Savage Love

Pumped-Up Junk

Comments

1
HOW ON EARTH DO YOU LOOK UP AND SEE SOMEONE TEXTING AND THEN FINISH THE BLOW JOB?!?!?!??!??? I wouldn't even do that if I was being paid. Sheesh.
2
@1 Second that!
3
See??? This is why I don't do dick!!
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See?? This is why I don't do dick!!
5
All the other kids with their pumped up kicks...
6
Ommygod! My universes collide -- Dan Savage fosters the people!
7
would have to agree with the first two comments she should at the very least said if your not enjoy this I can stop
8
TOTALLY agree with Dan's advice to WWB and had the same reaction to the letter as @1. But I wonder why Dan assumes that WWB is female. Except that the letter writer has been socialized into such politeness that finishing the job is more appropriate than smacking that phone into the nearest wall or up the nearest body cavity on the way out the door.
9
Great advice to WBB, Dan. I suspect this is a more prevalent problem than many a partner realizes.
10
Ommygod!! My worlds collide! Dan Savage fosters the people!
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@1: Word, as a straight man. Either he wasn't enjoying himself, and chose to catch up on some correspondence, or he was enjoying himself, and took a moment to send out pictures. (And frankly the second sounds more likely.) Either way, she should be offended and slap his dick out of her mouth.
12
Had to break up with my last boyfriend (in part) because he was so married to his Blackberry, he'd get up and answer it while I was going down on him. Excuse me but uh, this is kind of important. Cooling down here, no big deal... mkay, time for some Futurama. Leave me alone.

It's not cool even if he's not taping your blo-face. But he almost certainly was.
13
I've never had group sex, although it's happened a lot in my mind. I have often wondered about GSR's question though... should the opportunity ever come up, now I KNOW!
14
GSR - make sure everyone changes condoms when they change orifices!
15
I love how Dan is icked out by the term "fluid bonded." So unlike him to get skeeved out over sexual language.

ps soooooooo happy the tech wasn't around when i was a wee little slut. no evidence! er, except what i just wrote.
jill
http://inbedwithmarriedwomen.blogspot.co…
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Why gender the answer to WBB? I have been in equivalent situations and basically just carried on as WBB did, in basically the same spirit. How I ever picked up on so many behaviours without receiving massive socialization is a complete mystery.

And I was hoping that CU would have taken a page from DARE and written in again.
17
Dan, can you tell the Stranger that your RSS button is broken? Thanks.
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@16-- "How I ever picked up on so many behaviours without receiving massive socialization is a complete mystery."

What the fuckaya talkin about?

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@vennominon : before being in equivalent situations, and carrying on as WBB did, did you feel worthless in any way ? Had you been told, as a child, that you were somehow damaged goods, have you been abused in any way, physical or psychological ?

If you have - then mystery solved. Allowing oneself to be further treated like shit is a common consequence of having already been treated like shit, whether you were aware of it or not. Low self-esteem, I think it's called.
21
Quick question: Why no private high schools with a homosexual bent?

I wen't to a reform-ish jewish private high school. Not only are smaller environments like that more inviting, they're also rooted in some kind of meaningful commonality.

It seems that there's so much support behind 'it's gets better,' and I'd love to see what would happen if funding went to creating safe, tangible, practical learning environment for kids who deserve to focus on what makes them unique v. different.

How hard would that be in a city like San Francisco, with plenty of teachers out of work?
22
@ People who think Dan assumed WBB's gender: he probably edited out identifying/extended information which clearly indicated her femaleness.
23
Here's something everyone is missing about WBB: the situation described is totally hot: Kicking back playing with your phone while your friend sucks your cock, not even bothered to give a shit. I know I'm not the only one with this kink, and it very much could be in play here. It seems as likely as the picture/videotaking to me for the reason that it's hard to mistake pictures for texting. (Of course if the guy was sending picture mail of the blowjob, that's a different matter altogether.)

The thing about it is that it's immensely disrespectful and unappreciative (that's the hot part). Because of this, no one should ever do such a thing to a partner without consent. The same remarks (and same basic turn-on) applies to distributing the pics.

