Columns May 28, 2009 at 4:00 am

With Friends Like These...

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wow.... this is really insightful.
I don't know you, so it doesn't matter, but for what it's worth, I'm sorry for your losses. I've experienced what you're talking about... people don't know how to really connect any more... it makes you feel really alone.
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Get over yourself and deal with it. I'd want to be left alone in your situation.
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Just kill yourself now and spare us all.
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Bitching about not getting gifts when your parents die is far worse then being unable to show enough sympathy. If all it takes to soothe the loss your parent is flowers and a card, then you must not have cared about them very much.
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Obviously bitchslap and Brandon have either never experienced a major loss and/or are sociopaths. Anonymous is truly compassionate for being able to both understand and forgive his/her friends reticence in times of need. I've seen this pattern repeat itself several times in my extended group of friends. It's not that people don't care, they just feel too awkward about reaching out. Lesson: it's far better to say the wrong thing than to ignore a giant issue. And it's not about "gifts" - its the gesture, a token way of saying 'I realize this is a big deal and I'm here for you.'
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Brandon J-
It's not the gifts, it's the fact that Anon's friends didn't even acknowledge that he/she was going through a hard time and react accordingly.
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That's the thing with this "facebook" and "twitter" generation...young people seem to think that a faceless stranger on the internet whom they sometimes "chat" with are "friends".I've even heard of people having what they think are "relationships" with chat people..like boyfriend and girlfriend etc....and they are thousands of miles apart and have nor will ever meet!Good God people !Turn off the computer and get out there and meet people face to face! GET A LIFE !
I know Anon's story seems to imply his friends were also "physical" in the flesh friends but maybe they became "internet" friends because of too much "texting" and not enough actual physically meeting?
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yup. anon is dead on.
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This was one of the best I, Anonymous posts I've ever read. I'm going through a similar situation (no one's dead and I'm not young anymore but...), and the last line especially has helped buffer me. I can only control my own actions. I do because it's me, not in negative reaction to other people's neglect.
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I lost my husband last year to complications of cancer and having friends and family to support me through the last year was my life-saver. Some of the not-so-good friends, though, had the same reactions as "bitchslap" and are no longer in my life. Fuck you, dude. I wish I could bitchslap YOU! I hope you someday experience great loss and have no one to comfort you so that you may understand why Anon is so upset. Anon has every reason to be hurt and EVERYONE who actually has good friends, expects those good friends to be there for them in times of crisis, such as losing 3 family members in the course of a week. When no one shows up to show their support and do their damnedest to hold your hand or make you laugh through the hard times, it just makes grief hurt that much more. Learn to have some fucking compassion and stop thinking it's cool to be an asshole.
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I'm sorry for your losses. It must have been devastating. And of course you expect your friends to be there for you. That's what friends are supposed to do- it's their job. I know nothing will make up for your losses, but I hope that you get the comfort that you need. If it gets really bad, think about getting counseling. It sounds like you suffered a tragic, unexpected loss and you could use some help getting through it. If you are religious, getting in touch with your spiritual side can be extremely helpful. If not, poems and self-help books about loss are also good. Make sure to reach out to your family members and talk about what is bothering you. Don't let it get bottled up. Good for you for being so understanding with your friends when they have let you down. They really might not know what you need or what they are supposed to do, so maybe when you are ready you can ask them for some help getting through it. They might not even realize how much you needed them to be there, even though you would think they should know better.
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Man, I almost fell into a coma reading this.
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Did you ever tell your friends you need more? I mean they aren't mind readers and some people want to be alone when they are hurting or just want to talk to people who understand like family. I understand not being able to reach out when you’re hurting but what I don't understand is blaming others when you never told them what you needed or wanted.
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You definitely learn who your friends are when you suffer a major loss. When my mother died, there most of my friends came to the funeral, and checked up on me regularly. There were even people I did not know too well that sent a card or dropped by to pay their respects. But there were a few friends who completely stopped talking to me.

