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You may have been born under different circumstances where the choices open to you were wide. You didn't come from the bottom strata and trying to work your way up with limited resources.
Every job is important. Work- whatever the task - is uplifting. Why don't try and appreciate the other person and what they do instead of being such stunted and selfish pricks.
Sure, my Thanksgiving celebration wasn't usually on a Thursday, and my Christmas celebration wasn't on the 25th, but I still celebrated, and had a fair amount more money to do so. That may not be worth it to you, but it was to me.
Millions of people work during holidays, me included. I'm unsupportive of this whinging.
But what are the holidays if not the airing of the grievances. A Festivus for the Rest-of-us!
Jee-ZEUS! Thanksgiving and Christmas are holidays! I plan to sleep in, dammit, NOT camp out overnight in a parking lot catching pneumonia all for an over-stocked $5 dollar toaster made in China for 99 cents.
There are businesses that cannot reasonably shut down for holidays. Those businesses tend to pay well for people who have to work those shifts. Whole Foods is not one of those businesses.
I hope the spirit of the season beats you about the head until you figure out that there is no conceivable reason for Black Friday to start at 6 pm on Thanksgiving, often requiring employees to come in for set up hours early and work through the night. And then beats you some more until you can tell the difference between a necessary service, like a hospital, and a luxury, like a grocery store being open a couple more hours so you can buy another can of onion flakes. Because Thanksgiving will be ruined if you don't get the onion flakes.
Believe me, if you can survive while only buying groceries or cheap electronics during certain store hours 364 days of the year, you're going to survive a few more hours on a couple federal holidays. Seriously, if your need for immediate gratification is such that you can justify forcing other people to give up their family time (since, as you've all pointed out, it's easy to just celebrate another day.. if you're someone else), you probably need to reevaluate your priorities.
And another voice saying fuck you to the dispassionate assholes who can't empathize a little over the holiday season.
With that said, I think people who shop for anything besides groceries or pharmaceuticals on Thanksgiving are tacky.
What a dilemma. Ethics, in this case, is in the eyes of the beholder.
So please, if you're going to shop, don't be an asshole. Know what you NEED, get out before closing time, don't start a fight with the staff, and for god's sake don't conduct a phone call or text message while being waited on.
Some of us are not lucky enough to be able to go to college, others, like me aren't lucky enough to be able to go to college without working a shitty job where so many people disrespect and ignore you.
Now I'd like my eggs in with the bread and I'll take a carry out.
If you don't like it, do something proactive to change it. You can fight corporate greed all day long, but CEOs will never care about you. Care about yourself. Lift yourself up. Or don't...but realize your reality is in your own hands to change.
And for the record, I don't shop, dine out, or otherwise patronize businesses unnecessarily on holidays.
If you can't get Christmas off, the problem is your bosses, not us Jews, atheists, and Muslims going and picking some stuff up at the store.
All these babbits kissing up and pissing down. From the perspective of the people running this country, you couldn't see even light between #2 and Anon.
Be glad you have a family, and friends to borrow things from if you "forgot to buy something." You don't have to just see them on Thanksgiving, you know.
I don't think somebody who works at a grocery store or restaurant is "less than" or "less professional" than somebody who got some piece of paper and got a white collar job in the bureaucracy of this piece of shit system. We need grocery clerks as much as we need lawyers or CEOs (more maybe??); if you expect to get served by a waiter or helped by a grocery clerk, then you have no fucking right to tell them they are less than you
But this particular person seems to not realize what they DO have and they are casting judgment and ire on people who aren't judging him (like me)
Take it, or leave it. Just smile pretty, and thank me for shopping.
And of course, as we've been reminded in other recent threads, since property/capital is always to be placed in higher value than actual human beings, I guess this is all in keeping with that hallowed tradition of "peace on earth, goodwill to all", right?
So, when you're rushing to the store or the gas station or any of the scores of retail establishments open today because of your selfish, narcissistic need for instant gratification and patent inability to walk ten feet in someone else's shoes, just keep thinking about how proud your god must be of you, you soulless fucks.
Not the can't buy a gas can on tuesday weird Blue laws but the ones where grocery stores, malls, etc were closed on Sunday.
Society needs a break once in a while to sit back and smell the roses. Family and friends time.
Just sayin, a simpler time.
