Columns May 14, 2009 at 4:00 am

Foolproof

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Be careful with a diaphragm. I used one and it nearly killed me -- there's a one in 200,000 risk of toxic shock syndrome. This risk is real. No pregnancies, though!
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Just a comment for "Life Decisions": take Dan's advice and look for another therapist. I've known many therapists, counselors, psychiatrists et al through my job and my own therapy work. Most of them tend to get into the business of helping others with their emotional issues because THEY have had serious emotional issues in their own life. Some of them are still working through their issues while helping others. My point is not to look at therapists as some kind of absolute authority on emotional or moral values. They are just human, each with his or her own unique personality. Keep looking until you find someone that 'clicks' with you.
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PILL! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DONT!! my first boyfriend talked me into doing it without a condom. and guess what? first bloody PAP i had, turns out i got HPV from him. some forms are inivisible. also, a person can be contagious without showing signs. but let me tell you, it is REALLY hard to tell people that you want to sleep with that you MIGHT have an std. REALLY HARD. and it is horrifyingly easy to get one these days. take it from a girl who's been there.

WRAP IT UP OR YOU WILL REGRET IT ONE DAY!!!

i can promise you that.
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Oh geez - why waste two seconds on a guy who puts his squeamishness ahead of your health? I understand young men (and young-old men) aren't always mature about this, but condoms aren't a sex lesson you can opt out of these days.

My boyfriend doesn't like condoms either, but he committed to getting used to them once we realized I shouldn't be taking ANY hormonal birth control due to regular aural migraines + family history of stroke. With this combo, hormones would increase stroke risk 2-3 times for me. Ladies, ask your doctor about this if you get migraines, because I was prescribed pills/nuvaring by several who did not check! (And as for IUD, I would if I could, but my uterus has been measured to be slightly too small... crap!)

Anyway - bottom line is that your priority at age 17 is to find what works for you. Your bf will learn to come just fine with condoms, and realize it's the least he can do in return for sex and your health. If he occasionally still has trouble, perhaps from jacking off too much lately to retain any sensitivity, there are many other ways to help. Have fun!
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I'm surprised that no one on here has mentioned Fertility Awareness Method. No, not the "rhythm method" or "naturally family planning" but the highly effective form of birth control you can read about in Toni Weschler's "Taking Charge of your Fertility" Not that I would recommend it to someone as young as 16. I'd vote for outercourse at that age, but why are people always trying to say that condoms don't diminish sensation? Yes, they are cheap(ish), effective, and prevent many STDs, but they make intercourse half the fun. So yeah, condoms and are the solution for anything but an exclusive LTR between mature adults, but why kid people: they are not fun.
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She IS a dumb bitch, no question about it. Add "fake" to that list and you've completely described our Miss California.

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I would agree with most people that PILL and her bf should probably go with condoms. Two other options I haven't seen mentioned would be the contraceptive sponge (currently available for purchase on the internet) or spermicides. The effectiveness of either method is lower than most of the other methods but both are at least much better than the Bristol Palin method- wishful thinking and prayer.

But Geez...some people here are being awfully harsh on PILL's bf for disliking condoms. Many, perhaps most men, myself included, do not like condoms. Some people might find that they aren't a big issue and don't significantly affect the sensations. The vast majority of these people seem to be women. I successfully used a variety of condoms with and without lubes for years with a number of partners. Successful in terms of no unintended pregnancies but I frequently had a struggle to reach climax with one on. My best comparison for women- it's about like wearing latex gloves to cuddle with a newborn baby. Sure, you get the general sense of what's going on but the details and nuance are all gone. Better than not having sex at all, but not by much.
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@111: Yeah, I don't "like" taking medicinal contraception either (currently considering getting an IUD).

I do apologize for the curt way this is coming out, but plenty of women struggle to reach climax using a variety of methods. Wonder how that feels.

It's fantastic lots of couples can work out a compromise that works for both sides, but considering the cost (financial and physiological) of hormonal contraceptives and the punishment of unprotected sex, I think most people would shut their mouths and deal with "struggling" that can come with condoms. (Hell, I can't finish at all with intercourse -- condom or no condom.)

People are being harsh on PILL not because he dislikes condoms, but because he's basically putting all the burden of contraception on his girlfriend, and willing to risk her well-being for his own pleasure. What he thinks and what he feels *are* very important, but not next to her risking her health. That's not a good guy, whatever his preferences.
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I'm tired of reading all of these comments about the boyfriend just sucking it up and using a condom because, hey, he'll learn to cum just fine with them. That's not always true. I've been a "mastubatory tool" for years because of the whole condom thing. I've never had much sensitivity in my penis and once you throw that condom on I have about zero. I can enjoy fucking my partner because of the joy that they are having, but I'm not going to get off no matter how long we fuck. However, I use the condoms when the situation calls for it. For their pleasure. This isn't a mental trip. It's a physical fact for me and the hundreds of times I've been someone's "dildo" hasn't changed that.

Unfortunately, it's often meant I have to fake an orgasm of my own and make sure my partner never sees the condom afterward. Too many people get hung up on the idea that you can't get off by fucking them. Then you have them feeling guilty or giving you guilt trips. When they can just accept that I can't get off with the condom, but that I'm still having fun then things go smoothly. That's when it can get really hot and nasty and all those other things that Dan talked about get thrown in to the equation.

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But I have it on good authority that abstinence rules! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd5cjOlv_…

Here's the thing about outercourse et al. as foolproof: it ceases to be foolproof if the hot-and-botheredness it produces makes the kids say "oh, what the hell" and go ahead with coitus. (Especially a problem if they'd told themselves, "we're only doing manual and oral, no need to keep condoms on hand".) Now, I'm all in favor of selling people on the safer pleasures. But a lot of people don't find them as satisfying as coitus, and don't feel the same visceral drive to engage in them, even if they haven't been taught that sex is coitus or nothing.

