Good to hear you're not close to camping in the parks Grizelda, or your car. The collaboration sounds promising.
There was one woman in the Bond films lately who had wrinkles,
M( Judy Dench), it's just they killed her off.
I'm concerned that the woman hoping to be president of the USA, a woman in her late 60s, seems to have a face as smooth as a baby's bum.
Would people not vote for her if she showed her age, like the men do?

“Well, Cat, I don't want to get into an argument about who is held to more unrealistic beauty standards, because you and I both know it's women by a country mile, and your exceptions prove the rule.”
Well, Bi, no.
Exceptions never 'prove a rule,' they only prove a rule isn’t a rule, this point has been addressed many times. You asked whether 2 male stars had wrinkles, one does, one doesn't. So what's your point? Mine was that male stars, if they’re not being played because they’re fat/schlumpy, a la Seth Rogan in ‘Knocked Up,’ whose juxtaposition opposite Katherine Heigl was a gag all on its own in the movie, are, like female stars, held to unrealistic standards.
Channing Tatum has no wrinkles, unless he's been furrowing his brow on how to invest all his monies.
I've watched that elevator clip too, quite a lot, and SL commenters can decide, the women all looked pretty much average. If by 'slender,' you mean 'were not obese,' yeah, but they were average. Average. As were the two women in the lobby he passed singing the Journey song.
They're definitely not 1%'ers. And the point I was making was not this penis, which he did offer them to comment on, but his body, which is very much 1% (especially for his age) as far as American males go, and way beyond any of those women, who were all in biz attire and whose bodies we can't see anyway. Really, if you're playing along at home, people, do you think they were held to the same standard Evans was?
I haven't been to Wal-Mart lately, though I've seen the same Facebook pics everyone has of obese whitefolks riding those Rascal things around, but Monica is not...what were you claiming, exactly? Low body fat level? You can find fat folks at the local mall that Monica's much slimmer than, but no, she's not in the 1%. “I saw a pic of a morbidly obese woman at Wal-Mart, therefore a voluptuous woman I saw in the movies has a totally unrealistic body” is not a workable hypothesis.
Ms. Belluci is not skinny, by anyone's standards, and that's a large part of her appeal. And that's the point.
Invested readers are invited to watch the above linked clip, and determine whether the women shown have totally unattainable bodies that they’ve never seen on women around them, or whether they’ve known any guys with abs and delts as shown by Mr. Evans.

Cat Yes both male and female stars are held to unhealthy, unattainable standards. However I want to point that a guy doesn't have to have a killer abs to be a star.

Seth Rogan, Kevin James, Simon Pegg. None of these guys look like Chris Evans or Channing Tatum and yet they're still stars. They get to be in movies as the romantic lead. They're treated like attractive, worthwhile human beings.

Can you name at least three, overweight, fairly young actresses who get the same treatment? Where they're treated as desirable romantic prospects and not treated like some liking them IS the joke?

CatB. You know I love you and your rowers' arms, right? Just here you are losing a battle.
Oh and Brad Pitt is 11 yrs older than Angelina. And George Clooney is about 16 yrs older than his wife. Sorry wife, I don't have your name.
So what female fronts a camera looking like Tommy Lee Jones. Or John Houston. Or Henry Fonda. Or Clark Gable. Most of these guys are dead, I know, so they never will face a camera again.
Vanessa Redgrave. Judi Dench. Only two women I can think of who have let time be real on their faces.

#213 Mys - Seth was put as a romantic lead as JOKE opposite Katherine Heigl, as in, ‘what would this hot woman want with a chubby loser like this?’ He was not presented as attractive, just the opposite, that was a major point of the picture.
‘Star’ is a variable thing, we started this convo talking about James Bond, who has, since his movie incarnation been seen as the epitome of the studly, worldly man. Not every male star is playing a ‘James Bond’ role, in fact that one role is so iconic there are vicious fights on who gets to fill the shoes next. They guys you mentioned were all in comedies, where their decided lack of manliness was part of why they got cast.

Lava, not sure I’m losing at all. We’ve gone from Bi asserting that EVERYONE, caps keys on, of the women in film is a totally unrealistic body type, including meter maids and female bosses, to ‘I’ve seen people in Wal-Mart who make Monica Belluci look really good.’

