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Avast, thank you for also nuancing your sentiments better, I apologize for my language. I wasn't trying to "make things up", it's not very clear from your original posts what your household composition is. I don't do extensive background checks on other slog posters, because...that would be uber-creepy.
I'll admit I was projecting a bit.
I'm glad you're a thoughtful husband and parent. The world need more of those.
I think it would be better to leave it gender-neutral at: "don't want to be a parent? don't have sex." Throw in either gender and it's loaded. And honestly, looking at the very recent history of humankind, it was less than two generations ago that women and their wombs WERE viewed as their men's property (whether that meant her father's to marry off or her husband's to use and abuse), it was still not within her prerogative to determine her own reproductive fate. That's why this is still a touchy subject. Girls today may not realize how tenuous this change is, and in fact it is under attack politically. Current events!
But yes, hurry up and invent an artificial womb, for the sake of those daddies that want the baby without the mama. Then we can REALLY argue about child support.
http://www.vasectomy-information.com/art…
p.p.s. unless the asshole lied about it in the first place.
I require pretty steady rhythmic motions in and out of the mouth along with somewhat strong pressure from the tongue and roof of the mouth. That motion is generally provided by my wife's head moving up and down, but to the extent she can accommodate my thrusting, that is very nice as well.
I have personally never found eating pussy to be difficult. All it really requires is basic knowledge of what the clitoris likes and a willingness to observe the woman to see what she likes.
I have never sucked cock, but what my wife goes through seems to me to be more challenging that what I do. There is a danger in eating pussy of tongue exhaustion, but a moistened thumb can pretty well take over in that case. Pacing oneself, and only applying the strongest pressure right before and during orgasm goes a long way to not wearing out.
In relating the tips at 84, I was thinking about a woman who gave me the best Blowjobs of my life and her technique. I'm not circumcised although if I were then I think the lots of saliva idea would be even more important. In my experiance, the wetter the better. This particular woman would fuck me with her mouth (as in no thrusting on my part so not hurting / gagging her)while holding /stroking the base of my shaft in unison with her furious bobbing. She always maintained powerful suction too. To me, her agressiveness was a big turn on - as in "wow, she really likes sucking my cock!". So hot!
It seems to me that she should consider herself to be having PIV sex for the purposes of assuming birth control. After all, did I miss where someone created a new definition where 1" in isn't fucking, but at >=2" in, she is magically no longer a virgin (for whatever that's worth?)
Now some say "wah I found out when the kid was 7" Yes, and in that case it's about the child and their right to not be abandoned by the only father they've ever known, tho any man who would do that is one the child is better off without.
That thought will be exceedingly comforting to the 1:1000 marginally fertile woman that has an "accidental" pregnancy from unprotected sex. Women have been known to get pregnant while already pregnant, so to hope for infallible normalcy from a biological system is ... naive. Why argue against contraception???
Peace.
Here's the planned parenthood advice on the question:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-…
A woman has a chance of her egg joining a sperm about seven days of every menstrual cycle.
This includes the five days before ovulation.
It includes the day of ovulation.
It also includes the day or two after ovulation — even though it's less likely to happen then.
Are we going to talk about oral sex technique on women now?!!
(Droool)
Peace.
You say you don't understand why he's doing this "probing". Well, he's doing it to test your boundaries: Does "no" really mean "no"? The next time he may just start fucking you without warning. Or, even if he doesn't do that, he could prematurely ejaculate and still drastically increase the risk of pregnancy.
P.S.: You are no longer a virgin, no matter what you or he have convinced yourselves of. But I suggest that for your first consensual intercourse, you choose a more respectful partner.
Oh please, Seattle's full of 'em. His sarcasm is meant with some amount of love, or else he'd move out of the city.
"Your time as a columnist is obviously coming to an end. Let the positive young talent just take over, as it is inevitable. /end rant."
Oh yes, Savage is the drama queen. Indeedy.
The probing you're experiencing? That is him trying to trick you into having full sex. Once he gets away with probing so deep, he'll move to probing a leetle bit deeper, and eventually he'll probe deep enough that you might as well just get on with it and have full blown sex. Probably without you getting asked first.
That said, as others have pointed out, you are now no longer a virgin in the PIV sense. Hymen breakage or not, even if it was just the tip, even if he only did it for a minute and wasn't thrusting and grunting and blah blah blah, you've had a penis in your vagina.
