler killed in his war?
1. @ Everyone, stop trying to kill each other.
2. Agree on the fact that Nazis are idiots. And quit comparing genocides, all genocide is horrific, none is better than the other.
3. Yeah, the guy was an *sshole, an idiotic, ignorant *sshole. But (agreeing with 21) attacking someone over a costume is also idiotic, and will definitely make you look the part. There are too many things to get angry over, this is one of them, but he will get his. He's simply too much of an idiot not to get yelled at.
real as it gets, you officially have a fan.
Well, they should have their asses kicked at least..
You get your drama and leave vindicated, and Nazipunk fucks off with a shamed face, if not a dry cleaning bill.
An audience loves it more than a riot act being read, trust me.
Haters hating on haters - wow.
@37 for the win!
If you're comparing genocide, no one beats the Spanish Inquisition!
And your false equivalency just proves was idiots you are. Wearing a t-shirt w/ Mao on it is very different than dressing up in a uniform of the Red Guard under the Cultural Revolution. The latter *knows* who & what they're representing and doesn't have a problem with it. The former is probably another idiot using false equivalencies to support his weak theories.
At least there are some people who get it right: genocide is morally reprehensible. Doesn't matter who, doesn't matter when.
>I am sure you are really offended by people who wear MAO or Che shirts.
Never seen someone dressed up as MAO or Che. How the hell would anyone recognize them anyway?
>funny, no one gets pissy when people dress up as Christopher Columbus....
Probably because 1- nobody dressed up like Christopher Columbus and
2- If anyone did, nobody would know who the hell he was dressed up as.
Get real - everybody recognizes Hitler's image. Everybody knows people will get upset at seeing a nazi uniform - the douchebag in the uniform was obviously trying to upset people so why shouldn't people call him an idiot? Isn't that the negative attention he's looking for anyway? Serves him right.
In Germany you can get away with blackface in adverising, and in the US you can get away with an SS uniform as fetish gear. It's the circle of life.
SS uniforms look badass, anyway. Nazis had good style, what can I say? Doesn't mean I'm not proud that my grandfather killed the fuckers for several years of his life.
Assholes sporting Nazi or George W. Bush drag in American public places notwithstanding, is the correct response found in "honoring" their repugnance by "banning" their presence? This only serves to (I hate to say it) embolden their sense of indignation, thus empowering their mind-malleable, youthful recruits.
Is it not better to simply shun them socially, and focus on spreading a widely cast positive message of democracy, equality, historical accuracy, political tolerance, regardless of their seemingly ignorant and obsolete symbolism?
But now it's clear the guy took care to remove the swastikas AND his point (overdone and hackneyed as it may be) of equating GWB with fascism was pretty damn clear as well.
Oh, and throwing a drink in someone's face is assault. It plays well in 1930s movies, but that's pretend. Movies. Are pretend.
I merely pointing out that yes, Che and Mao t-shirts represent murderous dictatorships that committed more murder than the Nazis. I haven't seen any Pol Pot t-shirts or related clothing.
You are correct in that most people who wear those shirts are probably not fully aware of what they represent, which is basically what @12 was saying.
To anyone who understands anything about modern German history and culture, the glorification of the Nazi regime is perhaps the most offensive statement that one can make.
If you do not understand this, if you can only see the world from your limited American point of view, well, that is just sad.
For those of us who have a broader perspective of the world, we tend to agree with the author of this note.
Usually the letters are witty and smart.
This is just boring. Booo!
that's like saying you won't dare support Ted Bundy because he's a pussy compared to Gary Ridgeway.
It's not a competition. If you feel like you have a horse in THIS race, you are lock-uppable.
More importantly, I agree with 41: it's sad that the asshat in the uniform got all the attention and more that he was whoring for. Thanks, The Stranger!
@48: I give you - Snap Crackle and Pop.
@56/57: s'cool how there's a free drink policy at your work, but maybe stay off the interwebs after partaking. Missing a club there?
@59/62: so you're not creeped out by the fact it was an actual nazi uniform, a hard to get item: something they likely sought out, researched, scoured through nazi fansites (or nazi families that liked the uniform enough to KEEP it) to find and then paid money for?? The statement with GW's face = fine, which I think the OP said too. Free speech isn't being argued. But the message was creepy.
My question is : But was the private-collection vintage 'authentic Uniform', NOT COSTUME, appropriate? How bout this: how bout a vintage 1943 prisoner uniform, pink-triangle-on-yellow on the sleeve, complete with actual blood stains? How's that work for ya? Is it still "No big deal, it's just halloween"?
[Or are you going to try and compete again and tell me how chinese prisoner uniforms are much harder to get...]