Fortunately, this letter is probably pure fantasy. WBB just finished the blow job? I don't think so. WBB was just as likely as not sitting at his computer typing this email out with one hand.
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@21 - Awesome idea . . . but just one city? We have many schools that are closed and are in the process of being re-purposed . . . I can envision something like this in several major urban centers . . . meets the peoples needs, keeps an established building in use and employees the unemployed.
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@23 - no, I disagree. Not that there isn't a fantasy involving someone being bored & interested in their phone while getting done, but that that's what's going on w/ WBB. There's enough "my GF doesn't know I'm using my camera-phone" style porn out there that it's gotta come from somewhere. I'd assume that most ppl who don't wanna have their picture taken/actions recorded are now having that conversation pre-hookup. At least, I hope so.

To CU - it takes WAY more energy to be in the closet than out. You don't have to throw glitter everywhere you go, just casually, slowly, let people know you date dudes. The quality of people you connect with will skyrocket, & so will the quality of your life. It's just so much easier. Luck!

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BTW, I'm noticing an increasing trend in folks using the SLOG comments section to promote their own blogs. Faux pas, no?
28
I'm sure the young man was merely updating his Facebook status. Did you check Foursquare? "...in WBB's mouth."
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@16/20 - It's not primarily a question of self-worth. Of course, it would help if I posted when fully awake, but what struck me at the time was how, given that I had extremely little parental guidance beyond BE STRAIGHT (but at least, to give them their due, they just concentrated a reasonable amount of parenting effort all in that one area rather than spreading it about), it struck me as curious that I managed to turn myself out to be so ladylike. I don't mind, though I'll admit that sometimes it would be amusing to get to play the Patriarchy card.
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@21: I thought I read about a GLBT-only highschool some in the US (California?) a few years back. Too lazy to Google at the moment.
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The possibility of pics didn't occur to WBB until her friend suggested it later. My guess as to the reason WBB continued is that she likes something about the power imbalance between the two of them (and he does too, as @23 suggests). She likes the fact that he just calls her up and she trots over to blow him, with no reciprocation. Him texting, in her mind, was a further step along those lines. ('I'm just an object to him, not a person.') Not sure why she decided to tell her other friend about the scene, though.
32
@ 1, I'm guessing WWB is very young - from my experience, young girls tend to accept being treated badly because they don't really know how one is supposed to be treated in a sexual / romantic relationship.
33
Junk is such a negative word for referring to one's genitalia. You may as well call your cock garbage or filth. I really hoped this term would fade quickly, but no such luck.
34
Mr. Venominon,
One of the things I like about you is that you *are* very ladylike (I can even visualize your pinkie extended as you sip whatever it is you're sipping), and then a dash of venom gets inserted into the flow. You're too much of a lady (I know you're a gentleman, but really this behavior is so much more Nan/Lucy Steele) to do it outright, but the dig is worth digging for.
(I know you're partial to bringing up Mary Crawford, but I think the Misses Steeles are more apt for this example.)
35
"The hardest part is seeing other freshmen go out to parties, hook up, and date when I don't have the opportunity to do so."

Um, don't you mean "The hardest part is seeing other freshmen go out to parties, hook up, and date when I don't [CHOOSE TO AVAIL MYSELF OF THE] opportunity to do so."

Sorry, kid, but time to grow up: you are choosing to remain in the closet. You. Either cut it out, or own it.
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The first letter writer sounds like one of those over-exaggerators who thinks his problem is the WORLD'S WORST. It's common to all teenagers, so I can't really blame him, but I do hope he grows out of it soon.

Unless you're going to Bob Jones University or similar, the vast likelihood is that your college-aged friends and acquaintances in this day and age are fine with homosexuality.

If LW1 stays closeted -- or worse, selectively comes out to only some friends -- he'll run the risk of annoying people when they find out he's been hiding something so trivial from them because he thinks they can't handle it.
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To Closeted Undergrad:
As one gay guy to another, its 2011, you're in college, if and when you come, my bet is hardly anyone is going to care - oh another gay guy comes out, stop the presses! Fuck man, there's 12 year olds are coming out in 7th grade!

