Columns Dec 4, 2013 at 4:00 am

Leave This Old Bitch Alone

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1
a great example of the reason that seniors are (often, certainly not always) the absolute worst customers if you work in retail. anonymous, you are not the center of the fucking universe, nor are you being "stroked" for your scrooge mcduck-rivaling piles of un-squandered pension funds. when i worked in service that questions was something i asked to nearly every. fucking. customer. you know why? because it was a simple opening for "genuine human behavior" and interaction. you know who most frequently ignored the content of my question and asked me "how much" without so much as making eye contact let alone displaying any evidence of recognition of my humanity in any way? seniors. so entitled they find a simple greeting to be an affront.
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@1 Right on the F'n money. No one cares about your pension, good for you. Like many people you're so wrapped up in yourself that your projecting your own dislike of being old onto everyone else. Again, don't care that your old or have a pension, the checkout people are just trying to be pleasant. Give it a try.
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I'm so confused by this big gray chip... Are you genuinely complaining that people are too nice to you? Or is this maybe failed sarcasm? Or maybe your way of bragging about having something that's no longer attainable to most people? And what makes you the spokesperson for all senior citizens? Did you perform a sound study or vast poll to determine that seniors don't like to be stroked? I can attest that I've had several seniors ask me to "stroke" them before....
4
Wait? Wasn't it your generation who taught us to be kind to the elderly? You're the elderly now. Deal with it.

On that token, what's the deal with boomers being so insufferably arrogant? Guys, you screwed up everything. You really did. Show some humility.
6
Huh, old people. Can't send em to the glue factory, can't bury em in the back yard. What is the world coming to?
7
Well, if Anonymous wants the refreshing change of people being mean to her for free, she's come to the right comments section.
8
This IA is one example of why boomers are a fucking pox on the planet.
9
I call troll.

How can you possibly think a "How's your day going so far?" is meant just for you? It's called courtesy, and I think employers kind of demand it. What starts out merely polite often turns into a real human connection, if you let it. It's kinda nice.
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I like it when service workers suck up to me. Asking about my day, asking if I found everything OK, calling me hon sometimes and wishing me a good day as I depart.

I don't care if they're sincere. It's just nice.
11
They re doing their job, if you can't hack it then grow your own. It's the Charbucks model, engage the customer, ask two insincere questions between your pearly whites. so it goes, the world we live in. why let it bother you? you are not that special. don't like it, pull your shades and grow your own. divorce yourself,, whatever,, be left alone with your hundred cats.
12
You're absolutely right IA.

From here on out when elderly people walk over to me I'll ask them why the fuck they aren't dead yet, and possibly punch them in the face if they have that old people smell.

I'm sure my display of honesty during what could have been a polite, if superficial encounter will win their admiration.
13
Somebody's never worked a service job a day in their pathetic life.
14
@7 - too funny!

As someone who also works in a service profession I have to agree with anon. I've seen it time and time again. People raise their voices and start using 'easy to comprehend' English with seniors.

However... I would encourage anon to appreciate the little things. At least the cashiers are acknowledging her. Best I get (as a young-ish, middle-aged woman) isn't even an accounting of the total. The cashiers just stand there, not announcing the total, expecting me to clairvoy it out of them somehow. Then, when I've paid, they proffer a receipt and say, "Here you go." Whatever happened to 'thank you for shopping here'? I live within a mile of no less than four grocery stores (Ballard Market, Safeway, QFC and Fred Meyer - with TJ's and a Cash & Carry thrown in for good measure). If you want to keep your damn job, start being polite or I will definitely go elsewhere (and I'm looking at you, QFC.)
15
If i were elderly, id avoid Ballard for a while thanks to Ebenezer Scrooge!
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@13: Actually, wouldn't it be the people WORKING the service jobs who have the pathetic lives?
17
I'm not a big fan of the insincere, greeter-type BS either, and I'm not a senior. I feel sorry for the service worker who has to swallow their personality for a crap wage. I remind myself that we're all connected and these days I manage not to sneer and grumble as a response, and instead to focus on improving the person's day.
18
Wow, some of these comments are farting all over themselves to kill IA. I sure hope grandpa is listening to get his/her fix of genuine human behavior. Enjoy the pension, I wish I had one.
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@14

Then go to PCC instead of those shit stores. You get what you deserve.
20
Wow, I Anonymous. It must suck to be such a sad and jaded human being whose day only involves "schlepping around" and "avoiding phony checkers". Maybe it's time to get a part time job just to fill some of those miserable hours?