When one of the my supportive friends approached one of the missing in action friends about why he hadn't talked to me since my mother's death, the response was: "I just don't want to deal with the crap he is going through right now" - this was someone who just a year earlier I had helped through his divorce. I had spent the prior three years listening to his obsessive complaining, helped him move his stuff out of his house when he filed the papers, and put him up at my place for a few weeks until he could find his own apartment. At the very least, a simple 'how ya doing?' in the month or two following is not too much to expect from a so-called friend.

Consider this an opportunity to gain some real insights on the people around you and move on. These are the times when you let the deadwood friends fall off.
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A very moving I Anony.

If you have never read The Year Of Magical Thinking by Joan Didion - please do. It is possibly the greatest exploration of grief ever written (no exaggeration) and helped me through a very tough loss of a close (and far too young) friend. In it, Didion writes how death has become essentially unnatural. Where as a few generations ago, death was common place, expected, and there existed well established social norms for handling grief, we now live in a society that has no idea to react to such tragedy and in fact prefers to think it doesn't exist and if it must exist it should be private. To the misfortune of us all and as you found out, that's true. I had friends who were embarrassed, fucking embarrassed, to talk to me because it was too awkward to talk about my friend passing away. I've learned to forgive some of them, those that made an effort and apologized, but I dumped the rest and found people with a little more understanding in the world.

That said, you did of course confront them head on and say "I need your support right now" right? You suffering a loss does not mean other people's lives stop; work, family, errands, bills, they all still exist for everyone else even when they don't for you.
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A very moving I Anony.

If you have never read The Year Of Magical Thinking by Joan Didion - please do. It is possibly the greatest exploration of grief ever written (no exaggeration) and helped me through a very tough loss of a close (and far too young) friend. In it, Didion writes how death has become essentially unnatural. Where as a few generations ago, death was common place, expected, and there existed well established social norms for handling grief, we now live in a society that has no idea to react to such tragedy and in fact prefers to think it doesn't exist. If it must exist it should be private, equal to that of abortion or infidelity. To the misfortune of us all and as you found out, people really do feel that way. I had friends who were embarrassed, fucking embarrassed, to talk to me because it was too awkward to talk about my friend passing away. I've learned to forgive some of them, those that made an effort and apologized, but I dumped the rest and found people with a little more understanding in the world.

That said, you did of course confront them head on and say "I need your support right now" right? Because life stops for us it can be hard to remember that jobs, family, bills, errands, chores did not end for those around us.
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It has nothing to do with age. I am older and recently broke with a "friend" of many years who, though quick to lean on me when she needed something, was always conspicuously absent the few times I really needed help.
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Facebook and Twitter have nothing to do with it. More likely that (a) they have never been in the situation before and didn't know how to react, or (b) They were acquaintances, not friends.

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Sorry for your loss. Having been on both ends of this, this is one of the most insightful I anonymous I have read in ages. The comments, too seem to capture some element that many of us miss. I believe a lot of folks really do want to help, but need instructions. Indeed that was what got me through grief many years ago.
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Heh. With respect, I gotta side with Rotten666: it's easy to blame things on a scapegoat...books, movies, or in this case technology. "The internet kills relationships! Twitter destroys humanity! There's no value in relationships if you can't meet once a week for coffee!" (I moved away from my hometown a while back and can't meet my friends there face-to-face on a regular basis...right now I'm at least six hours away, last year over an ocean. I'm insulted by the implication that my ties to them are devalued simply because I'm unable to meet them physically for reasons beyond my control. As such, compassn? Fuck you.)

But that's nothing to do with the original poster. My condolences on your loss. Losing all of that so quickly must be...hard.
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Anon, that sucks, and I am incredibly sorry to hear that your friends acted like such assholes. Although I did not lose three family members in one week, I had a hellacious summer last year, which included the loss of a job I really loved, a very painful breakup, and later, the death of my grandfather. The friends I most closely associated with at the time took me out to a brunch (after the breakup) and a dinner (after my grandfather died), but were mostly non-existent the rest of the time- so non-existent, in fact, that I had to fly home to Texas to be with my parents after the breakup. Now I am lucky to have an amazing, supportive group of friends that would bend over backwards for me (and I them), for anything and everything.. It took a couple of flakes who I believed were my best friends to make me realize that branching out and meeting new people is not only good for your soul, its good for your well-being. I wish you luck in your search for people who will treat you with the respect and dignity you deserve.
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Lack of training is one reason your friends failed you utterly. Inexperienced kids need to be told what to do, that in the face of feeling useless, they need to reach out anyway.