Today's college campuses are teaming with gay orgs., out students, straight allies, AIDS activists, gay marriage advocate groups etc. Sorry to sound a bit harsh but i see it as egotistical to think ANYONE in your school is going to care you're gay. Unless you're a St8 acting douche with a girlfriend. If that's the case, she'll be the only be the only one to "care". And she'll get over it tout de suite.

And as far as the "coming out" mechanisms are concerned, start out slow, tell a close friend, then a teammate, if you need to take baby steps, so be it. but really, my guess is no one is going to make a big deal, and if they do fuck them! Unless of course, you're known around campus as some big fag hating homophobe then you might have some issues with your coming out, but hopefully that is not the case with you.

In any event, take a deep breath and come out of the closet, its much nicer out here. good luck.
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Closeted Undergrad, coming out doesn't have to happen all at once. You can tell one person at a time, if you need to. You can stick a toe out of the closet and then the whole foot and then the whole leg, and so on. Coming out in the "We're here, and we're queer so pay attention" way is like the 8th step in coming out, not the first. The first step is telling just one person.

Group-Sex Rookie, if you're having sex with your girlfriend while other people are nearby, it may make them uncomfortable for you and your girlfriend to have sex without a condom. If all of their body parts are exposed, they may not want you spraying body fluids around or leaving a wet spot on a mattress/rug/table that they hope to be having sex on in the near future. In my experience, the EVERYBODY-uses-condoms rule at sex parties isn't just to make sure that people who aren't fluid bonded use condoms, it's also to make sure that the people who ARE fluid bonded don't get anything on the people who may be having sex a foot away ... or on the space you're currently using, that other people may be using half an hour from now.

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@3: "See??? This is why I don't do dick!!"

Hah! Like douchebag lesbros don't exist.
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@21, 24, 25, 30:

http://books.google.com/books?id=bBDyV_e…

Quick Googling finds Harvey Milk in New York, EAGLES in Los Angeles, Walt Whitman in Dallas (apparently since closed).

My personal opinion is that schools everywhere should be safe and welcoming places for everybody, and that sexual orientation shouldn't be a point of differentiation. That said, I'm all for alternative schools that specialize in performing arts, science, sports, and especially for kids economically marginalized and/or with unstable home lives, who have been kicked out for whatever reason or run away or self-emancipated or trying to get grounded again after life on the street—and I'm all for higher taxes to pay for them, with careful attention to make sure they're effective in their chosen specialties.

In my daydreams I imagine a world in which parents teach their children to appreciate the differences in people and to be kind and encouraging to everyone.
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An aside to @ 34 - nocutename - I also appreciate the manners of Mr. Venominon & would like to have tea & crumpets, pinkie out, with him. :)
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@38 - I'm not a germaphobe or anything, but your description conjured up images of all kinds of nastiness... No sex parties for me!
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@1 & @2:: I third it!!!!

I'm also in agreement with @3 and @4.
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My thanks to Ms Cute and Ms Hopkins.

And it occurs to me that I have left my habit of address unexplained all this time. It happened that, less than a month before he died, I had a telephone conversation with Quentin Crisp. We had a friend in common then living in California who, hearing I'd be in New York for the day, said I should phone Mr Crisp to pass on some good news. Mr Crisp was much amused and thoroughly charming. After he died, it seemed a nice little tribute to preserve that one mannerism of his; I just replaced Miss with Ms.
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WTF? Your in a group sex oligarchy and you think abstaining from condoms with your girlfriend may be confusing. Condom up asshole and if you are in private with your loved one, than lose the skin. Really, no big deal wearing a condom. Some women prefer condoms due to the slick nature of the beast when lubed properly. Sometimes skin to skin can be irritating for the delicate tissues of a women. Mine too for that matter.
46
Sometime around 1998, I went bowling & noticed a guy on the lanes focusing on his stupid cell phone call, & I thought: what's next, focusing on your stupid cell phone while receiving oral sex? It took a while, but hallelujah, that day has arrived!

And to #15, who says "I love how Dan is icked out by the term 'fluid bonded.' So unlike him to get skeeved out over sexual language." Um, I don't think that's really true; Dan has shown himself quite frequently to be one of the most peevishly neurotic public figures on the planet.
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Sometime around 1998, I went bowling & noticed a guy on the lanes focusing on his stupid cell phone call, & I thought: what's next, focusing on your stupid cell phone while receiving oral sex? It took a while, but hallelujah, that day has arrived!