If it's unrealistic to tell kids "hey, no sexual activity!", then I don't see that it's any more realistic to say, "hey, all the sexual activity you want, except that at the crucial moment you must resist the behavior your gonads are begging you to do!".
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But I have it on good authority that abstinence rules! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd5cjOlv_…

Here's the thing about outercourse et al. as foolproof: it ceases to be foolproof if the hot-and-botheredness it produces makes the kids say "oh, what the hell" and go ahead with coitus. (Especially a problem if they'd told themselves, "we're only doing manual and oral, no need to keep condoms on hand".) Now, I'm all in favor of selling people on the safer pleasures. But a lot of people don't find them as satisfying as coitus, and don't feel the same visceral drive to engage in them, even if they haven't been taught that sex is coitus or nothing.

If it's unrealistic to tell kids "hey, no sexual activity!", then I don't see that it's any more realistic to say, "hey, all the sexual activity you want, except that at the crucial moment you must resist the behavior your gonads are begging you to do!".
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But I have it on good authority that abstinence rules! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd5cjOlv_…

Here's the thing about outercourse et al. as foolproof: it ceases to be foolproof if the hot-and-botheredness it produces makes the kids say "oh, what the hell" and go ahead with coitus. (Especially a problem if they'd told themselves, "we're only doing manual and oral, no need to keep condoms on hand".) Now, I'm all in favor of selling people on the safer pleasures. But a lot of people don't find them as satisfying as coitus, and don't feel the same visceral drive to engage in them, even if they haven't been taught that sex is coitus or nothing.

If it's unrealistic to tell kids "hey, no sexual activity!", then I don't see that it's any more realistic to say, "hey, all the sexual activity you want, except that at the crucial moment you must resist the behavior your gonads are begging you to do!".
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But I have it on good authority that abstinence rules! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd5cjOlv_

Here's the thing about outercourse et al. as foolproof: it ceases to be foolproof if the hot-and-botheredness it produces makes the kids say "oh, what the hell" and go ahead with coitus. (Especially a problem if they'd told themselves, "we're only doing manual and oral, no need to keep condoms on hand".) Now, I'm all in favor of selling people on the safer pleasures. But a lot of people don't find them as satisfying as coitus, and don't feel the same visceral drive to engage in them, even if they haven't been taught that sex is coitus or nothing.

If it's unrealistic to tell kids "hey, no sexual activity!", then I don't see that it's any more realistic to say, "hey, all the sexual activity you want, except that at the crucial moment you must resist the behavior your gonads are begging you to do!".
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DAMN IT I reloaded the page like 5 times over 5 minutes to see if it had posted and it said it hadn't. What the hell. Apologies.
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@64-- And I'm sick of people telling me I need to fill myself full of hormones even if I'm using condoms and/or an IUD. I'd rather have one or more abortions than live that way, so MYOFB.
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There is one consideration with the IUD: as I found with my wife, in certain positions it becomes a bit uncomfortable, as in my dick scrapes against it. Not very pleasant. You just have to switch positions, but it's still not totally in the background. (As far as I know, we are both "normal" in terms of equipment, and she's been checked out by the OB-GYN and the IUD is seated properly.) Just FYI.
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I've been with several men who couldn't cum with a condom on, but I never took it personally, he would usually just take the condom off and either I or he would jerk him off. I get a bonus cause I just like watching it happen!
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Dan i really hope you retract your statement that anal sex cant get you pregnant. The liquids we secrete before sex aren't just there to lube us up. They're like a stretchy stringy rollercoaster ride for sperm (which is present in precome as well). I would hate to see a bunch of teens getting pregnant because of your advice. In this particular case the girl should just DTMFA on the basis that a) he should be happy he's even gettin some; and b) any guy who refuses to wear a condom doesn't respect you and is endangering your health.
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@PILL
I too had an age difference in one of my relationships (bigger than yours and your boyfriend's) and my partner wasn't ready for full-on intercourse. So we didn't do it. We did lots of other things until he trusted me enough to attempt it, and since it wasn't so good for him the first time, we took it slow some more until we tried it again. On the other hand the non-intercourse sex I had with him was some of the best I've ever had! Dan gives lots of good suggestions but the main trick is to be creative, find your partner's erogenous zones and above all allow it to be intense, really get into the other person and let yourself be swept up in their reactions and make sure they do the same. Sex, at least good sex, is at least as much about the intense sharing of your body and emotions with someone else as it is about the specific physical thing you do in bed. For instance, SM, very intense, but not necessarily any kind of intercourse - not that I'm suggesting you try SM (unless you're into that sort of thing), it's just meant as an example of how things can get extremely intense without intercourse.
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@113 You know, about 70% of women are never able to have an orgasm from vaginal intercourse alone, so maybe you can invite the rest of us to your pity party. That's not the point though, because your case is pretty rare while teenage boys who expect their girlfriends to cater to them during sex are unfortunately rather common. All too many women had to deal with the experience of a guy not wanting to use a condom just because it feels slightly less good and then whining, cajoling, coercing her in hopes of having sex anyway. I won't be hard on this dude if he is fine with outercourse only as a result of not wanting to wear condoms, or if he legitimately can feel nothing while wearing one, but given only the small bit of information that "he doesn't like them" the commenters here went with what happens the majority of the time this conversation takes place.

And while we're in the realm of Things Teenage Boyfriends Tend To Do: 17-year-old ladies, don't let your boyfriends talk you into giving them BJs and never going down on you because he "doesn't like it" and don't let him get away with having an orgasm time and again while leaving you with none because "it's really hard" or "I'm sleepy now." I've heard all these stories from too many women and it's getting old.
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@113 You know, about 70% of women are never able to have an orgasm from vaginal intercourse alone, so maybe you can invite the rest of us to your pity party. That's not the point though, because your case is pretty rare while teenage boys who expect their girlfriends to cater to them during sex are unfortunately rather common. All too many women had to deal with the experience of a guy not wanting to use a condom just because it feels slightly less good and then whining, cajoling, coercing her in hopes of having sex anyway. I won't be hard on this dude if he is fine with outercourse only as a result of not wanting to wear condoms, or if he legitimately can feel nothing while wearing one, but given only the small bit of information that "he doesn't like them" the commenters here went with what happens the majority of the time this conversation takes place.