I work in the service industry IN BALLARD and, I like so many others making your day easier by being at your fucking service, ask pretty much every person who walks through the door how their day is, or how they're doing. Because I am a nice person. And because being nice to people makes everyone's day a little better. Except for yours apparently, because you are a miserable human being.
21
As a non-elderly person I've definitely noticed that retail workers tend to be extra condescending and nicey-nice to seniors and anyone who appears to have a disability. I can definitely see why that would grate on someone's nerves.

Although I'm not a fan of the nicey-nice stuff in general, and it's a big reason why I don't really give a shit if a retail/service worker is grumpy or aloof. Give me what I paid for quickly and competently, and I'm satisfied.
22
Geez Louise. Middle class people's problems.
Checkers always say to young or old "Welcome to Rite Aid", and "How's your day been so far?", and "Did you find everything you needed?" etc. They are told/taught to do that. All you need to do is nod, smile, offer a pleasantry in return, proffer your credit card and go home to bask in your pension. Is that so difficult?
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17: When I worked at a grocery store and had to ask that question, my favorite responses were the people who concisely (but politely) replied "fine, thanks" and then left it at that. That exchange can seem superficial, but at the same time it would feel odd to go through the whole transaction in dead silence (or, conversely, to have a life-changing experience with every customer. A genuine interaction can be nice, but if literally hundreds of customers per day had attempted this, it would have been exhausting).

That said, the only customers I actively disliked were the rude ones, so anyone who doesn't act like a prick is probably fine.
24
This is stupid.
25
As I have grown (41 now) I have come to value and respect seniors as knowledgeable bellwethers in my life, and a way to gauge life in general. That being said, I read your miserable and pathetic rantings of a curmudgeon such as yourself and think to myself "Just fucking die already!" Whether or not the checker, salesperson, stranger on the street wants something from me, I am happy to hear a positive salutation. We all know the expression "fake it till you make it" and many of us are attempting to find sunshine in our souls by extending a positive greeting to others, regardless of whether we are really even feeling it or not. If you can't enjoy and appreciate interacting with others, do us all a favor, use Amazon to buy EVERYTHING. Become a shut in and allow the rest of us to get on with life.
26
Is IA actually bitching about having a pension? Really?!

@25 JustSayGo: Well said!

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I share I Anon's irritation at the aggressively phoney and often prying chit chat retail people.

I speak as an outside SLOG territory Australian, but for what it's worth, these people are one of the reasons I have worn the same boring clothes for the past 15 years. I can't stand clothes shopping and being retailed at.

Sales people who know how to detect the delicate balance between being helpful and welcoming, and not being intrusive are a rare species.
28
When I'm out and about looking for a fuck, I always head straight for the old chicks: Easier to pick up, less expensive to get into bed, and, well, a wet hole is a wet hole.
29
^ yep, that sounds like your sleazy style, Ziff.
30
Hey, Old Person,

FYI....those customer service monkeys you're sneering at are required to be nice and smile. They're 'on script' while they're at work. They actually hate you with the white-hot fire of a thousand suns. Oh, and enjoy your pension while it lasts. You might think it's for the rest of your life but I know plenty of boomers just like you see their pension shrivel up and disappear because some corrupt CEO managed to loot the company they worked for.
31
If IA so hates friendly customer service, he/she should move to France.
32
"I guess what I mean to say is that when it comes to customers, honesty and genuine human behavior wins"

Take the first step and stop treating the grocery clerks as less than human.

"Anyway, what's with this "How's your day going so far?" question I get from checkout people at different stores?"

I love the smugness from someone who's never, ever had to deal with the unwashed masses in a customer service role.
33
As a non-senior, I'm going to echo the IA post, though with a bit different tenor, perhaps. I detest the *faked* politeness that seems to permeate this region like a fucking plague. You don't give a shit how my day is, how *I* am, or even *who* I am.