At this point, I would suggest dumping the arsehole and finding someone GGG about exploring sex with you at a rate that is comfortable for both of you.
Huh? Unless a woman has a double uterus, how the heck can she get pregnant again when she is already pregnant?
Apparently, it's possible.
@93:
Why would you feel compelled to questions avast2006's love for or ability to be a good father to his children? I hope you either aren't a parent or have never been criticized for your parenting skills/abilities by a total stranger who knows nothing about you!
And as it happens, your statement "While it's in the womb it's a parasite on the mother and she can choose to evict it at any time, if men have a problem with that they can hurry up and invent artificial wombs for gestation" is not only insensitive and ignorant of biology (look up "parasite," why don't you), but it is ignorant of abortion laws. Even in its earliest days, with the least restrictions, Roe v. Wade didn't give women to absolute right to an abortion for any reason at any point in the pregnancy prior to birth.
Please each partner by learning his prick's particular preferences :-)
For the record, blow jobs lead to penetration too. Just get on the damn pill already-- it oughta be mandatory.
@117: It depends on the state: not all states have that waiting period and it varies from state to state. If you didn't find out until after the period was over, it's paternity fraud, and you can (in some states) be relieved of your obligations if you immediately terminate all connections with the kid and stop assuming a parental role. It's critical that you do this if you find out the kid isn't yours -- make it clear that you consider yourself a victim of fraud and not a father -- because some states have forced men to pay child support when they didn't immediately abandon the kid and stop being a dad!
Girls are in the more vulnerable position (stereotypically speaking) -- where despite the monthly reminders of how their body works, and what the consequences of sex are, they also are at an internal war all the time that guys DON"T DEAL WITH.
Culturally bombarded by imagery and products telling you that 'pleasing the guy' is a priority (I don't think I need to point out how our culture does this)... then being pressured by the guy you like who doesn't want to wear a condom, a teenage guy with his testosterone going... while your horny too... and having to fight both the emotions and cultural messages and chemistry, to do what you know is right for your body, despite what it's telling you....
This is why girls mature faster than boys.
And why the message needs to be stated to boys in strong language... to break through the testosterone and inspire some manning-up.
Whereas you do Not need to berate girls, because they've got enough internal struggle going on on the matter. Encouragement and empowerment like Dan gave -- YES! But there's a lot of factors at play for the sexes when it comes to this, so it's not so black and white/hypocritical sounding as Avast wants to paint it.
In the Netherlands, a father is accountable for child support if he was living with the mother in the six months before the baby is born or if he asserts paternity. Abortion and birth control are also universally and easily available. A pregnant woman knows what her expectations are wrt child support and can make decisions accordingly. (I’m not sure I have this exactly right, but it’s something along these lines.)
I’ve always liked this approach. It feels fair to me and treats everyone as an adult.
In terms of the "probing" question, I do think there's something else to be said that hasn't been mentioned. Probing is such a tease, as several commenters note, but some women really, really enjoy the opening of the vagina being stimulated, it's pretty sensitive and can feel awesome, and some men really, really enjoy just the tips of their cocks being stimulated. Now, it's certainly highly likely that your lame bf is just trying to pressure you into having sex NCWTD, and you should as Dan advises, stand up for yourself there. But, it's possible he also just enjoys the stimulation probing provides, and perhaps you're feeling a little guilty about it too because you enjoy it too. Let's just say, I was in a very similar situation in high school (26 now & I'm female) and my bf was not an asshole and we had talked lots about losing our virginity to each other and when we wanted that to happen. But he kept jumping the gun and probing and well, when we finally talked about that we realized he was irresponsibly doing it and I was irresponsibly not stopping him because it just felt really, really good for both of us. But you know what is largely harmless? Him probing you gently around that opening area with his fingers and/or tongue (try tongue, wooowee it's awesome), and you playing with just sucking on the tip of his cock (best starting when he's completely/mostly soft as in my experience most guys' heads are too sensitive when they're rock hard to take focused stimulation on just the tip). It's easy for both of you and fun and as long as he's not probing you with fingers that have recently touched his pre-cum/cum (wash w hot water and soap & problem fixed!) there's no risk of pregnancy. There is still a risk of STIs so be careful about that though! Get yourselves both tested and stay monogamous if you want to keep playing bare-back, or learn to use condoms/barriers now, your later partners will thank you.