And while we're in the realm of Things Teenage Boyfriends Tend To Do: 17-year-old ladies, don't let your boyfriends talk you into giving them BJs and never going down on you because he "doesn't like it" and don't let him get away with having an orgasm time and again while leaving you with none because "it's really hard" or "I'm sleepy now." I've heard all these stories from too many women and it's getting old.
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For PILL:

Different people have different hormonal levels, and different birth control pills have different hormonal levels. If the hormone level in the pill is incompatible with your personal hormone level, you may experience side effects. A pill with a more compatible hormone level will likely alleviate these side effects.

For example, I've had pills that reduce my sex drive and pills that increase my sex drive. I've had pills that give me acne and pills that cure my acne.

Go to your doctor or clinic, tell them which pills you've tried and what side effects they gave you, and see if they can prescribe you something better. I'd recommend trying at least three different formulations before writing off the entire method of birth control.
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The Mirena IUD is used by many, many women in Europe; it secretes a very localized hormone so it doesn't make you into a nutcase. I've had one for eight years and -- after the first six weeks -- turned my ten-day periods into one-day periods. Very nice! No PMS! Nonstop libido! And THEN you combine it with a condom.
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For LD: As a student finishing up my doctorate in psychology I have seen that the new generation of psychologists are much more informed about the roll of sex in relationship, polyamory, LGBT issues, and the open relationship. So maybe LD needs to see a younger therapist because I have found we tend to be more open minded, informed, and accepting than our middle aged+ colleagues. Basically, I want people to realize there are therapists that will help you make any type of healthy relationship work, you just have to meet your therapist match.
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Here's a funny t-shirt, perfect for the faith-based abstinence is the only way crowd:
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/members/prod…

It says "How can someone argue abstinence is 100% effective when they worship a man born of a virgin?
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Here's a funny t-shirt, perfect for the faith-based abstinence is the only way crowd:
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/members/prod…

It says "How can someone argue abstinence is 100% effective when they worship a man born of a virgin?
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Dan the Man!!!
Once again, you score a direct bullseye on your advice to
LD, BOYS, and PILL!!

Miss CA, you truly ARE a dumb bitch!

Keep on rocking the house, Dan!
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My advice to Pill.

Asking for sex help at 17 shows you're smarter than me and most of the population at 20 or 30. Dan's advice is amazing again this week. But there's more.

You and all teenagers should have a low cost plan B pill just in case. Have someone over 18 get it if your region still has that restriction. Volunteer for pro-choice groups if that is your side of things. I got one as part of a secret shopper to rat out evil pharmacists. When the condom broke, no drama, she took the pill and period came a bit early and a bit more heavy. But who really knows if the change was random or plan B related. Next period was average.

Sex can be totally wonderful with the right condom and lube. I'm a male and I love condoms. I've never had an STD and had 20 partners, some just for a night. No unintended pregnancy either. When I was younger the condom prevented me from premature ejac. On some occasions things dry up or go wrong, just take off the condom, get him hard again using one of the 4 hands in the room. He will never forget you telling him to come on your chest. He'll think of it every 5 minutes for the next 2 weeks and then taper off somewhat.

At 17 you should be able to go to a sex shop and buy a wide variety of condoms and wide variety of tiny lube packets. If not just send cash to good vibrations in SF. They have a student discount and I'm sure the staff person will cut you a break if you say you are a college student in a low income area with no access. Leave out your age FYI. Have the return address go somewhere safe if your parents don't approve.

I don't know why condoms don't come in a dual foil or plastic packet, condom on one side, lube on the other. You need both. Condom without lube is going to be very so-so to plain old awful for most couples.

Send a letter with cash to good vibrations asking for a low income starter pack with 2 of each condom and mini lube pack. You'll have a ton of fun. If your boyfriend does not like the idea Dump him asap. There are lots of other boys your age who meet your long and short term sexual and interpersonal needs and would die to serve you.

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San Francisco, CA 94110

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my tops pics: Skinless Crown, Kimono Micro thin, lifestyles Skyn, Paradise Super Sensitive, Trojan Magnum, Trojan Magnum XL

lube: Liquid Silk, Astroglide

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Personally I wish everyone would simply let the Miss California thing die a natural death - it simply isn't important or newsworthy. Of course Trump kept her, didn't he do exactly the same thing with a previous drunk title winner a few years back? The beauty pageant business has (thankfully) being tanking for the past 10 or so years and even with all of his money Trump couldn't possibly afford the publicity he is receiving for free via this stupid blonde. So of course, being the wise businessman he is, Trump is absolutely going to do whatever it takes to keep stoking the flames of this non-news story. I live in Ohio and received two robo-calls from Miss California requesting money and to collect signatures (for what we already have a law banning gay marriage in Ohio) for the wackos at the anti-gay hate group. I suggest that Miss CA give Anita Bryant a call and asked her what positive effect her battle of hatred had on her career and marriage back in the '70's - if you want to do tent revivals and backwoods barn raisings for the rest of your life then I guess you're on the right career path because I can assure you that wherever you go from here on out your audience will be outnumbered by gay supporters protesting your appearance.
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Pill :

You're a teen - but believe me you'll encounter this kind of "problem" all your life. You don't have to ingest medication if it's wrong with you. Many women don't use the pill. I'm a 35yo female and I don't : no unwanted pregnancies.

You're both young. You don't want a baby now, you don't want STIs. A condom is the best solution. Don't use a UID : it's for women who already have had all the babies they wanted, it can jeopardize your fertility.