If you ask me a question like "how are you" and you don't actually give a damn what the answer is, then don't ask.

How do I respond when asked inanities like this?
I answer the question, truthfully and completely.
And then I ask them right back how they are. And I start a conversation.
And if some motherfucker behind me complains the line is taking too long, I will engage them in dialogue and integrate them into the conversation.

See how you like your fucking "manners" when they're used back at you.

Fuck this bullshit.
34
Our world would be so much better if everyone born between 1935 to about 1960 (give or take a couple years and a few exceptions) just fucking died off.

They are seriously the most fucking self centered self entitled assholes and cunts on the planet. And for all the faults of Generation X, Y and the Millennials none of us are that fucked up in the head.
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@33: "And then I ask them right back how they are. And I start a conversation."

Holy shit, you got them there!

Oh wait, you're faking humanity, I actually chat with people in public and enjoy it, or at least can tolerate the inanities of life.
36
Born in 1954.

Hadn't realized the hating on boomers was so widespread.

I'm feeling a little sad now.

How is that for an honest interaction?

PS I agree that this person is clueless about life in general, but I don't lay it to being a boomer. It's just them.
37
Another reason a checkout person's comments may be superficial is they're also being polite to everybody else in the damned line who doesn't really want to have to stand there for twenty minutes while you have some chit-chatty "genuine" conversation.

The checkout line in the grocery store is not the place for your personal validation. This is true whether you're nine years old or ninety. Be nice, buy your groceries, then take a hike. And Good God, get some friends or join a club so you don't spend so much time fretting about whether a poor retail worker fawned enough (and in exactly the right way) over your self-obsessed self.
38
I shop mostly at the Beacon Hill Red Apple, with side trips to the Rainier Avenue QFC. I know the checkers at both stores, and we always exchange pleasantries. How could anyone find that offensive?
39
In an impoverished, war torn slum such as Ballard there is no right or wrong.
40
Fuck you for thinking this interaction's all about you. There's a human being there trying to have a conversation with you. I work service, and I hate this shit. You know why I'm nice to you? Because it makes my day better. It puts me in a better mood. I'm not a fucking NPC there to provide you with goods and services in an unemotional, robotic fashion.

Don't want to be nice to people? Don't go out into the world.
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@40: Exactly. It's a mindless job, and occasionally, it's sincere. It feels good to talk to others, to engage.

@39: It's a hard-knock life for a crusty jerk.
42
Dear Baby Boomers. I am a young Gen X. My parents are Boomers. I will miss them when they are gone. I will also miss many of you.

Admittedly, you were the ones who did most of the damage to the environment and the economy, but only because it was you that had the opportunity. I'm not sure mine, or the next generation would have treated it better if they'd had the chance to.

We're just bitter that you got in first. But you did good as well. You were also the leaders in the anti war movement, and you are cooler than your parents. Your parents were total squares, what with their crystal cabinets and lavender.

Your grandparents, on the other hand (who lived through the depression) were ok, and they know about how to live frugally, just like the gen x y and m will have to live frugally.

I'm glad you got to have a fun time, burning the future with your cars and consumerism. All I ask is that you look around at the younger people, and the debt and struggle we face, and try to reign in your consumerism, and try to live more simply. Otherwise, it's just rude.

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@42 Your remark was positive, yet acknowledged the negatives in a constructive manner and recognized the inherent fallibility of humans.
@43 You're a donut hole.
45
Yeah yeah yeah, old people, manners, whatever. Bloated Jesus, Ballard Market is a GREAT store! You take that back!
46
@42...Gen X people were born to boomers. Boomers were born to "the Greatest Generation" (bah, they were awesome, but the greatest? Who's to say.) who were the ones going thought the great depression. The Greatest Gen were the ones who gave the boomers everything, because they knew poverty and want and hunger and did not want their children to suffer that fate.

The boomers...they were one of the most insufferable, privileged, self-centered generations ever made. And sadly, it's because the Greatest Gen didn't want them to feel the suffering they felt. Gen X? they were accused of being lazy, but yet, they are responsible for most of the tech we now take advantage of. Gen Y/Millennials? They are hard working, interesting and realistic people, who know and fear that they won't have a job when they graduate.

