Columns Aug 20, 2014 at 4:00 am

You Can't Have It Both Ways

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1
What fun is there in being trans if you can't keep the male privilege at least?
2
How do you know they accept gender binaries? I read them taking off their tops as a giant "fuck you" to a society that has deemed the female breast a bad thing, but you're choosing to take this personally, because reasons. You aren't the people police; you don't get to decide how any other person expresses themselves.
3
You can also take your shirt off, IA:

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
4
Don't look at this as "you have to accept the shitty parts with the bad", if there are things like this one that are unfair that you consider shitty, work on making it ok for everyone rather than seething at one person who's getting away with something you'd like to be able to do.

Why are you mad at someone more comfortable than you and attempting to make them less comfortable to compensate instead of making yourself more comfortable? Why must the equality level be set to "shitty"?
5
Yeah, Anon, this is not a legit complaint. You are legally allowed to go topless in Seattle even though you for some reason lump yourself in with a group of women who aren't "able." Anyone is able to go topless if they feel free enough to do so. That's the thing about real freedom from gender structures--we can all have it all ways, so long as we don't hurt anyone else.

It sounds like you are just bitter about being more caught up in social norms and restrictions than your topless transgendered sistren, which isn't surprising, seeing as they had to break out of all that nonsense a long time ago just to feel like their authentic selves.

Take your top off, too, anon! Maybe you'll see why they dig it so much.
6
Well i guess if you dont like it, you can move someplace else that would make you feel more comfortable, like say, Alabama, or Saudi Arabia or Alaska.
7
Anon, your complaint is total BS. I (being female bodied) go topless in public regularly and you can, too. Grow up and stop trying to oppress other people who are comfortable exercising their freedoms just because you don't have the guts to take advantage of your own rights.
8
Beavers go topless all the time.
9
I would think one of the few privileges of being transgender is being able to pick and choose how much of the gender norms you wish to follow on a given day. OP needs to mind her business.
10
She's just jealous that they have nicer boobs.
11
78 degrees is not hot.
12
@9 Yeah, trans people being able to pick and choose between gender norms seems like a bit of consolation for the amount of shit they have to put up with.

Also, Anon must be pretty self-centred to think that other people shouldn't do things because they make her envious. Jeez Louise.
13
P.S. Everyone should be allowed to follow or not follow whichever gender norms they choose, actually.
14
Sea Otter is correct.
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@14: This.
16
I'm pleased that so many other commenters had the same reaction I did to this IA: Go topless yourself, it's legal, and either way, shut up about other people going topless.
17
Attention all trans women who wish to go topless in public. Do not listen to this person. ;)
18
Last time I took my shirt off in public, someone hit with a tranquilizer dart.

When I woke up, I had radio tracking collar on.

Damned UW Sasquatch researchers.
19
They're boobs. not that big of a deal.
Here is what you tell a kid or an adult who doesn't understand where they are.
This is Seattle and we respect people for who they are, and who they want to be. You may see things that you have never seen before and they may seem strange to you and that's ok. Just because it is strange does not mean it's harming you or a bad thing. Aren't you glad you can visit or live in a place where people can be who they want to be?
20
All Sloggers are correct, but @11 is more correct than others.
21
I agree with Anon. Show a little taste and class please. It's not much to ask
22
I'm sorry, I can't hear you with your shirt on.
23
We love it when a fake whine gathers so much comment. Isn't this outrageous?
24
If your tits hang down to your waist, we don't want to see them anyway, just chill out or get breast reduction surgery, you're just jealous your tits don't "stand up" like theirs do.
25
Why stop at topless? Let's just all walk around nude. Big, small, tall, short, old, young. Let's all be "free."
26
If previous comments are correct that it's legal, and I believe they are considering various festivals, etc., I honestly fail to understand the writer's justification for complaint.

As a woman (would it really matter if I was trans or not?), I applaud these women for taking advantage of the law and doing what's comfortable. Some people may not want to view bare breasts, but some people may also not want to view a bare beer-belly--yet many men confidently remove their shirts without a second thought when the weather is warm. More power to those women confident enough to be comfortable.

Guessing i-anonymous doesn't like breastfeeding or National Geographic, either.
27
Very surprised that the Stranger would print such transphobic vitriol. I expect more from people whom I'd like to believe are allies of the trans* and queer communities.
28
@24, @10 - the reason this is an issue
29
If they thought that that they would be more comfortable in a woman's body, a top is a part of the bargain. Embrace your hot feminine experience. It is a package deal.
30
I bet she's mad cause the Tranz had nicer boobs.
31
As a plea for my straight brethren and lesbo sisters...please all woman go topless...come to think of it more men topless too. I mean I would love to see more hairy men go topless but I think,they think, they have the same restrictions.
32
@31

As a man with a very hairy chest, I approve this message.
33
putting this fake anonymous commenter in their place can be done without turning this into a misogynistic hate thread about how some women have better boobs or hate eachother because they are reaching the culturally prescribed standard better than others. Keep it to the facts: we're allowed to go topless here. the end.
34
Shame on you for printing this transphobic filth.
35
These "trans" just walking around gyrating bare chested, and thrusting their enormous crotches all zipped up in skin tight leather bunn huggers... OH MY GOD. Someone let Mark Driscoll know about this.
36
I am a woman who was born with a female body and in the summer, I regularly go topless. Fuck this anonymous coward. They are just trans-phobic and on top of it, not at fierce. Trans women face a lot more violence than non-trans women. Three cheers to those brave enough to be comfortable in the heat. Why was this published?
37
So, your point is you'd rather attack trans women than completely unfair and sexist societal double standards?

Totally not transphobic or misogynistic.
38
Wow!!! I had NO idea it was legal to be topless in Seattle!!! That's awesome.

I am not brave enough, at least not down town, but maybe a quiet beach somewhere..
But what the hell, I don't mind other women doing it.
And hey, my bf might look at other women's tits, good for him. I would too if it was a guy with bare buttocks or something. Where's the threat?

Have fun, half naked women, the rest of us envy your courage.

As a ciswoman I admire the courage many trans women have when it comes to confronting these things.
I have always had street-harassment from guys, and I am sure growing up disguised as a guy, pre-transition, has given these women some strength to really not give a f*ck what guys might say or do with that. I am envious!!
I would be too intimidated by the general male response, myself, but I would never think to ask other women not to do it because I was too scared.
39
But... you COULD have it both ways. Society as a whole is allowed to do new things and change norms...since we're the only ones who have ever done it in the past....get it?

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