Columns Jul 23, 2014 at 4:00 am

The Boys in the Bandwidth

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Ah the irony; having been a no shaving any body bits feminist( tend to my eyebrows), for 40 yrs, I now get told by my 17 yr old son, that he shaves his underarm hAir..
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Dan, I hope you realize you've chose to slap the jealous, insecure, and controlling label onto the first writer - it's ALL relative.
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Hunter78, I'd be surprised if "youth is wasted on the young" weren't much older than that. It sounds classical to me but the citations I have are much more recent (1933/34 http://freakonomics.com/2011/04/14/quote…). It's a variation of the French "Si jeunesse savait, si vieillesse pouvait" (if youth only knew; if age only could) which dates from at least 1594 http://www.guichetdusavoir.org/viewtopic….
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@LavaGirl

I've converted to the "proud to be a mammal" shave-less behaviour some years ago too :-)
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@Hunter & Alison: I can't find "youth is wasted on the young" in my hardcover copy of Bartlett's, which is the 16th edition from 1992.

Intriguing. If the origin is Shaw, Twain, Parker, or anyone of that ilk (I'd throw Wilde in as another likely contender), I'd think it'd be included. I tried to check my OED, to see it used as an example quote, but came up dry.

As for the "Si jeunesse savait, si vieillesse pouvait" that Alison suggests, Bartlett's has that (yes, 1594), but while it's perhaps true, it lacks the spirit of frustration that youth is wasted on the young has.

I sometimes feel a sense of "if I knew then what I know now," but that's a totally different feeling than YIWOTY, which I love--and tend to agree with.
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"si jeunesse savait, si vieillesse pouvait" is obsolete : youth knows that everything must be paid for, and old age can pay for everything - Maret, 1903.
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Brainyquote gives G.B. Shaw for "youth is wasted on the youth".

By the way, the book containing "si jeunesse savait, si vieillesse pouvait" published in 1594 by Henri Estienne was a collection of French proverbs rewritten as epigrams.

So this proverb is probably older than that, and may even have roots in the Antiquity, as Estienne was both a printer, and a greek and latin scholar.
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@73, only because I have been there and done it. From both ends.
It's not a Happy Place, to know. I am not ignorant, just because I don't want to snoop.
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@77, you have a good point. Some people do indeed cheat for the thrill of it. I would say most do.

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Hunter: I have become suspicious of repeated attributions without citation following the popularity of the quote I have often seen attributed to George Eliot: "It's never too late to be what you might have been." It's a great sentiment, and one which brings me a lot of hope and comfort, but it can't be found anywhere in Eliot's writings and it doesn't jibe with her general message. I remember when I first saw it, about 20 years ago, and thought "that doesn't sound like something George Eliot would say."

This is a great article from the New Yorker, in which Rebecca Mead (who's just published My Life in "Middlemarch") writes about Eliot, Middlemarch, and that quote.

She says: "'Middlemarch' is not about blooming late, or unexpectedly coming into oneā€™s own after the unproductive flush of youth. 'Middlemarch' suggests that it is always too late to be what you might have beenā€”but it also shows that, virtually without exception, the unrealized life is worth living. The book that Virginia Woolf characterized as ā€œone of the few English novels written for grown-up peopleā€ is also a book about how to be a grownup personā€”about how to bear oneā€™s share of sorrow, failure, and loss, as well as to enjoy moments of hard-won happiness."

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/0…
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@sissoucat 119 ā€” ok, so my hunch that it sounds classical isnā€™t way off, even if we donā€™t have the original source. Cool!
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Shaw may have said it at a dinner party and been quoted:
http://freakonomics.com/2011/04/14/quote…

Iā€™m not a classicist, so a brief google only gets me this from Sophocles: No man loves life like him thatā€™s growing old.
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A good friend of mine says that once you are over about 50, you become invisible in the gay world. I think he means that the hot, young guys don't even see you anymore.

Some truth to that, but the key is not to let it get you down. There is so much to enjoy and experience in life.
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@Alison Cummins

Yep, it has a distinct classical feeling... A good test for an antique origin would be to scan for the same meaning in other languages, like russian.

@Larry1234

The hot, young gays do not constitute the entirety of the gay world, I hope ?
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@127

"The hot, young gays do not constitute the entirety of the gay world, I hope?"

No, but there is a generational cohort wherein the formerly young and hot are disproportionately unrepresented.
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Creating accounts specifically to get off, and be discrete about it, is not just flirting...it's interactive and purposeful. It could Really feel like a betrayal.
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Regarding SOCI.......
First, Dan was completely biased and off the mark in referring to this merely as 'online flirting'. The boyfriend most certainly went outside of the relationship by setting up secret accounts, exchanging photos, and possibly having intimate conversations that should only be reserved between those in a committed relationship. Committed and monogamous couples, straight or gay, do not do such things behind one another's backs. Think of this in heterosexual terms. I could never imagine my mother EVER being okay with my father having secret email accounts, conversing secretly with other women, and exchanging pictures! I have known straight and gay couples whose relationships have been almost destroyed over this type of activity. I also know experts in the filed of marital and couple's therapy/counseling who definitely refer to this as a form of infidelity that effects trust as a core of committed relationships. But what bothers me the most is the minimizing, sarcastic, cruel, catty, and insensitive way that Dan responded to SOCI. WOW! My sincere condolences to whoever Dan is in a relationship with! And to SOCI.......you most certainly have every right to feel stressed and then some if what occurred is outside of the parameters of what appears to be a committed and monogamous relationship with someone that you have life plans with!

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