You'll do a good deed if you make the boyfriend use and like condoms. Because, for most of his life, he's gonna have to use a condom for sex - or else he'll end up with STIs and/or on Maury and/or like the Duggars. A guy, that won't put a condom on, and then complains he's been tricked when he has an unwanted kid, beggars belief. Let the boyfriend not become this kind of loser. If he insists on being one, DTMFA.

Try different condoms, play with them and lube, until you're both comfortable with it during outercourse. Don't rush to intercourse, explore your bodies first, you'll get much more pleasure from that (oral sex is great) than from a plain, stupid, botched intercourse. Believe me... years of boring intercourse until I met a guy that was more interested in me having pleasure than in him ejaculating inside me as soon as he could.

And #132 is totally right : get a plan B pill as a precaution. Sometimes the condom slips. As far as I know those pills are not contraceptive, if you're already pregnant it won't kill the egg. But if you're not yet pregnant, you won't be. I've used it twice. Early periods, that's all.
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I can't believe anyone is upset by Miss California. Good Grief she is MISS CALIFORNIA in the MISS AMERCIA BEAUTY PAGENT.

What did you all expect, a Stanford Doctoral Candidate?

I can't believe anyone here actually watched the Miss America contest. Wasn't Survivor Appalachia on?

And what's with Perez Hilton? Why is he so ashamed of his real name that he takes the name of a Three Star Hotel Chain?
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Amazing work today Dan. Love the one about Bristol Palin. As a fierce advocate for comprehensive sexual education, I totally agree with that. Can't believe she has the audacity to tell people what to do. No way!!!! Abstinence prevents pregnancy??? WOW!!!!
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To Dan & LD---The letter is so vague and coy, I have to wonder what those "needs" are: a decent orgasm from a partner?, kink? something in between, perhaps? The therapist may be a prude, but the therapist may be picking up on something else. Clearly, there are straight couples that do fine in open relationships--witness all the swingers clubs, high profile people like Warren Buffett (who has a wife and a companion), etc. Yet, most actually straight couples I've known with open relationships have either divorced or closed the relationship (just one case of that and they had teen age kids and had been together for years). These arrangements require trust and a tolerance for inequity of sorts (someone getting more than someone else). Trust seems to be the biggest problem--like the grad school classmate who hooked-up with the one of the wife's best friends and no one told the wife. So maybe the therapsit is an asshole or maybe the hubbie isn't trustworthy or the wife has no idea what she's in for; regardless, this was a situation that begged for questions (which Dan sometimes does), not a flip answer.
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Why do people find it so shocking that gay guys (even the ones "who should know better") get mean and nasty with people like Miss California?

Would it surprise you to learn that a black person might become so angry that he/she (gasp) becomes impolite when responding to someone who politely advocates segregation and anti-miscegenation laws?

Are Jews expected to "keep it civil" with polite Nazis?

For gays and lesbians, the things these idiots are talking about aren't "beliefs" or "issues"; they're our fucking lives. And damn straight, I do hate people who think I'm less than human. Even when they make their case politely.
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Dan! What about all the other birth control options? C'mon, at least refer her to planned parenthood or something..they can tell her all about diaphragms & spermicide, the IUD, the depo shot (though I wouldn't recommend it) & yes, get a back up prescription for Plan B.
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what pisses me off is the fact that Miss California is saying that she's a) paid a price for speaking her mind and b) that her right to freedom of speech is being attacked.

Ummm... no honey. Ask 10 people if they know even the first name of the woman who WON the Miss USA title. Or if even five people know what state she is from. EVERYONE knows who Carrie Prejean is. EVERYONE. And she's getting speaking engagements, book deals, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. What price is it again that she's paid? The toils of fame?

Secondly NO ONE has infringed on her freedom of speech. She is allowed to open her damned fool mouth as much as she wants to. She is, however, not allowed to censor the opinions coming from the people who disagree with her, and that seems to be what she wants. She wants to be a hero for standing up for opposite marriage, but if anyone says boo about it? Well, they're just being unfair, and it shouldn't happen in her America. Except if you're the Dixie Chicks. I mean, isn't that what the internet is for? You wanna be a public figure, well, you'd better get used to criticism. Especially when you're roundly criticizing what? 10% or so of the population?

Welcome to grown up land, honey. You sure can say whatever you want, but that means that I can say whatever *I* want too. And we both have to accept the consequences.
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interesting, your comment on bill maher that miss california was in bed with the low brow knuckle dragging right!!
i suppose its better to be aligned with men who's life revolves around inserting their dicks in other mens rectums. so much for your credibility.
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"I don't think anyone should ever use an iud. The chances you might get pregnant are low. However if you do the chances of carrying that child to term with out defects are even lower. And no this isn't 70s jugdement of a birth control method. This is a jugdement based on the fact that 5 years ago I got pregnant while on this safe birth control. It ending up that the iud broke my water at 21 weeks, gave me and infection that almost killed me. So not only did that thing destroy one life but damn near left my other 2 children without a mother"

Umm... I haven't researched this but maybe you are supposed to have the IUD removed once you get pregnant?
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Also, I think it's effing stupid the first thing everyone suggests is that she should blow him.

We don't even know whether or not the girl LIKES giving blowjobs. For some, vaginal sex is much more enjoyable.

The activities and safety precautions they take should be a mutual negotiations between the partners. Prescribed rules just don't work, especially when they seem to be resting on this old assumption that the guy has to get off. (but what the girl wants is not asked)
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I wish someone would take your sorry ass and drop it off in the middle of a Taliban run regime and see if your fucking oooh poor poor detainees remain as endearing to your liberal tree hugging heart. Maybe if you lose an arm or leg or GOD forbid (yes I said GOD)your life or your lovers life at the hands of one of them you might be whistleing a different tune out of your overstreached asshole.
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What's up with all the "open minded" poly-friendly therapists who are enabling people to fuck up their relationships? Where is it written that we should expect to get all of our needs met all the time? What's wrong with a brutally, yet non-fatally honest "I'm not that into you. Have a nice life." ?? Why do we think we can have our cock and pussy too and walk away feeling ok about ourselves? I'm sorry but I don't sympathize. Committed means committed. If you can't handle monogamy, have the decency to say so from the outset.