And to #15, who says "I love how Dan is icked out by the term 'fluid bonded.' So unlike him to get skeeved out over sexual language." Um, I don't think that's really true; Dan has shown himself quite frequently to be one of the most peevishly neurotic public figures on the planet.
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the way you reframed CU's question in terms of closet heterosexuals is always a useful mental exercise. if somebody thinks something is ok for gay people to do then they should play the same scenario out with straight people and see if it still sounds ok. or "sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander" as my grandma would say.
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WBB: DTMFA and shove his phone where the sun don't shine. I don't think it's a kink, because the letter sounds like xie is not happy with the boyfriend's treatment of hir.
51
My longterm boyfriend will check his email on his smartphone while I'm going down on him, but that's because he knows how insanely frustrated / turned on it gets me to be faux-ignored like that. He's not *really* checking his e-mail, he's just pretending to ignore me because he knows it turns me way on to be treated like an object instead of a person. But we've been dating a long time and we've had many conversations about my whole "kink for being ignored" thing, so he knows it's not only OK, it's sexy to me.
52
Sheeh! Have some balls and slap that phone out of his hand! The nerve!

As for the 18yr old closeted dude---it gets better! Make some friends who you feel comfortable being yourself around. Or just bring it up with the ones you have, and perhaps they won't care as much as you fear. Every gay kid goes through this, and it just feels so much better to clear the air and not walk on eggshells around folks. There's lots of people to be friends with, everywhere. And even if you do go to a LGBT meeting, maybe you'll fall for some nice straight-acting over-achiever dude...or maybe you'll fall for a hairy queeny guy! Either way, fun times!
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Sheeh! Have some balls and slap that phone out of his hand! The nerve!

As for the 18yr old closeted dude---it gets better! Make some friends who you feel comfortable being yourself around. Or just bring it up with the ones you have, and perhaps they won't care as much as you fear. Every gay kid goes through this, and it just feels so much better to clear the air and not walk on eggshells around folks. There's lots of people to be friends with, everywhere. And even if you do go to a LGBT meeting, maybe you'll fall for some nice straight-acting over-achiever dude...or maybe you'll fall for a hairy queeny guy! Either way, fun times!
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Having grown up in the conservative heart of Mormonland, I was pretty much a closeted straight person. Furtive hookups in cars, pretending I didn't live with a boyfriend for months and months, cycle of shame and denial about any sexual attraction to men . . . fun stuff!
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And WBB, Dan's right: that camera should have been shoved so far up his slimeball ass you could have taken a picture of the roof of his mouth while he yelped like Mariah Carey.
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Methinks a girl who is blowing her 'friend' may not have high enough self-worth. We love to pretend that men and women are equally capable of having meaningless sex, but it's not true. The fact that she let him get away with treating her the way she did is just pathetic.

This is why I object to "slut" being re-claimed as a sex-positive term. Sluttiness usually comes from a place of lack of self-respect, in the guise of "sexual freedom". Guess what- it ain't free, ladies! You give away part of yourself to every man you are sexual with. Do yourself a favor and take the time to get to know him well enough to be sure he's worth it *before* you go there. Unappreciative assholes don't deserves blow jobs.
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"ladies, you give away part of yourself to every man you are sexual with"

How does that work, exactly? Am I giving him my pancreas? My wisdom teeth? My toenails? And is it only het girls who have to worry about this loss of our body parts?
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Ah, I love you, EricaP...My thoughts exactly. I can be a one-man slut...and enjoy every second.
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Ah, I love you, EricaP - my thoughts exactly.