Use condoms every time to protect against disease -- 'virgins' can have STDs if they are calling themselves virgins because they haven't had PIV yet. (Or had PIV with an abuser/rapist so it doesn't count.)
In other words, you are only 16, and just not quite ready for the full monty. You might be ready in a week, a month, or a year, but I don't think you'll ever feel 100% comfortable with this boy, and you should DEFINITELY feel 100% comfortable, all the way down to your toes, with anyone you're having sexual fun with. Trust me, it makes sex SOOOOO much more interesting when you're on the same wavelength with your partner.
Also... I have adorable twin nieces who were pre-cum babies. Just sayin'.
Superfetation is the condition of having multiple simultaneous pregnancies of different fertilization times. (Hey, I didn't write it.)
Peace.
My experience this year is that there's a lot of variation. BDSM'ers in particular often like throat-fucking, sometimes to the point where it's a breath-control thing.
Dan: You sound like an old man about the earlobes. "And those tattos and baggy pants! Why in my day, we ... and get off my lawn!"
I'll go out on a limb that will get me in trouble with some feminists and tell NCWTD that at her age, she ought to be pursued. By that, I mean that her boyfriend ought to be so thrilled that she's doing anything sexual with him that he's willing to make all the first moves. If he eats her, it ought to be because he adores her, wants her to feel pleasure, and just plain wants to. If she's so happy that she wants to blow him in return, that's an extra bonus that should happen when and if she wants. It's different when you're older and know what you like. At 16, it's important to feel comfortable at every step. To feel a little scared is normal enough, but overall, you ought to feel pleased.
Same goes for the probing. All she says is that it worries her, not that she enjoys it. Not wanting to engage in probing because of fear of pregnancy gets one set of advice. (Get birth control as many above have said.) Not wanting to engage in probing because you're not into it gets a different set. (Dump him as only a few have said, or at least get a lot better at communicating what's wrong.)
Need help with the definition here. Doesn't a blowjob imply that the male comes? Up until then isn't it just cocksucking?
Or is any mouth-penis contact a blowjob?
I was taught that the way to get around the teeth issue was to.... this will be tricky to describe in text. But to basically have your lips covering your teeth so that you can actually use your teeth to get a firm grip without any teeth-penis contact.
The person who taught me that is gay and sort of made his living that way.
So I took his advice. I get positive reviews.
As for the hipster ears, well not only is it ugly, but rather permanent (without surgery) as also with the tattoos. Obviously, ten years from now, they won't be so cool (remember eyebrow rings, tribal armbands, and trampstamps?) so a little foresight from an older guy to the younger is nice.
As an older tattooed guy myself breathing sighs of relief at never having my hands and neck done, I shudder at what all these kids are going to be going through later on in life; majorly bummed, dude.
Situation #1:
Dan, I nominate you for GOD of Sex Advice.
Please accept.
It seems hypocritical to say what others can and cannot do with their bodies in terms of looks, but to have an 'anything respectful goes' attitude towards sex. A tattoo is not very different from a boob job, rhinoplasty, or getting your hair done. Ears can be reconstructed and piercings taken out. Tattoos can be removed. Hair grows out and can be cut, and nails repainted. It's the same thing - expression. Implementing a line for people not to go is bigoted. Everyone has control over their bodies, and we should all respect the aesthetic choices of others. Most of us modded folks get modded for OURSELVES - not for you. Not for your approval. Not for anyone's approval - just ours. What a concept!
On a similar note, tattoos and piercings are fetishes for a lot of folks, which is why you see a lot of tattooed/pierced couples with tons of mods, or, in my case, one partner with lots of mods and the other who looks like the squarest (but cute) accountant you've ever seen.
It seems hypocritical to say what others can and cannot do with their bodies in terms of looks, but to have an 'anything respectful goes' attitude towards sex. A tattoo is not very different from a boob job, rhinoplasty, or getting your hair done. Ears can be reconstructed and piercings taken out. Tattoos can be removed. Hair grows out and can be cut, and nails repainted. It's the same thing - expression. Implementing a line for people not to go is bigoted. Everyone has control over their bodies, and we should all respect the aesthetic choices of others. Most of us modded folks get modded for OURSELVES - not for you. Not for your approval. Not for anyone's approval - just ours. What a concept!