To PILL: Girls mature faster than boys for a reason. Use it to your advantage. His excuses are lame (as in useless, not as in crippled.). If he's got sensitivity issues, tell him to quit jacking off for a week and try it again. Either way, you got the pussy, he want the pussy, make him work for it.
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I wish someone would take your sorry ass and drop it off in the middle of a Taliban run regime and see if your fucking oooh poor poor detainees remain as endearing to your liberal tree hugging heart. Maybe if you lose an arm or leg or GOD forbid (yes I said GOD)your life or your lovers life at the hands of one of them you might be whistleing a different tune out of your overstreached asshole.
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Tell PILL that impregnation is not the ONLY problem, that any kind of anal or vaginal insertion carries the risk of STDs. So PILL's boyfriend has to get over the condom problem, as the rest of us have had to do. Unless she knows her boyfriend is in a stainless steel cage, and can't bring anything back home, condoms are a way of life.
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RE: "The truth is you can be both intimate with and fully committed to more than one partner, or be committed to one partner and have sex with others."

Polygamy, right?
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RE: "The truth is you can be both intimate with and fully committed to more than one partner, or be committed to one partner and have sex with others."

Polygamy, right?
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Did anyone hear Miss Cali say that Satan was tempting her to lie? It baffles me the things people can say that nobody bats an eyelash over because they're said in the name of religion. What if she had said "the jolly green giant is tempting me to lie," then you'd see her out of a job! But nooooooooo. It's "Satan."
Frankly I think Satan gets a bad wrap.
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I'm still reeling from the fact that Dan, who always, ALWAYS, remembers to caution about HIV or STDs neglected to mention them even once to PILL

IMO, each partner should see to BC. I completely understand about PILL not being able to tolerate BC Pills (due to medical reasons, neither can I) but their are other options out there. Try to Diaphram or something similar to deal with both STDs and Pregnancy. She should talk with her OB/GYN. Even if they like to prescribe the pill, if she puts her foot down on it, they have to discuss with her other options (or better yet, find a different OB/GYN!!). It's always a good idea to visit with one and talk to a doctor BEFORE thinking about having sex.

The guy should also provide his own BC method for both the STD and Pregnancy issue. The only way you'll ever be sure it's done right is if you do it yourself. How does he know that a year or 10 years down the road that the girl is really on the pill?? How does the guy know that any girl is really clean?? or visa versa. Remember, even with HIV, if you are tested early, sometimes it won't show. It can take around 6 months for a test to come back positive, meanwhile you could be spreading it around and not know. There are too many STDs out there and who knows when the next newest one will show up or what it will be?? Diseases change, new ones are found. Plain and simple, be smart people. If something doesn't work for you, look around, talk to a doctor (yes guys, you can talk to your doc too!). And if your desires for sexual protection aren't being fufilled with your partner, consider it a differnce in belifes, and look for someone who is compatible with you in that same department.
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Weighing in on the IUD:

I have a Paragard (copper) IUD and it's worked fabulously. The first six months or so (yeah, six months) blew in terms of the pain and the length of my periods, but in July I'll have had it for a year and my last few periods have been totally, completely normal - and when you think about 6 months in the context of 10 years of hassle-free, reversible birth control, that is totally fucking awesome.

And, since I'm not currently long-term monogamous I still use condoms! It's just nice to not have to run out for the morning-after pill if problems arise. IT IS TOTALLY PRACTICAL AS A BACK-UP METHOD, AS PRACTICAL AS THE PILL. I'm surprised no one's made that comparison. Only for long-term relationships my ass - although I was in one when it was originally inserted, which is probably why they were willing to give it to me.

That said, yeah, PILL, don't fuck him without a condom - and I agree with what one above poster said about teaching him that insensitive jerks don't get laid. But I think the outercourse advice is spot-on anyway.

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PILL has other good birth control options too--the levonorgesterol IUD (Mirena)is the most effective birth control out there and has the added benefit of reducing her menstrual symptoms, it's also the most popular method for femal OBGYNs and Midwives. The copper IUD (Paragard) is also very effective though without the benefit of a reduction in menstrual symptoms. There's also the Nuva ring, a progesterone only ring that sits right in her vaginal canal. Though both the Mirena and the Nuva ring have hormones in them they only have progesterone (not estrogen which causes most of the unpleasant side effects) and at much smaller doses than the oral contraceptive pill. Plus the hormones in Mirena and Nuva ring act only locally, not systemically (as with the pill) so there are very few side effects. These methods are not only effective, they don't require you to remember your pill on a daily basis.
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I think this thread shows it would be a good idea for Dan to do a whole column on IUDs, to help dispell the rampant misinformation the general public holds about them still. Iuds do not threaten your fertility any more than anything else, are perfectly fine for teenagers, better in fact as they remove the user error associated with using other methods. They do not make periods worse for the majority of users, but even if there is some increased bleeding and cramps, I'd take that over the mood swings, depression, migraines that pills can cause in some women, and constant hassle of taking pills every day. But that's just me.
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THE MIRENA IUD IS HORRIBLE....PLEASE DONT SUGGEST ANYONE TO GET IT, AND IF THEY ARE SEEKING SO, TO PLEASE GO ONLINE AND READ BOTH PRO AND ANTI VIEWS. MY DR, LIKE MANY OTHERS, TOLD ME IT WAS THE BEST CHOICE AND THE SIDE EFFECTS WERE SLIM TO NONE. YET AS SOON AS I LEFT THE DR'S OFFICE I WAS BLEEDING CRAMPING, AND THROWING UP IF I TOOK JUST THE SMALLEST BITE OF FOODS. CONCURRENTLY, I HAD A FOUL SMELLING BROWNISH DISCHARGE WHICH RUINED MANY OF MY PRIZED LINGERIE.I HAD TO BATHE THREE TIMES A DAY. THEN THE BLOATING FEELING, FACIAL HAIR, ACNE, AND MOOD SWINGS WERE ANOTHER REASON IT HAD TO GO. I HAD THE THING IN FOR THREE MONTHS BEFORE I COULD GET IT TAKEN OUT. WHY SO LONG? WELL THE FIRST COUPLE VISITS THE DR COULDNT FIND IT. SO I HAD TO HAVE IT SURGICALLY REMOVED, WHICH WAS EVEN MORE DEVASTATING. I HAVE HEARD GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE PARAGUARD BUT ONLY BECAUSE IT DOESNT HAVE ANY HORMONES WHICH HIGHLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE SIDE EFFECTS MOST PEOPLE EXPERIENCE WITH THE MIRENA. SO BASICALLY I DONT ADVISE ANYONE TO GET THE MIRENA, AND TRULY BECAUSE IT WAS A WASTE OF MY $1000 THAT I INCURRED GETTING IT IMPLANTED AND REMOVED. P.S ABOUT HAVING ANAL SEX, YEAH YOU WONT GET PREGNANT, BUT YOURE STILL A RISK OF GETTING A STD BEING THAT YOUR BOYFRIEND WHO WE KNOW NOT OR COULD BE TOTALLY FAITHFUL. I SUGGEST YOUR BOYFRIEND GO ONLINE TO FIND A DURABLE CONDOM THAT WILL ALLOW HIM TO HAVE MORE OF A NATURAL FEEL. THEY CAN BE COSTLY, BUT TRUST I RATHER SPEND MONEY ON A QUALITY CONDOM, THAN EXPERIENCE AN STD EVER.