Exceptions proving rules, "This is used when a rule has been asserted, and someone points out the rule doesn't always work. The cliche rebuttal is that this is "the exception that proves the rule". Many people think that this cliche somehow allows you to ignore the exception, and continue using the rule.
In fact, the cliche originally did no such thing. There are two standard explanations for the original meaning.
The first is that the word "prove" meant test. That is why the military takes its equipment to a Proving Ground to test it. So, the cliche originally said that an exception tests a rule. That is, if you find an exception to a rule, the cliche is saying that the rule is being tested, and perhaps the rule will need to be discarded.
The second explanation is that the stating of an exception to a rule, proves that the rule exists. For example, suppose it was announced that "Over the holiday weekend, students do not need to be in the dorms by midnight". This announcement implies that normally students do have to be in by midnight.
In either case, the cliche is not about waving away objections.”
Not sure why you’re bringing up Brangelina, they both still have plenty of people who want to sleep with them. Ms Jolie is not losing work d/t her age.
Well, Judi Dench is 80. Sharon Stone is 57. Bit of difference there. As you said, the guys you mentioned are dead, except for Tommy Lee Jones, who gets work as a craggy wise old guy, like Sam Elliot.
Speaking of Sam Elliot, let’s talk Justified, the series.
Mary Steenburgen, def some wrinkles going on there, but pictured as a wise canny crime boss, and also desirable.
Amy Smart - Flat chest, big round ass, cast as a love interest. She gave Raylan the heave when he didn’t respect her enough, not the other way around.
Erica Tazel - Cute, don’t recall seeing her out of shirtsleeves, not remarkably stacked or lean.
And Sam Elliot, who looks like a turtle, but nobody pretends they want to fuck him.
And waitamminit, Ms, Patton Oswald, who has a build like a chocolate eclair, was cast as a law enforcement officer who saved the day!

Amal Clooney. Sweet that a world famous Lawyer took her husband's name.

No. Tommy Lee was in a romantic movie, (as where all those others I mentioned)
of sorts with the never gets old Streep woman.
Of course I forgot my favourite, Sam. Love you Sam Sheppard.
You are taking us to the army now, CatB. This some sort of diversionary tactic.
The age differences I was throwing in re above discussions about age between lovers, re one of the LWs.
I feel Seth Rogen was used in that movie to show women aren't as fussed with looks as men are.
We look for quality and nice arms and working bits.

Which Tommy Lee movie do you mean? Old Country for Old Men?
And those are PADDLER’S arms. Rowers use oarlocks. Me, I just have a paddle, says ‘Too Lucky to Lose’ on one side, ‘Too Wicked to Win’ on the other.
Seth Rogan might well have been used to illustrate that point, in that movie, no argument.

I forget the name of the movie, a older couple having sex problems, imagine.. Then they go to a therapist and get back on the horse.
Speaking of Amal, if she gets pregnant, I can only hope when she's looking for a nanny she picks a young man for the job. As we know, don't we Afflict, Law etc, putting young women in the house with some men can be Such a temptation.

@220 Amy Schumer still fits the mold for being conventionally attractive.

Honey Boo-boo's Mom? Really, really? I doubt we'll see her on TV again after the show was cancelled.

Both Oprah and Meryl are both established, well know actresses who still fit conventional beauty molds.

Show me a female David Spade, a lady Rob Schneider, show me multiple women who have a Chris Farley type body but who still gets the attention and money he did.

#222 - Ms - Amy Schumer is very funny and deserves her success, and she ain’t ugly, but she’s not close to being 1%’isn in her body type. The fact that she isn’t, in fact, has been widely heralded as a breakthrough, and the source of a lot of material for her bits. “Look how her career’s blowing up, and she’s got a body like a normal woman!"