I've come to recognize...and embrace...and enjoy...that I'm a one-man slut. No problems with self-esteem anymore!
60
Another note to CU, there are more flavors of gay than Baskin Robbins. Just because you are out doesn't mean you need to go shoe shopping with your best girlfriends or wear leathers and curl your black mustache. Out is who you are, not an image of something you may think you have to be. You mentioned teammates, you might want to have a look at Outsports, which promotes gay athletes in all sports, not just the "gay" ones, ;-P Good luck!
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To letter #2 - STOP blowing "friends" or men or guys or whatever until they've earned it. Never blow them until you've sat on their face or they've gone down on you several times. Why? It is logical before the peanut gallery on here gets all bent out of shape: because of precisely the attitude of this guy and of so many men she has written about here. Hearing about some guy leaning back and acting like he's entitled whilst getting a blow job is very common indeed therefore that attitude needs to be knocked the hell of out of 'em so they can learn the give and gives of real sex. Porn has gone down the pan nowadays and it has a lot to answer for this hateful attitude towards women in general. The general puritannical attitude of Americans creates an atmosphere of behaving as if sex is some "weird" event instead of simply, well, sex. So, my dear, if you enjoy giving head then learn how to receive it and receive it FIRST because there is nothing worse than an arrogant, selfish little snot nosed brat in the bedroom who happens to be man-shaped. And, unfortunately, they're quite common, indeed. Does this sound selfish at all? Get over it because the day you hear about a woman behaving like this asshole, you can best believe there will be literally - and I do mean literally - thousands of men who are doing worse and with no self-analysis or thoughts to their actions whatsoever. If a man hates women THAT much then he has no business expecting her to suck his cock. Makes sense, really. It is also VERY uniquely American to "brag" (in the manner of this fool here) about some woman blowing a guy instead of actually engaging in the enjoyment of it. Men in America have a lot of growing up to do. From what I can see, the women are all too willing but how can anyone get on board when you've got some idiot filming you for god knows who to see? Sex is sex so stop turning it into a fucking sport! Newsflash, it is BORING. The more I am away from that country the more sorry I feel for the inhabitants of it.
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"STOP blowing "friends" or men or guys or whatever until they've earned it. Never blow them until you've sat on their face or they've gone down on you several times."

Excuse me?
What if I don't want to sit on their face?
Ever?
63
Also: as a sidenote, I have to say that I'm skeptical you would criticize a man who went down on his female "friend" without her reciprocating because he enjoyed it.
64
Frederica doesn't think women enjoy giving blow jobs.
65
Can we, the peanut gallery, all agree that Frederica @61 comes off as a condescending and pretentious whatever-the-female-equivalent-of-a-douche is?

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Hi @65/Debug, if the sum total of your comment is to diss someone, please save it next time.

@Fredicka_Bimble, I appreciate the sentiment, not the overkill tone.

@mydirasis, I'm really curious. Cool if you don't care to receive oral, wondering if this is how you feel both ways. It's the "only one is okay" that I think is a signal of something messed up (usually self-esteem as someone pointed out).

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@newtinmpls

I'm not sure I understand your question "only one is okay"? Both ways?

My feeling of oral sex is something along the lines of "why are you hitting that nail with a screwdriver when you have a hammer right there?".
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Frederica, would you agree with this rephrasing? "Consider if you are getting as much from a sexual relationship as you are giving. If you tend to give more than you get, give some thought as to why that might be."

That seems like great advice for WBB, and good advice in general. But I think it's important to acknowledge people like dianasquiver @51, who has clearly given plenty of thought to her "kink for being ignored."

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@68 my clit prefers hitachis to screwdrivers or hammers, as long as we're getting our tools out :-)
71
I'm not into sex toys unless they're people.
72
I read WBB's letter to my husband, and here is his short but perfect response: "I would advise her to BITE."
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@61: (said in Inigo Montoya impression) You keep using that word. "Logical." I do not think it means what you think it means.

Your demand that he prove himself worthy by going down on you several times before you will consider blowing him is the very sort of self-entitlement that you ascribe to the opposite sex. Nice bit of projection you have going there. Clearly you feel entitled to oral yourself, even to the point of racking up a debt before you will even consider contributing. If that were appropriate, why would it be wrong of him to demand the exact same treatment of you in response? "Five blowjobs before I will even consider going down on you."

How about, if you enjoy giving blow jobs, just give them and enjoy it? (It did occur to you, did it not, that if you enjoy the activity, then you are getting some benefit out of it all by yourself, regardless of the other person's contribution?) And if you enjoy receiving oral, try opening with a nice request for some, instead of an ultimatum? (In other words, how about you wait until your partner displays an actual objectionable behavior before you start in on the boot camp style training him out of it?) And try not to conflate the two in your head.