AS FAR AS MS. CALIFORNIA, THE DUMB BLOND SET HERSELF UP FOR THAT BACKLASH, WHICH SHE DESERVINGLY GOT. PEOPLE SHOULD NOT CAST JUDGEMENT AGAINST OTHERS, OR PRESS THEIR BELIEFS ON OTHERS.......SHE WILL NEVER REPRESENT ANY QUALITY OF MISS AMERICA.
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Okay, I'm guessing I'm the last person on the west coast to find out, but have you seen the trailer for Humpday?
Dan, were you in on that production?
Can't wait - especially since I have never been able to make it to the festival itself.
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good advice to PILL, but it should also be said that teenage girls hold ALL of the power in a relationship regardless of how persistent her boyfriend is. i guarantee that if PILL tells her boyfriend that she will do him ONLY if he wears a condom, he will shut up and open the wrapper. at any age the pill will not prevent std's. PILL needs to know that even if she is on the pill, her boyfriend STILL needs to wear a condom, until she is in a long term mature (trusting) relationship,that is. teenage boys will lie cheat and steal to have sex.
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@145: In many cases you're right. One asshole member of a relationship shouldn't be able to go see a therapist to help brow-beat the other into letting them cheat. Therapists shouldn't be tossing out some kind of cookie-cutter "Relationship on the rocks? Try Poly!" advice. But then, therapists shouldn't be tossing out ANY kind of cookie-cutter advice. The point of a therapist is they should be able to provide professional advice tailored to the individual (or couple), based on what's best for the client, uncoloured by the personal views of the therapist.

In this PARTICULAR circumstance, "try poly" seems like good advice. The relationship is good, sex is lacking, and an absence of monogamy doesn't seem to bother either partner.

Go to any poly community forum and try asking any sort of "my relationship is in trouble, will trying poly help?" question, and they'll sound all sorts of alarm bells and tell you that polyamory is for strong, secure relationships only. You should never turn to poly to help fix a relationship in trouble, unless the ONLY trouble is someone not getting enough sex/intimacy/dates/whatever AND both people in the relationship are comfortable with the idea.
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I agree with you Dan with regard to open relationships. You sum it up nicely. You are a good bit younger than I (60) and can likely make the leap successfully. What I will share is my personal experience: in my group, I don't know of any couple, including my marriage, which was able to sustain a long-term open relationship. Hopefully following generations will hopefully do better.
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Dear Dan,

I like what you told PILL but wish that you had mentioned all the other kinds of birth control out there. There's the Depo-Provera shot, the patch, the implant, the ring (which is very low dose and many women prefer to the pill) there are IUDs (both with and without hormones) and cervical caps that can be used with spermicide. Also, there are many kinds of pills (from low to high dose, mini-pills, various hormone combos, etc) and PILL should talk to a professional about which pills she was on and the specific things she didn't like about them.

Some are much more effective than others, there are serious cost barriers to some of these if they're not covered by insurance, and there can be side effects to any sort of hormonal birth control, but it's good to be aware that they exist.

I also had awful experiences with hormonal pills and it took years until I finally got a great doctor who took the time to ask about how my pills were working for me and to explain all my options -- and there are so many! I now have a non-hormonal IUD, it is fantastic for me, and I am grateful for my doctor's advice.

Here's a great list/effectiveness chart: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-…