Also, it's NEVER TOO LATE to respond to someone's loss, even if years have gone by. It's ok to write a letter saying that "i never told you, but I'm sorry about the loss of your father. . ."
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i am so sorry for your loss.

i had the exact opposite thing happen when my mom died. my close circle of friends took great care of me emotionally...it was my "family" that let me down.
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what a modest martyr!!!
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This is the best place to troll. Hilarious all the time.
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This is the best place to troll. Hilarious all the time.
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That's terrible, but maybe you didn't get more support because you are the kind of person who would make someone feel awkward for not responding correctly. Instead of looking for things people DIDN'T do, you should try and be grateful for what people DID do. I am sure someone said something nice to you.
I have had loved ones who have lost loved ones, and sometimes the situation can be a little hard to assess. I always attend the funeral anyway, even if I didn't know the person well, but not everyone is like that. Death makes people very uneasy. When my pregnant stepsister's fiancee was tragically killed, all that came out of my brother's mouth was "Oh, shit. Oh shit I'm so sorry." It may sound bad, but the death was so terrible that's all he could say. He really meant it, too. So don't be so hard on people when they don't know what to do.
Taking note of what people did wrong, or didn't do, is not going to make you feel better. It is most certainly not going to make them feel like they can console you later, either. You're only hurting yourself.
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My father died when I was a teenager and a lot of friends sort of bailed on me as he was wasting away or soon after. I'll always remember those that did a lot for me and were there: my friend's family who rushed me to the airport so I could get to the hospital when things took a turn, the people that let my extended family borrow cars, my grandma's friend who made enough food to feed an army.

But, I don't hold grudges on friends that didn't do much.

How could I? Just a few years prior, a friend of mine got cancer and had to fly to Seattle for treatment frequently. In retrospect I felt like I wasn't really there as much as I should have been for her. We're still friends now and I told her how I felt. A few of her other friends have mentioned this too. She told me she never really felt abandoned or like her friends weren't doing enough. She didn't take it personally.

I think that until you go through something really hard in life, you don't know what it's like. You can't blame close friends for inexperience. You also can't expect to much out of people. Casual acquaintances don't become instant best friends just because your life sucks. Also, for close friends, it can just be too painful. When my father was wasting away, it wasn't just family that had grief but his friends too. Not everyone can do things for you when just they are also grieving.

Anger is normal when bad things happen. But please don't hold a grudge on your friends forever. No one is intentionally trying to hurt you.
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A very true anonymous. I lost my closest loved one last year, and it's true - people these days just don't know how to deal with other's grief sensitively. Although I did get some real life "I'm sorries" and ONE sympathy card, people expected that to be the end. Problem solved, now everything's all fine and dandy. I blame our modern candy-coated culture that teaches people that death is icky and that the only way to deal with it is to pretend it isn't there. People can't acknowledge other's grief because that would mean that they'd be forced with contemplating their own mortality as well. Instead, they just do the minimal that they THINK is socially acceptable and expect you to be over it in a week. Just wait till they start telling you there's something wrong with you if you're still not all good in a month or two.
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Anon----
I, too, am sorry about your losses. My beloved mother died from complications with Parkinson's last summer. My widowed father, who I go to see once a week, is still deeply in grief. Incidentally, my Dad also has Parkinson's (how rare is THAT?!?), and it's going to be very hard for me when he joins Mom in heaven. I'm also sorry to hear about having nobody there to help you through the grieving process.
You have my deepest sympathy. Be comforted in knowing that, although neither of us knows each other from Adam and Eve, that you are not alone.
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oh, and FUCK YOU, bitchslap!
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This reminds me of something I read by an English woman whose friend bought an expensive bouquet to put with the zillions of others when Diana Spencer died, but did nothing when the writer's parents died after being in a coma from an auto accident.