On a similar note, tattoos and piercings are fetishes for a lot of folks, which is why you see a lot of tattooed/pierced couples with tons of mods, or, in my case, one partner with lots of mods and the other who looks like the squarest (but cute) accountant you've ever seen. You may not be into it, but other consenting adults can be and are. Deal with it!
So what I proposed was that if NCWTD made the choice to have the child, then the boyfriend, if he so pleases, should be able to choose whether or not to pay child support. He should be able to have a say.
First things first, "I get good reviews" isn't exactly what I would call... let's say "DARE" level bragging. I was just sayin'. Certainly not as much as "I'm pretty good on blowjobs" from 97 (no disrespect!)
Second of all, being in a monogamous relationship doesn't mean that's the only person I've ever been with in my whole life.
Third of all, I'm not going to argue with you as to the existence of my talents. My comment was not for your benefit, it was more for people who have trouble with the teeth thing.
Love your column, Dan, but WTF on that line? Yes, I guess it is physically trickier-but as a straight woman who fooled around in the distant past, eating pussy was boring and frustrating. No offense,Dan-just seems odd to have a gay man extolling pussy eating over giving head.
Now, on the issue of equal pay, yes-her BF definitely deserves fair play-her smokescreen of worry about giving poor head doesn't ring true. Almost any straight guy would be delighted to help a teenaged girl practice/improve oral screen.
Actually, it's like this:
When it comes to matters of pregnancy, a man gets one vote, because it's his sperm. A woman gets one vote, because it's her egg. A woman gets a second vote because it's her uterus. Two votes trump one.
Basic ethics applied to a situation that, I'm sorry, cannot be perfectly fair. If the man could opt to carry the child if the woman doesn't want to, there'd be no problem. If we didn't live in a capitalist society and/or children could count on being supported by their community, rather than parents, there'd be no problem. But at the end of the day, it's IMPOSSIBLE to give the man any power in this decision without taking all power from the woman, and that's just obviously lopsided.
So the folks who go around saying, "Oh, the poor menzes!" just haven't really thought this through.
Child support, BTW, is based on the idea that it's the CHILD's right to be supported by both parents, not anything to do with a woman's rights.
I know it's hard to see, especially in your first relationship, but even if you aren't going to break up with him you need to start laying down the law a bit more and be firm with him.
That simply isn't true.
If, during the early stages of the pregnancy, the man were to say "I am not ready for this/cannot afford this/do not want this" for whatever reason, and he was allowed at that point to surrender his interests, the woman would be able to make her own decision: do I carry to term, knowing that not only could I have exercised my right to opt out, but that the man already has exercised his right to do so? She has retained every single one of her OWN options. The only option she has lost is the one where she makes HIM pay for HER decision to continue the pregnancy.
I'm not claiming that the man opting out of fatherhood does not represent a pressure on her decision-making process. (But it is only one pressure out of many on her decision. Money plays just as big a part when dad stays around but is unemployed, or poor.) But to say that giving him that option takes away ALL of her options is simply incorrect.
"Child support, BTW, is based on the idea that it's the CHILD's right to be supported by both parents, not anything to do with a woman's rights.
Child support is for when there is an actual child to support. I am talking about decisions that get made before that child exists. (I trust you not an advocate of personhood-at-conception.)
"So the folks who go around saying, "Oh, the poor menzes!" just haven't really thought this through.
Heh. Thanks for proving my original point.
I have looked into planned parenthood time after time, there is none in my town, or the ones surrounding mine...
The closest one is an hour away and I have no way of getting there.
I am not on birth control, but I do have condoms.
As for peer pressure, I'm homeschooled.
Don't ask me, I'm just a girl!
jill
http://inbedwithmarriedwomen.blogspot.co…
If he's probing you without your consent, he could go balls deep without your consent, in fact, it's very likely to happen. If you want when you lose your virginity to be a decision -he- makes for you, then by all means, continue to let him probe you until he gets "carried away in the moment" and starts thrusting.
Now, about the pregnancy/choice thing, combined with him putting his un-covered dick inside your vagina. He is going to get you pregnant, and he's going to give you hell if you try to do anything about it. There are guys out there who use pregnancy as a means of controlling and emotionally abusing their girlfriends. He might not be this guy, but make sure you're not lining up for this shot. Go to Planned Parenthood and get on birth control that you don't have to rely on him for, and don't tell him you're on it and make him wear a condom! It might be that your love is for the ages, and if so, mazel tov, but in the likely chance that it isn't, you might find out that he's more a player than you believe he is now, and you need to make sure you're safe.