Same for Oprah/Meryl - nobody looks at them and goes, Mon Dieu, it’s simply unbelievable, that’s totally unlike most women their age! They do say that about Stallone, but he’s upfront, at least, about his ‘roid usage. The rest of the aging male cast of the Expendables is right there with him on the anabolic train.
Spade, Schneider, and Farley are/were all comedians, who all got attention and money from being on Saturday Night Live first. Don’t think we’ve had multiple Chris Farley types, come to think of it...Anyways, it was never implied in a movie, with a straight face, that any of them would pull chicks based on their looks, or that their looks were anything to aspire to. Actually, it might have been in a Rob Schnieder movie, I’ve avoided those things like polka-dot boxer shorts, so if anyone has a clip, go ahead and post it.
Comedians in comedy movies can look however. Obese actors of either gender have their body type played for laughs.
Agree on Honey Boo-boo’s mom.

I think you are missing the point CatB. Of course there are beautiful men out there in movie land, as in real land. Just like there are beautiful women.
The expectation though, isn't on men to keep changing their faces and body parts to stay looking young. Male actors actually age, and can still get jobs.
Women actors scream out about how parts are just not there for older women. They pair up middle aged men with younger, good looking women mostly.
We all watch movies. We all buy into the stereotypes.

Hi, Lava, it would not be hard to miss the point in this thread, as it seems to be an ever-shifting target.
My (main) point is that male actors at least in the action/adventure genre, and in a wide swath of romantic pictures, absolutely have to ‘keep changing body parts’ if they want work, and the standards keep going up yearly. If Stallone had shown up on set for Expendables looking like he did in Copland, they’d have dropped him like a hot rock, but he keeps sticking a syringe in his ass, and they keep cutting him checks.
Men’s expectations tend to revolve around muscle mass and definition, not wrinkle-less facial beauty, so the standards are different, but there are standards.
I would absolutely agree that female action heroes don’t generally look like...action heroes (TV shows are terrible like this), but now with actual athletes like Gina Carano and Rhonda Rousey getting work, that will hopefully change.
Being serious, what’s the latest movie you remember with a considerably older guy and younger woman? Sean Connery was awhile back, with Katherine Zeta-Jones, George Clooney was 5 years older than Julia Roberts...who else is there?
As to how much we all buy into those stereotypes...seems an individual thing. The recent Cougar thread had a number of women not caring to be defined that way.

#225 - I think Rachel Maddow’s attractive, a lot of it coming from her affect and mannerisms, but I’d hit on her at a wedding or in a bar. I’ve never thought of this as a particularly unusual preference to have, so didn’t comment on it before.

#228 - I meant to say, if I didn’t know her preferences, I would have tried my luck, especially after seeing her smile/laugh.

Stallone is not much of an example, CatB. Never watched his movies and never will.
You still not hearing. Women , all women, unless they work hard to throw off the stereotypes of the Patriarchy, take in these images of how women are in the world from a very very early age. We supposed to wear skirts to show off our arse, high heels to make our legs look just right, have a face that never ever ever shows signs of wear/ pity about the hands. Shave/ wax any hair on our bodies, except our nicely blow dried head hair, that remind us or those we get with, that yes, we are animal.
Not just Be.

Cat you seem to focusing on action and superhero movies where yes if you want to be in them you have to have a six-pack. However those aren't the only movies that exist. And there are tons of movies where a less-than-ideal male star winds up with a supermodel for a girlfriend, but I really can't think of any with the roles reversed. [And no movies where a stunning female lead is given chunky glasses and ill-fitting clothes and the audience is told they're 'dowdy' or 'ugly' until the make-over where they're Beautiful All Along' doesn't count.]

#231 Ms - Well, I can think of a bunch of movies where a pretty female lead ends up with a rich, older guy like Richard Gere or George Clooney, or with a poor-but-great-abs dude instead of the rich guy, like Matthew McConaughey or John Corbett, but if you ain’t rich or got abs, you generally have to get the girl in a comedy (where the guy’s deficiencies are a joke point,) if she’s bangingly hot. Can’t agree that there’re ’tons’ of them, or that any of them pretend to be a little serious.
Catching Manic Pixie Dreamgirls, like Garden State, is its own sub-genre.
And yeah, I know all about the ‘whipping off her glasses in slow motion to show that she’s actually a fox’ bit, one’a those gawdawful Wayans movies did a pretty good spoof of it.

Dan needs to keep answering the question, because it's for certain no other columnists are going to do anything but slut shame people who ask:

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