Some people just don't know how to deal with their friends' grief, so they do nothing.
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Anon--You have my condolences for your losses. Please do not listen to the un-empathic assholes on here or the people who chide you for not counting your blessings. I have not experienced any deaths this year, but went through a terrible separation and found out, like you did, who the real friends are. I am the "counselor" among my group of friends and have spent many years listening, caring and supporting. Once I needed those things, poof! a whole bunch of people disappeared--including half the people that stood up with my husband and me at our wedding. What I have learned is that I had a lot of fake friendships where I was putting in most of the effort. Cool, now those folks are gone and I can count on the real friends--the ones who stood unflinchingly by my side through this. They didn't necessarily do or say the "right" things. But they were honest and knew it was ok to say "I don't know what to say". That simple statement means more than awkward silence ever can. I hope some wonderful people who truly care about you come out of the woodwork and those other fuckers fade away into their own unsupported crises.
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What do you expect from a generation of narcissistic, vapid, pop-culture-obsessed twits? 20-somethings have no experience with actual human experience. The closest they come is facebook.
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I knew some SLOGers were assholes but this thread proves that beyond that several of these commenters are just plain bad people. The kind of people i would not want in my life in any fashion. It's ok to be an asshole, but at least be a human.
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Although I am , probably, much older than other responders to this Anon, I believe that the real answer lies in the fact that very few younger people know what the reality of death is. I would wager that very few young people have had to deal with the end of life in any way. They have no real experience. And it is this lack of experience that leads to the absence of any substantive understanding of the grieving process.
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bitchslap, go away.
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bitchslap, go away
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The day my Dad died I drank a twelve pack and passed out. Grief and death is more overwhelming than the unexperienced can bear. It gets better with time, though ten years later and I still cry when I think Father's Day is coming and I have no Dad to thank for the great life he gave me.

Forgive your friends--it's better for you. Some day they will learn when they experience the same thing. And chances are good they will apologize.

The best way to overcome the death of loved ones is to remember the good times and happiness--to celebrate their life, avoid the sadness and negativity. Remember your loved one wants you to be happy. Go find happiness and make them proud.

And I am so sorry for your loss.
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To the author: I agree completely with your insights on technology and empathy, and I am so sorry for your loss.
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I've been through the same thing (both parents passed away at relatively early ages, within six months of each other) though I was fortunate that many of my friends were there for me, and reached out to let me know.

Still, it's one of those things that no one seems to truly understand until they've been through it themselves. Because it's not just about the loss of a loved one, which in itself seems difficult to fathom and deal with. It's also about facing your own mortality, as others here have noted. And nobody wants to go there.

A co-worked who had been through a similar situation as me (parent dying of cancer) pulled me aside one day and said, "You've reached a point in your life that there's no turning back from, and only people who have been through it can really be there for you." I felt like I was being drafted into some sort of dark, secret society. And now I feel a real responsibility to my friends to be there for them when they face the same thing.
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People from Seattle are some of the weirdest, coldest people I've ever met. And not in quirky, endearing ways.

I think you were getting warmer when you mentioned that their parents hadn't taught them how to comfort someone after profound loss. That sounds about right.

Don't blame social media.

I think you need to find some new friends.
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Has anyone seen Amanda?
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I'm deeply sorry for your loss---but it's not this generation, it's that you have tool friends. My friend lost a parent in April (a very, very unexpected suicide) and my friends and I, all early twenty-somethings, called and visited with her as soon as we could---and we continue to do so.