Reading between the lines of your letter, you sounds like maybe you're not comfortable with the level of sexuality you're currently in, which is OK! You're only 16! There's plenty of time to get this shit together and do what you like when you're comfortable! I might suggest you keep your clothes on with this guy, or observe a strict "only one person has their underwear off at a time" policy until you feel a little more comfortable and you can trust this guy not to probe you. In the meantime, if you haven't acquainted yourself with the online feminist comminity (scarlateen, feministing, feministe, pandagon, etc), check us out. You -can- feel comfortable and in charge of your sexual experiences and there's nothing wrong with that!
It would be nice if people knew to say "That disgusts me," rather than "That is disgusting." Subtle difference, but it tends to preempt the whole argument about "Well, for _some_ people it's perfectly fine, so you shouldn't say that."
Since it sounds like he is getting awfully, ahem, excited when you guys fool around, you will have to be the one to put the brakes on when he is going to far or too fast. It sucks, but like a lot of people have already mentioned, you will bear a disproportionate part of the burden if you get pregnant. (Heck, I'm pregnant and I want to be, but its not what I would call fun....) Buy some condoms, if he wants to get his penis near your vagina, he needs to be wrapped up. THIS DOES NOT MEAN HE GETS TO PUT IT IN! Sex is a ton of fun, but you need to be ready, and from what I am reading, you aren't yet.
If he doesn't respect your "no" or "not yet," you need to stop playing around with him until he does. Be smart! Be safe! Have a ton of fun :-)
I'm sorry to hear there's no planned parenthood in your town. But there are other ways to get more reliable birth control (condoms are great, but you should combine condoms with another form of birth control to avoid any accidents). Can you talk to your mom about birth control? Remember, she was once 16 herself, and she doesn't want you to get pregnant either. Or is that unrealistic given your relationship? How about your doctor? Can you get to the doctor by yourself, and trust the doctor to keep your conversation private?
If there's no way for you to get hormonal birth control, you can learn to track your own fertility, NOT by counting days since your period, but by tracking your temperature every day with an ultra precise thermometer, and combining that with examining your cervical mucus to see if it's stretchy, slippery and wet-feeling, like egg white.
http://www.yourcervicalmucus.com/2010/08…
You can make condoms a lot more effective if you also only have sex when you're pretty sure you are not fertile. (The other days you can stick with oral and mutual masturbation :-)
I also do hope you'll read the article at
http://www.scarleteen.com/article/pink/a…
http://www.fwhc.org/birth-control/fam.ht…
On a side note, wonderful job this last Wednesday speaking!!! Loved your lecture/stories!
Yes! Agreed.
There are three kinds of guys my age with beards.
1. I'm so excited I can grow facial hair!
2. I'm too lazy to shave.
3. I'm a hipster douchebag.
None of these are sexually appealing.
I'mma have to disagree with you.
Sorry.
But I remember highschool pretty well. It wasn't super long ago for me. And I do remember several people (of both genders) being somewhat pressured into things that weren't for them. Yeah, most of them were female. But I think the point that a lot of people are making is that instead of "erring on the side of blowjobs" as Dan said, we should "err on the side of not engaging in sex activities we are doubtful of our comfort level with".
Less catchy, though.
Even though I'm an incredibly sexist individual, I'd still have a similar response to a male LW who wrote in with a similar letter. Personally I was pretty promiscuous at that age but I have pretty much no regrets because I also had a very well established set of boundaries and I had no problem saying "no" even if it made me, as you say, a "Mean Girl".
I would encourage any 16 year old girl or boy to do the same.
As for the conflicting advice about whether or not you're being pressured or hurried into penis-in-vagina sex (I think you are), whether you're being blackmailed into blowing him (I think you are), whether you should dump him (I'm not sure), naturally you're going to consider everything you read here. When you're thinking about it, consider the sex of the poster giving the advice. A grown straight woman who remembers what being a teenage girl was like, or a straight man who remembers what he wanted teenage girls to be like? Someone who's thinking about what seems to make logical sense, or someone who's considering all the conflicting feelings of the first time.
And read the article that Erica P. recommended. It's really good.
I must have missed that. People were dehumanizing the LW's boyfriend?