For you to implement your plan the way you describe it, you would have to either:
a) keep quiet while studiously avoiding going near his crotch. I don't know about others, but that would probably give me the signal that you just don't like oral, which is unlikely to get you any; or
b) lay out your demands explicitly, which would give me the idea that you were either 1) into domination play, which isn't my thing, or 2) a nutjob who wouldn't know "logic" if it went down on her.
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Forgive me for being so bold as to suggest some communication here, but if I were (as a gay man) blowing someone and they took out their phone/camera, I would ask, "What are you doing?" If they were taking pictures I didn't want taken, we would stop then and there and I would insist that they be deleted immediately. If they have already been sent out, obviously there is nothing I can do, but I can at least control what I can control to curtail future use. If it were that the guy was texting, I would quite likely want to know more about that. Is this not a good time for your calendar? Is the quality of the work not sufficient? Sure he will likely flag, but let's be honest, if it ends out working out for us both, there are ways to get him up again, and then start the fun.

I don't think being reactionary solves much. If he is getting off on your being used, your outrage will likely feed his fantasies. If he is just an inconsiderate dunderhead, then help him to learn what it means to be considerate. Either way, you can control only yourself and not him. Believe me, I am not suggesting this out of some sense of superior self-control. I am suggesting it because the preceding comments seem to just get more and more inflammatory, which tells me that something about their suggestions isn't working.
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Dan, you say that people who are out when they're 18 tend to be more effeminate and unable to hide. I find this comment not only offensive but enabling of those people who rationalize being in the closet in college as some kind of mark of masculinity, or who stay in the closet because they create a dichotomy between themselves and the "Effeminate" gay guys who cannot pass. The truth is that many "non-effeminate" gay guys do come out early in college, but the closeted gay guys never know it--as if they could have any sense of the gay community of a college by peaking at it from behind a curtain and never engaging with it. Plus--they create self-fulfilling prophesies--all of them meekly waiting like children for some leader to make coming out okay. Your 18-year old needs to have those stereotypes broken down; perhaps you, Dan, didn't come out til later, but many of us came out and were extremely frustrated that the vast majority of our fellow college students wouldn't do so yet. We (they) need to be praised for coming out early--not belittled with the implication that we only came out because we had to, while those that "can pass" stay in the closet--because they "can pass" and not for the real reason--because they are not emotionally mature or courageous enough to put aside their victim complex and finally deal with what they want, who they are, and the dangerous self-delusion that they stay closeted because either "being gay is no one else's business" or "being gay shouldn't define who they are"--because being bitter and being alone will very much define who they are.
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@67 Sometimes someone needs to be told frankly that their writing style reflects badly upon themselves. I didn't call her names directly (thankfully, I don't know her) just described how she "came off" in her comment. Since knew she was being inflammatory (trolling): "...peanut gallery on here gets all bent out of shape..." so I asked for consensus from the other so-called peanuts here.

Play thread-cop if you wish, but I'll need you to show me your badge before I follow your rules.
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@76 "Dan, you say that people who are out when they're 18 tend to be more effeminate and unable to hide. I find this comment not only offensive but enabling of those people who rationalize being in the closet in college as some kind of mark of masculinity...[It enables] the dangerous self-delusion that they stay closeted because 'being gay is no one else's business'"

Well said, Maxinny. Good for you for challenging some out-dated expectations.
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In response to GSR's question:

One thing to keep in mind when deciding whether or not to 'wrap up' in a group sex situation, even with one's 'bonded' partner is the etiquette involved in leaving the deck clear, so to speak, for the next guy that might want to go down on her. Women seem to enjoy that....so I've heard. And I'd hate to deprive my partner of that action by leaving a mess.