Thanks!
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@37-39 Yes...SOME gay men CAN get pregnant from anal sex...if it happens in the manner everyone has been describing and the "receiver" happens to be FTM. Not every FTM has the money or doctor support for a hysterectomy...
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Dan - great job on Real TIme. Just got your book, The Commitment - excellent. Thanks for your strong voice to counter-act the unreasonable voices from the right.
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Life Decisions: I am surprised that swinging was not brought up as an option. Or perhaps that was what Dan Savage meant by open relationship. In swinging most couples share the intimate experience whether they bring in a third or play with other couple. Couples are able to get variety or a specific need filled that they cannot isn't taken care of in a sexually monogamous relationship. These couples are relationship monogamous though.
I knew a couple in an open relationship, where he went one way and she went another. Jealousy and competition ensued, and they fought bitterly until they divorced. Perhaps they weren't doing it right and not true to the open relationship. I also knew a couple in an open relationship, but it was only open when they were physically separated, it was more like a free pass to play when not home. That did not seem like an open relationship, it seemed like allowed cheating that neither of them discussed.
To me it sounds like you are going to try some sort of 'allowed cheating' to have his needs filled, why not share the intimate experience? Even if he has BDSM needs you probably can find some way to be a part of that experience.
My thoughts though are if you are currently in a sexually monogamous relationship, don't jump to into the deep end and try an open relationship, start with threesomes first and then if that works well try swinging.
I prefer the sharing aspect to swinging. We both get so turned on by seeing our partner enjoying themselves. The swinging is like extended foreplay for us and then at the end of the night we make love to each other. It has greatly enhanced our trust and faith in each other.
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PILL,
The pill is not a good thing for the human body and doesn't protect against STDs. As so many have said here. Another problem is if an irrisponsible partner knows you are on the pill he is more likely to push you to have sex without a condom, there-by risking your health.
Someone who doesn't want to use a condom with you won't be likely to use them with others and this is a rist to your health. In the age of aides - a big risk.
While an IUD is not as risky to your everyday health (or long term, down the road health), it doesn't protect you like a barrier method would.

Do all the fun stuff Dan recommends. Keep condoms and lube on hand. No penetration without a condom. If you are pressured, get up and leave. Standing seriously behind your requirements is a strong statement. Have enough self respect to put your own health first.
Good luck!
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PILL--if boyfriend 'doesn't like' condoms and you're not on the pill, DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT have vaginal sex with him.

otherwise pregnancy will be ALL TOO FREAKIN' LIKELY.

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Miss California has as much right to her opinions as anyone else...even UNPOPULAR ONES. She might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but she had the courage to give an answer she knew would cost her the pagent in front of millions. And it was quite a joy to see the smile wiped off of that little rainbow nazi's face when he didn't get the soundbite he so wanted.
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Dan I have enjoyed your podcast for along time. But this last installment of 05/19/09 was totally nasty. I mean can you fucking put the cookies down just during the podcast. That was rude and nasty and I will stop listening to your stupid fucking podcast. I also hate you because you did not return my call asshole.
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I totally agree with Foamhead#166, she had every right to her opinion, like the rest of us, and that stupid ass question shouldn't have even been asked in the first place. And just because your a loud-mouthed faggot with a blog-spot, you have no right to call her names at all. It just goes to show everyone that when someone doesn't agree with the gay community, it's time for the gays to show prejudice. If I was gay, I'd be ashamed. And what the hell was he judging a pageant for in the first place? He's just a loud mouthed idiot, everyone knows it. And I think it's just fine for her to make money off of this, she didn't ask for this crap, fag-boy did.
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Just to clarify for the record, Carrie Prejean is Miss California USA, not Miss California. Miss California USA competes for the title of Miss USA (and, if she should win, competes for the Miss Universe title). Miss California competes for the title of Miss America. Both pageants are anachronistic, but the USA/Universe operation is pretty clearly the tackier and sluttier-appearing of the two. The fact that Perez Hilton was selected as a judge for this event proves my point.

Mr. Hilton may be tasteless and vapid, but he's right. Miss Prejean is a dumb bitch not because she doesn't toe the homo party line, but because most reasonable people would surmise that her actions are bitchy and her statements are stupid. She's welcome to say whatever she wants. And I am welcome to criticize her for it.

Opposing marriage equality isn't like opposing a bond issue or not liking how one's taxes are being spent. Opposition to marriage equality simply is not a justifiable position. It's prejudice, pure and simple. Quit bitching about being forced to agree with the gay community (whatever that is), and own your own bias. Only then can you move forward and work through it, for the country's benefit as well as your own.

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Mr. Savage should be sex-ed czar. A curriculum designed by him would make us a happier and healthier country of satisfied and knowledgable individuals, eventually. How I wish I had his sort of advice as an adolescent learning about intercourse!
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I'm shocked Dan. You basically told PILL to "Just Say No" ... to un(pregnancy)protected sex. =)
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I'm sorry to rage on this debate here... but "the hormones in Mirena and Nuva ring act only locally, not systemically (as with the pill)"??

Think about it. What is "locally"? It's your PARTS that's what it is. Lack of sexual response, lack of lubrication, lack of sensation, all signs of low libido which is a by now well-documented side effect of hormonal birth control methods, whether Nuva ring, Mirena or progesterone-only.

Remember: "low dose" only means lower than in the pills women took in the 70's. But the amount of hormones in modern pills still packs a huge punch, no matter how you look at it.
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@27:

To girlswithfakemustaches:

BRAVO!!! You go, girl!! I couldn't have put it better myself!
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PILL needs to tell her "whine, whine, I don't like condoms" boyfriend to GROW UP.

And then she can explain to him that not all condoms are the same and the things he doesn't like about one type can probably be fixed by buying a different kind. (I hate the smell of Nonoxynol-9, for instance, so I get the Trojans in the light green box -- no idea what they're really called, which have lube but no spermicide and for whatever reason seem to be easier to put on than others.)
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Foams, jellies, sponges, diaphragms, butt sex. Plenty of options.
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Ya, Dan gotta say, I'm disappointed. You seriously effed up on this one. We're all happy you think Bristol Palin and the abstinence only movement is retarded, but WE KNOW already! Preaching to the converted! And at the expense of this girl with a legit question! Way to give a half assed response to an important Q.

that girl should try different pills. She should work with her doctor till she finds one right for her. Or look for a doctor who will get an IUD implanted. Also PLEASE reiterate the importance of condom use to her in preventing STDs, and testing for STDs if they're in a monogamous relationship, but that condoms are really the way to go when you're dating hormonal roving teenage boys.
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If those Olympic swimmers make it from the rectum to the ovaries, bet they're pooped when they arrive! :-)
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I'd like to comment on this abstinence thing.

Interestingly, according to surveys done both in the US and in my home country of Norway, a large percentage of christian youngsters do not consider sexual acts outside of vaginal penetration sex. Mutual masturbation and oral sex? Quite fine. The Reverend Bill McGinnis even goes as far as *stating* that dating with petting until achieved orgasm can be an option to avoid sex among unmarried christians.