BTW, what's a young Gen X? So, you are like 33? That ain't young. Gen X ended in 1980.

My grandparents (Greatest Gen, I am a Gen Xer) were FAR MORE COOL than my parents (boomers). True facts.
47
This senior is grateful for every stroke I can get. Keep 'em coming, young people! For every curmudgeon who complains, there are a thousand of us who enjoy a kind or cheerful exchange in the course of the day.
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@46 by "young gen x" I'm not saying I'm young and an "x" I'm saying I'm of the younger x's. (i.e. mid 30's). No need to correct me. I know I'm not 20.
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You're welcome for all that Medicare and Social Security money, by the way.
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@49: When the generation's been voting for persons who wish to deny the money to us and destroy the system?
51
@33 - Good grief. I am annoyed by the inanities of these types of interactions as well. But you know what I do? I slap a fucking smile on my face and say whatever the shortest appropriate reply is and go about my day. To be fucking polite.
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33: Just answer "fine" and move along. It's really not that hard once you come to the realization that not every goddamn thing is about you.

Sometimes it's about the combined hundreds of customers you have to deal with per day. Dead silence will piss customers off more often than not, as will line-delaying "genuine" conversations. So these empty niceties are the best harassment-minimizing compromise, but of course there are always going to be people who are such thorough assholes that even that sets them off. Thanks for that.

Or do you expect people to predict what each individual customer will prefer, and to tailor their greetings accordingly on a case-by-case basis, hundreds of times per day?

Look, if this type of shallow interaction robs you of your belief that you're a special snowflake for whom every nicety must be motivated by a genuine desire to hear detailed laments about how much you've fucked up your own life, that's too bad. Maybe you should ask yourself why you're relying on grocery store clerks to give you this validation, at the expense of their own peace of mind at work.

Life isn't a movie, and the clerk isn't there to change your life. Just buy your goddamned nutter butters and be polite like a grown-up.

(I'm so glad I don't have to do that shit anymore).
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@36: There are plenty of individual boomers who are fine. But there are a great many boomers railing against the younger generations, saying that we're lazy, saying that we're so self-centered, saying all sorts of horrible things about "millennials" (I'm sure I am one, but I'm still not really sure what that means), and yet they got jobs with relative ease, cheap college educations, affordable housing, and relatively secure retirement. My generation will be the first that isn't better off than our parents, and I personally would appreciate not seeing any more articles about how horrible my generation is from people my parents' age. Especially since so many of the things that we're criticized for (like the use of social media) are things that my friends' parents are abusing all the time.
54
I am proud to live in Ballard and if the worst thing that can happen to a crazy old bat is that some checker asks her how her day is going, then hooray for Ballard!
55
I mean, what is there to say? The anon is miserable, all of you people seem miserable - we're all miserable for different reasons, apparently. Who knew there were so many people that actively resented the fact that salespeople are literally required to be nice to you? Who knew that people resented the elderly so goddamn much? (I mean shit, I hope I'm lucky enough to live until I'm old - beats the hell out of the alternative)

You people depress me. My New Year's Resolution of unplugging from the miserable fucking sinkhole of bullshit that is the internet is looking more and more tenable.
56
As a an old hag myself, I do sometimes wonder at the amazing rudeness of my fellow seniors. But maybe you start to react this way after you have been called "dear" by a checkout person for the millionth time, or been asked if you need help carrying out one bag of milk and bread and coffee AFTER you have just come from working out. It really makes you feel small.
57
Someday, children, this entire fuck-up will be yours. See if you can fix it.
58
AAh, Boomer hate.

What, no thanks for me marching, and picketing for your dumb-asses to have clean air, cheap health, equality, and rights?

I am going to laugh at you all when you're 70, and blind, hunched over, with crippled hands from texting like you dorks do.

I'll be 90, and evil as all get out, just like the rest of my people.
59
@ 58,

Americans have clean air, cheap health care, equality and rights? Where? Who? Since when?
60
The fucking nerve of those assholes to offer the slightest human warmth to an ice bitch!

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