Lord knows I keep my own vintage Nazi gear in sealed up in the kind of bags usually used for five-thousand dollar wedding dresses. Right next to the vintage camp uniforms.
@66--In fact, There's NOTHING (within bounds of community standards of body modesty) that's inappropriate for Halloween. That's the magic of it all!
If this world has to be tolerant, we have to change ourselves before we point fingures at others. Anti-Nazism isnt any less dangerous than Nazism itself.
Dirndl didn't mention the G.W mask, which means (1) They aren't observant (so we question the authenticity of the uniform), (2) was Drunk as a skunk and didn't realize it was a G.W jab.(again, we should question many of Dirndl's points) (3) The guy took it off before Dirndl saw it. -cause masks are hot (temperature wise, in a bar, hot damn the guy must have been dying) at which point, bad on the wearer's part for not flashing the mask when s/he started getting the stink eye from people.
So, in closing... Did I pass? OMG I need at least a C+ to graduate! *pitiable crying*
Isn't Big Bang Theory on tonight?
@66- Started off great (Snap, Crackle, Pop?!! Hilariously clever reference- true, too!) but run out of gas on the uniform. Genuine 'real' SS? Gestapo Sound of Music Badguy uniforms are worth, literally THOUSANDS of dollars now. None would be worn at a Halloween party, much less a 'gay' one on Capitol Hill. The writer does say it was real, but pfft- drunk, belligerent, ultra PC wouldn't know the difference between Heer (army) and SS (ultra Nazi badguys), anyway.
Most of the debate on here was interesting until the fact that the not only did the guy have no swastikas on his supposedly "real" uniform AND a GW Bush mask on. Um, that would've be a pretty nice fact to know before all of it, but I guess then it would've been moot- BORING.
I'll tell you though: I laughed at this I, anonymous 'cos this was my exact same costume this Halloween and one dipshit DID try to get froggy with me over it. I must also mention I'm 5'7" ,skinny, long greasy hair, tattoos and bullshit. Hardly the pic of an Aryan, eh? Retard. Yeah, it's HALLOWEEN, dude.
Yes, the Holocaust was a REALLY BAD THING. We must never forget it. So this guy reminded you. Get over it. Look, I probably lost many ancestors and relatives I'll never know to Hitler's army. But it's done. Nothing I can do about it except try to prevent that kind of intolerance and horrific violence from happening again.
And now here comes this guy, threatening PHYSICAL VIOLENCE against another guy who's just wearing an offensive costume!!
I wonder if he would want such costume wearers rounded up, "concentrated" if you will, into camps, you know, where they will never offend again. Would that solve the problem? Huh?
In the circle of life, it's amazing how quickly (and often) the victims turn around to become the oppressors.
Since when? Or are you trying to be coy by leaving out the millions upon millions of people Hitler killed in his war?
Uh, google "gulag", "Stalin" "Mao" "Cultural Revolution", "Pol Pot", "Killing Fields"
Fact is, the Communists killed up to 100 million people in the 20th century through mass executions, imprisonments and slave-labor programs, policy-induced famines, and war-the Soviet Union could have made short work of the Wehrmact had not Stalin purged the Red Army of competent leaders in the 1930s. They lost 37 million people in WW II. And yet Communist iconography is somehow not offensive!
Since when? Or are you trying to be coy by leaving out the millions upon millions of people Hitler killed in his war?
Uh, google "gulag", "Stalin" "Mao" "Cultural Revolution", "Pol Pot", "Killing Fields"
Fact is, the Communists killed up to 100 million people in the 20th century through mass executions, imprisonments and slave-labor programs, policy-induced famines, and war-the Soviet Union could have made short work of the Wehrmact had not Stalin purged the Red Army of competent leaders in the 1930s. They lost 26.6 million people in WW II. China lost 20-30 million during the Great Leap Forward-induced famine in 1958-59. They lost another 750,000 to 1.5 million during the Cultural Revolution. The Pol Pot regime in Cambodia killed 1.4 to 2.2 million. Two and a half to 3 million people died in the North Korea famine of the mid Nineties-10% of their population! And yet Communist iconography is somehow not offensive!
Thank you, that is a point others have tried to make. Prepare to be accused of defending Hitler now.
How are you any different from all the muslims in middle-east protesting, rioting and killing against the cartoons published in Danish newpapers ?
Um, because he's not rioting and killing. HUGE difference.
Furthermore this Mohammad cartoon didn't make fun of murdering Muslims or Arabs. I have to agree with a previous post- someone dressed like the KKK would not be defended.
"Your dressed as DRACULA, do you know how many people Vlad The Impaler killed?"