Which I find pretty awesome, really. If only they preached this belief more loudly - I think my time in the youth club of my local church would have been much more awesome (and I probably would have had my sexual debut in the form of a threesome at a skiing trip :-P )
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@happy lesbo:

I agree with your general sentiment, but the type of Christians who thump Bibles do not revere Mary or vice versa. There's this little thing called Catholicism that you might have heard of, as well as my neighbors the fundamentalist evangelicals. They are very different, and knowing matters for all sorts of reasons, not least because they are some of our primary opponents in fighting for gay rights and reproductive rights, and it's a lot harder to fight people intelligently when you don't know a fucking thing about them.
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@Thomas

I must be getting old.

When I was in youth groups 10 years ago or so, they were much more concerned with the idea of "purity" than sex. Vaginal and anal sex, oral sex, and mutual masturbation were all right there on the same tier of pre-marital badness. There was near-consensus that nipple play impinged purity, but a lively debate on where there were "pure" tongue kisses.

I don't think I ever heard "virginity" mentioned.

Is this a denominational thing or a generational thing?
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I laughed at the "GAY SEX"-as-contraceptive thing. I'm always telling my friends one of the perks of lesbian sex is that you absolutely can't get pregnant!
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My 47 year old ex boyfriend told me that he doesn't feel much with a condom on; he said this : "imagine us laying down naked against one another - now imagine a shower curtain in between us. This is how a condom feels on me" I believed him because he is 47, never used a condom in his life and maybe he's loosing his sensitivity. I guess he never heard of elastic sexual response....and neither did I until now.....thanks
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I love your advice to PILL. As far as I'm concerned, condoms are NOT "better than not having [vaginal] sex at all." They are worse. "Condoms or nothing"? Fine: Nothing. (Though if you *really* want to go with *nothing* rather than "outercourse," our relationship has problems.) I've always been upfront about this -- awkwardly at 17, but still -- and luckily I never ran into anyone who was willing to let some "sex educator" who didn't even know me convince her I must be lying.

My partner of ten years can't tolerate the pill or IUD, she can't find a diaphragm that fits and it hurts her like hell to even try to remove the cap let alone succeed, and I'm allergic to every spermicide we've tried anyway (including all options for use with the diaphragm/cap). So "outercourse" it's been, for ten years. It IS real sex. And uh...it's really not difficult to "resist" "saying 'Oh, what the hell!'" It's...just not.

Just like it's not difficult to learn to tolerate condoms. (And the cap never hurts anyone -- she must be lying -- DTMFA!)

IOW: People are different. Accept what they say about themselves.
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Dan, rarely a column is written by you where you don't use profanity to insult some sector of society or person you don't agree with.

It's interesting. You seem to only publish well crafted questions, but your answers are generally spiced with thoughtless expletives.

As a longtime waiter and bartender, I am the first to talk like I live in a gutter. But, you are a nationally syndicated columnist that could reach a much larger audience if you got more creative with your language. I am not asking you to tone it down, but rev it up with more wit and intelligence.

Your advice is always sound but your frosting is often thin or sour. Thicken it up with something a little more appetizing, would you?

"Fuck your asshole therapist"? What kind of Freudian invitation is that?

Calling any beauty queen a "dumb bitch"? I'm sorry but my barkless (on account of surviving
a horrible car accident before I adopted her) dog Millie is highly offended to be put in same category as what's-her-face. Unlike Millie who deserves showers of affection, what's-her-face deserves NO ATTENTION from anyone. Why not an old-fashioned shunning?
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Asking teenagers not to have sex before marriage is like asking them not to play sports before signing up for the Major Leagues.

Q. Why can 70 year old Catholic Italian Prime Ministers have sex with a 14 year old Roman virgins (of either sex) and not be run out of office or face extradition to America?

A. Because Italians really only care if you drive a Alfa Romeo and your wife owns a Prada. Besides, 14 year olds in Italy can have sex with anyone they want so long as they are 13 years old (or older). How's that for the most Catholic and abortion-averse country in Europe?

Bristol shouldn't be so obedient to Mommy Dearest and be her back-up singer for a 2012 run. Bristol should keep spreading the news that sex with Levi was awesome and having babies is just fine if you have nouveau riche star-struck parents who love showing them off to win votes from barren Christian housewives in Fargo.
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Another option for PILL is the contraceptive implant, implanon. It is a tiny, flexible stick about the size of a hairpin that is inserted into the fleshy underside of one arm, and it works for 3 years.

You get anaesthetic when you have them put in so you feel nothing, and 3 years later if you still want to carry on you just have the old one taken out and replaced. If at any time you find you don't like the effects, or you want to try for a baby, you can have it taken out any time and you'll be ready to start trying straight away.

I've been using them ever since I met my current partner, who cannot use condoms due to a deformity. We've been together 8 years now and have never had a pregnancy scare.
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Getting pregnant is like the least stressful negative consequence of sex. If you get pregnant, you run a good chance of moving on- with abortion, adoption, or keeping it. Either way you can live a good life. However, if you get HIV or herpes, yes you can still live a long healthy life but these things do NOT go away as do pregnancies. Wear condoms during (vaginal/anal) sex because you want to prevent the spread of disease, NOT because you are preventing pregnancy. An averted pregnancy is the icing on the cum cake!!! oy.
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At #20. I took birth controls for a really short time in my 20's. I bled like I was hemorrahging to death (changed pad AND tampon every hour on the hour and they were soaked) and would sit in my room and cry because trees were too beautiful to leave when I eventually die. I couldn't eat any foods that contained: meat, dairy, salt, oil, fruit, sugar, bread, two vegetables touching each other. Basically I ate steamed rice and steamed cabbage or pasta with a dash of black pepper. It's amazing how bodies respond so differently to birth control.
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I no longer need bc pills because I REFUSE to not use condoms.

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