Sometimes people are unsure what to say when times are tough, but that doesn't make what your friends did okay.
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Maybe your "friends" don't actually like you that much.
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Maybe your friends don't care about you very much. It seems somehow more likely and less sensational than blaming "social media" all at once. I don't go out of my way to console people who I don't feel very close to because I know that if it were me, I would not want them to do that. So reconsider "blanketing them in the compassion you never knew" (oh man) -- they probably want it from their real friends, not you.
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I lost my Mom and got the same reaction from my so called friends and that was almost 30 years ago. So it's not the latest generation, it's Americans in general. I am so sorry for your losses and for a very hard life lesson.
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I sympathize with your loss, and I concur with others that have said that dealing with death gets easier over time. I lost a best friend and my grandfather when I was nine (Grandfather to cancer, best friend to an accident,) and many others as time has passed on, so when my cousin died a few weeks ago, the certainty of death just didn't have the sting it once did.

That doesn't mean that I wasn't sad, but the grief just wasn't very strong for me... yet that didn't change the fact that it was for the rest of my family, so I stood by them and gave my strenght to them, and reminded them that Gabriel was now free from the pains of suffering (he had been half paralyzed for ten years.)

Remember that our time is always short no matter how long we have, so either forgive your friends or move on, but leave your anger behind no matter what.
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You condemn your friends for their lack of real interaction and blame it on their impersonal mode of staying connected by going onto an anonymous blog and wanking about them. Self-reflect much you hypocrite?
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You condemn your friends for their lack of real interaction and blame it on their impersonal mode of staying connected by going onto an anonymous blog and wanking about them. Self-reflect much you hypocrite?
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This is not a matter of hypocrisy, condemning, real interaction, and ect; it's about realization. Truth is: There is no moving on after a major loss. Fact is: When you lose someone close to you, you change, that's the moving on part. My father committed suicide when I was sixteen. Every one wanted to smother me with affection. I was suicidal myself for years. He left me an email a day before he committed the unthinkable saying "I leave my life in your hands." Sixteen years old... What can you make of this at the time? I remember thinking "this is a cry for help." I also remember thinking "he doesn't have the balls" because I know how hard it is to actually do yourself in. I've never told my mother or brother this. Why? It's in fact irrelevant. I was mad for a long time, then sad after he killed himself. I never wanted peoples sympathy because I know for a fact that you have to deal with it yourself... There is no one to fall on, blame or help only yourself. Someone mentioned the fact that "you find out who your real friends are." This is true all the ones that smothered me with sympathy and affection I no longer associate with. What does that say? I'm cold? Since I'm a "Leo," in astro-psychology sense, this makes sense. Then again I don't believe in self-fulfilling prophecy neither. Back to my father now... I'm glad he killed himself sometimes, thinking selfishly, it was either me or him. Unfortunately this is my realization now. Facts are there... The only thing we can or hope to do in this life is to make realizations for ourselves and maybe others can make and decide more from yours. That's the interconnected world we live in. Stoicism, Greek Philosophies, state "It is important to become an unbiased thinker." And when you do you see the duality in the natural world. Yin and Yang if you will, Life/Death, Love/Hate, Men/Women... I see this everyday, but a fact is you can't savor emotion in New Times Roman text as someone stated above, but at least you get half of the point of it, I'll assume. Physically being there does not matter in my eyes. Emotionally I'm sure your close friends are and that's the only thing that really matters. The only thing physically that does matter is, and this may sound cold, being this world is so unaware and disconnected; is I'm truly sorry for your loss, in my eyes, your loved one's pain and troubles are over. "No one is afraid of death, only the thought of death." Being that if you are religious and you think your loved one is going to heaven or hell... This is only half the truth, because I see heaven and I see hell everyday just by being alive. I believe when you die you leave this world with just as much as you came in to it with... Nothing and you go back to as much as you were... Nothing. Reincarnation you could say. But Overall my ranting, raving and rambling, it is important that you make some realizations and truth for yourself. Just be thankful you experienced what little time we have on this planet with your loved one. Sorry and I hope this helps.
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This is not a matter of hypocrisy, condemning, real interaction, and ect; it's about realization. Truth is: There is no moving on after a major loss. Fact is: When you lose someone close to you, you change, that's the moving on part. My father committed suicide when I was sixteen. Every one wanted to smother me with affection. I was suicidal myself for years. He left me an email a day before he committed the unthinkable saying "I leave my life in your hands." Sixteen years old... What can you make of this at the time? I remember thinking "this is a cry for help." I also remember thinking "he doesn't have the balls" because I know how hard it is to actually do yourself in. I've never told my mother or brother this. Why? It's in fact irrelevant. I was mad for a long time, then sad after he killed himself. I never wanted peoples sympathy because I know for a fact that you have to deal with it yourself... There is no one to fall on, blame or help only yourself. Someone mentioned the fact that "you find out who your real friends are." This is true all the ones that smothered me with sympathy and affection I no longer associate with. What does that say? I'm cold? Since I'm a "Leo," in astro-psychology sense, this makes sense. Then again I don't believe in self-fulfilling prophecy neither. Back to my father now... I'm glad he killed himself sometimes, thinking selfishly, it was either me or him. Unfortunately this is my realization now. Facts are there... The only thing we can or hope to do in this life is to make realizations for ourselves and maybe others can make and decide more from yours. That's the interconnected world we live in. Stoicism, Greek Philosophies, state "It is important to become an unbiased thinker." And when you do you see the duality in the natural world. Yin and Yang if you will, Life/Death, Love/Hate, Men/Women... I see this everyday, but a fact is you can't savor emotion in New Times Roman text as someone stated above, but at least you get half of the point of it, I'll assume. Physically being there does not matter in my eyes. Emotionally I'm sure your close friends are and that's the only thing that really matters. The only thing physically that does matter is, and this may sound cold, being this world is so unaware and disconnected; is I'm truly sorry for your loss, in my eyes, your loved one's pain and troubles are over. "No one is afraid of death, only the thought of death." Being that if you are religious and you think your loved one is going to heaven or hell... This is only half the truth, because I see heaven and I see hell everyday just by being alive. I believe when you die you leave this world with just as much as you came in to it with... Nothing and you go back to as much as you were... Nothing. Reincarnation you could say. But Overall my ranting, raving and rambling, it is important that you make some realizations and truth for yourself. Just be thankful you experienced what little time we have on this planet with your loved one. Sorry and I hope this helps.
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that was so true, moving, and grounded. it's a shame what passes for communication these days. take care, & hopefully your friends will learn, too.
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I don't believe it's a generational thing, or a technology thing. My sister (b. 1970) has a much wider definition of "friends" than I ever did in my floppiest, drunkest, highest moments. I'm also reminded of a douchebag trader in NY who said to a reporter on 9/11, "I lost like 200 friends today".