The world is changing.
In the end while on our death beds we will realize it was after all not about the money.
To the writer, the real crime isn't that you are working today, the crime is that you are not offered sufficient extra compensation, the kind that might entice some people to volunteer to work.
And this is in New Orleans.
"hard work and sacrifice"
maybe try smoking some weed before you go to work dude.
I thought that when weed was legal to the point of having shops you could go into people would chill out a little more.
This thread stands as evidence to the contrary.
They can cancel football and give those guys a day off. I don't care. Close the airports, I wouldn't mind. If you job doesn't involve saving or preserving lives, you ought to have the day off.
And if you have to work because otherwise people or livestock might die, you should be getting double time.
People in menial retail jobs can't tell you the truth while they're at work. If they are overheard or if you are a secret shopper they will lose their jobs.
You want more freedom, start your own business
You want to keep on complaining about how bad your work environment is, try being the guy outside trying to sell 'Real Change' for a change of pace.
OR, you can get a grip on the realities of life as a wage earner and choose to be one or choose to make your own way. I don't think there are openings for 'self entitled' 'trust fund individual or group' positions, but I personally know there are some jobs, like yours in retail and mine in Health Care where the community as a whole, the public in general,mand many many people specifically benefit dramatically from the services we offer, and we can make a wage decent enough to have access to the internet.
I don't think your local 'Real Change' franchise owner has much of that.
See, at least most grocery stores close early on holidays (like noon, 3, or 4. Before people typically eat and watch football), specifically so their employees can go spend time with their friends/families.
So, while I sympathize, what i would really like to say is: STHU, and be grateful for what you got, whiny. You didn't get punched in the boob amd vomited on by a detoxing freakzoid while at work, I'm imagining, but you get paid about as much per hour as I do.
And why should everyone else suffer just because you're suffering?
I guess, as someone who works in the service industry and has both worked and not worked on Thanksgiving, I just don't really feel the same level of rage toward my customers; they're often in a similar boat.
Also, agree with @73 - I worked almost 70 hours this week and was really glad the liquor store was open when I got off work on Thanksgiving so I could have something to bring over to my friend's house.
@74 - Nurses' assistants, phlebotomists, receptionists...
I work late, can't get to the grocery store during 'regular hours' quite a bit.
Sometimes I'm FORCED to shop on a holiday.
What about people like me? Huh?
Also, it's not like you got tricked into working Thanksgiving. You knew what you were getting into when you applied for a job at a grocery store. If it's SO important for you to have "two days off a year" (I'm assuming that you work the other 363 days then, right?) then work someplace else.
I work as a musician and bartender, so I rarely get weekends off, boo hoo. But I made my choice, and you made yours.
Quit whining about nothing (or perhaps you're whining about getting paid time-and-a-half?)
If you don't like working Thanksgiving (or Christmas) go to school and get a better job.
Get over yourself you wimpy little shit.
And fuck you back...
Collective bargaining for holiday pay and time off is more effective than blaming shoppers.
I actually asked some of my local grocery store employees if they HAD to work or not, and if they minded?
QFC employees had some degree of choice for what that's worth. I don't think the Fred Meyer people did. Same company, Kroger, what gives?
Anyway, the ones that didn't mind, were all over the extra pay!! We don't all have families, and Holidays can be awful if you've got nobody to celebrate or spend time with. I have had a few of those. I have been thankful of the chance to go into work, and not think about being alone.
Some of us work too much, and don't have time to shop at other times. I didn't, this Thanksgiving, I was working late in the office. I had to shop late at night on the Weds evening, because no, I didn't want to have to shop on the day. But it was hard to get that together.
So Anon, you're not the only person that is affected by this. I am sorry you HAD to work, but there are some that don't mind, and some that actually DO NEED to shop on the day. We're not just lazy thoughtless assholes, we're also at the whim of corporate dictation.
Guess what, life isn't fair, and we're not all the same.
I don't care about the circumstances that led you to having the job that you have. Just Deal, or get another job. Anonymous ranting won't change a single thing. You will still have to work. And I will still have Thanksgiving off. And I WILL do last minute shopping on Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve, and Christmas Day. As will a lot of other Seattlites.
So, Sack Up and Deal. Or, do something concrete to change your circumstance. You have the Ultimate Control over your life.