But I will say that unless I'm misunderstanding you, you seem to be suggesting a post-sexism world much the way a lot of conservative people like to pretend that we're in a "post-racial" world.
We aren't. And while I think that (especially in the States where I'm assuming most of you are from) racism is a way bigger problem than sexism... experiences are still very different for teenage girls than they are for teenage boys to a degree that I think you're downplaying.
I don't believe in putting down or dehumanizing teenage boys... but I do believe in calling someone a jerk when they're being one.
Though crinolene may have missed the mark on what your teenage experience was like... she may have still hit a grain of truth in that... you weren't a teenage girl and didn't experience the struggles that came with that. You dealt with very different ones. Your entrance into un-virginhood was presumably a happy consentual one and etc
It worked for Dustin Hoffman.
In the opposite situation, the "I suspect she only sucks his cock so she can guilt him into going down on her" one, the statement would not be ridiculous if he'd written Dan saying that he'd never asked for the blowjobs, saying nothing about whether he enjoyed them, and then saying his girlfriend was demanding something he had misgivings about in return.
I suspect NCWTD's boyfriend's thinking on the subject isn't anywhere near so mercantile as that. I suspect that he, being 16, horny, and clueless about respectful sex, simply wants as much action as he can push for. The same motivation explains both the probing and the demands for blowjobs.
He isn't giving her oral sex as a bargaining chip to get oral, he's doing it because she lets him. I seriously doubt that he is going to fold his arms and say "Fine, then no oral for you either," as that would mean reducing their sexual activities even farther. Asking for it in return is just another form of pushing boundaries.
Now, if you ask me, "I'm scared to because I'm scared he will be disappointed" sounds like a smokescreen. (Because between a bad blowjob and no blowjob, the latter is way more disappointing.) I suspect NCWTD actually is uncomfortable with their current level of activity (the operative word being "scared", which got used twice in one sentence) and that was an attempt to put him off for a while without setting a firm boundary. She needs to learn to communicate clearly and set boundaries. He needs to learn to be respectful of her boundaries, but she needs to communicate them truthfully and clearly. "I'm worried that I won't be any good" practically invites a counterargument along the lines of "Well, if you want to be good at it, then get practicing!" By contrast, "I don't want to because I don't want to" is not open to debate.
That quote was definitely kind of assholey, I agree.
But the idea of using oral sex to get things you want is definitely not unknown to teenage girls, I assure you.
Do I personally view teenage girls and teenage boys differently? Yes. Do I believe that similar behaviour is likely to have different motivations? Yes. Am I a sexist jerk? Maybe.
@172 mydriasis : so sorry it looked like bragging. Writing it, it felt more like "at least there's this one thing I know how to do right". The subtility got lost on translation.
And I totally agree with your lips over teeth tip, there's no way otherwise to do away with one's teeth - unless very elderly. Besides, don't resent Hunter78, if someone worshipping his dick is what he does expect from sex, I doubt he's getting any, except from his hand. Otherwise he could go in detail on what he likes or doesn't, right ?
@138 Blackrose : I didn't mean that the foreskin kept covering the glans when fully erect, it does get folded around the ridge, so that it's tricky to visually differentiate between cut and uncut when the penis is not flaccid ; but it's still there, and it seems that playing with it does give very good sensations.
@112 Mthrfckr : hi ! Well I'll try to up the saliva and see what happens. I totally dig the non-thrusting part, sometimes my partner moves a bit to induce a different rythm, but I love being in charge of what happens to his tasty bits.
@110 Learned Hand : thanks for the info on what your cut penis requires ! What you describe does sound more physically taxing than what I practice - especially accomodating the thrusting. By the way, my partner likes me to ease the pressure during orgasm, and to maintain speed on the movements - he says pressure hurts him at that moment, unlike right before it ; while you insist on it. As always, EricaP is right about varying tastes !
As for pussy with a moistened finger, I'm not sold out on that. Even when licked, fingers are too salty so they tend to burn by contact, and they're not soft enough for my taste.
Take care, y'all !
"I suspect she only sucks his cock so she can guilt him into going down on her" worked for my first "real" girlfriend. Then we moved on to PIV sex (for that functionality) (just kidding).
For the record, I seriously doubt any guy just past his first sexual experience of using his penis in someone could be much good in inducing his partner's pleasure without additional means than PIV. I know I wasn't. Thanks again to my partners for teaching me how to do "it".
Peace.