If you define "friend" as someone who cares enough about you to want to be around when times are bad, then you're gonna have to part ways with Facebook et al.

Social networking is shit. I despise it, think it's the worst thing to ever become popular on the Internet--and I remember some real stinkers.
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People from seattle largley suck and are shallow and cold not cool. They respond to things like the jerk off that shouldnt have been born Mr. Bitch slap and his kind. You have to weed out the flakes and find the the friends that keep it real. I have lived all over the world and have found that good friends are are good people. The red flags for all the other jack asses should be noted the same as if your were dating... You just dont want to have bad people who are not friends around you in good times to suck you down and dry and then desert you in bad times because ....they are parasites..The only thing these people give are desease and soul rot. Cast them off to oblivion where they can die alone in there own moral gutter.
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Anon, You're very right that young people usually lack the knowledge or awareness of how to reach out to grieving friends. Their parents didn't tell them and they haven't experienced significant losses themselves. And yet, a few do know - some from personal tradegies, some from good instruction and some from their empathic sense of your situation and needs.

When our infant son died, we were devastated and had a huge variety of reactions from friends and community members. Thinking back, all the people who said, "I don't know how you're feeling . . " actually DID. They were the empathic or sensitive ones who called, came by, and knew that simply being present at a time when nothing can fix it or make it better, does help.

And those who said, "I know exactly what you're going through . . . " would proceed to say some fool thing like, "my great aunt is really sick" or "my cat died last year" or "you must be happy he's with Jesus now."

But I'd suggest not writing off the friends who were distant. They likely simply didn't know what to say ("You're in my thoughts."), or do (give you a hug, call you up, take a walk together). They'll learn, but probably not until their own significant loss.

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