Some guys will dive into anything, oral sex-wise. Some will only clean up after themselves. Some won't even go there. So my policy is to slip a condom on unless I'm sure we're performing a finale at a party. And I'd appreciate other guys doing the same for their women if they want to share them completely.
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In response to GSR's question:

One thing to keep in mind when deciding whether or not to 'wrap up' in a group sex situation, even with one's 'bonded' partner is the etiquette involved in leaving the deck clear, so to speak, for the next guy that might want to go down on her. Women seem to enjoy that....so I've heard. And I'd hate to deprive my partner of that action by leaving a mess.

Some guys will dive into anything, oral sex-wise. Some will only clean up after themselves. Some won't even go there. So my policy is to slip a condom on unless I'm sure we're performing a finale at a party. And I'd appreciate other guys doing the same for their women if they want to share them completely.
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WBB- You finished? If its my man catching my "blow-face" that's HOT but not a friend. I wouldn't blow my friends though so I'm biased on the situation. Either way, was it multiple keystrokes like a text or was it an aim and thumb action? You have to have a good idea what he was doing, you weren't that far from him.

@81 I enjoyed your perspective and look forward to this so called wrap up in group sex. Ill be conversing with my man.
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@77 Hunter78: Maybe WBB should bite harder right after she shoves the camera up the douchebag's ass. Better yet---bite it all the way off, and spit the piece of junk in his ugly face.

Yeah, you're right. That gave me some pretty violent ideas.
This ridiculous Repig waged "War on Women" has me pissed.
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@77 Hunter78: I'm sorry I went off.
The GOP's got me in a bad mood, but it's off topic.
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@83 You and every sane person in America. Though I don't think biting off some jerk's piece is going to get them out of congress any sooner. The mainstream television news really should have been reporting on this stuff months ago when they started talking about rape audits.
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what the fuck is a "rape audit"?
not something I'm super keen on googling...

Also, grizelda, you never got back to my much earlier question to you. :p
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@86
It's a bill called H.R.3 or the No Taxpayer Funding For Abortion Act, it passed the House in May and is still waiting for the Senate.

From the Huffington Post article:

"Marcus Owens, a former longtime IRS official, told Mother Jones that if a woman received a tax credit for medical costs related to abortion, "on audit [she] would have to demonstrate or prove, ideally by contemporaneous written documentation, that it was incest, or rape, or [her] life was in danger. It would be fairly intrusive for the woman."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/04…

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/0…
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@86: mydriasis: Whoa!! I missed something---sorry!! What was your question from much earlier? It's apparently not in regards to this particular blog.
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"STOP blowing "friends" or men or guys or whatever until they've earned it. Never blow them until you've sat on their face or they've gone down on you several times."

Excuse me?
What if I don't want to sit on their face?
Ever?
Posted by mydriasis on October 13, 2011 at 12:17 PM · Report

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Also: as a sidenote, I have to say that I'm skeptical you would criticize a man who went down on his female "friend" without her reciprocating because he enjoyed it.
Posted by mydriasis on October 13, 2011 at 12:19 PM · Report
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Who made up the 2nd letter? They need to be kicked in the behind for being so stupid. So should the person that made up the 3rd letter.
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@88: Mydriasis----are you now avoiding my question to you?
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no? i'm confused...

it's from 30 posts earlier..
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@87

That's awful.
America confuses me. So rich, so many schools, massive scientific community... and yet has the human rights attitudes of a poor, 'third world' country. I can't quite get my head around why.

Anyway I'm sorry to hear that.
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mydriasis @86: "Also, grizelda, you never got back to my much earlier question to you."

grizelda @88: "What was your question from much earlier?"

mydriasis @89: repeats a question posed to Frederica @62-63.

grizelda @93: tell me again, what was the question?

mydriasis @94: again, seems to refer to the question at 62-63.

Hey, mydriasis, do you realize that grizelda and Frederica are not the same person? Or are you referring to your question to grizelda on Oct 9th, in the Messed-up Junk thread, about her nationality? I'm pretty sure she's a US citizen, for what it's worth.
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touche!
Sorry, I made a scrolling error, and I mistook who wrote what.
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It's worth repeating some observations that came out in past SL editions, namely that not all women enjoy receiving oral sex (not early in the sexual relationship anyway), and not everyone views giving and receiving oral sex as equivalent acts, i.e. that the one reciprocates for the other.
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mydriasis - No worries, I've done similar things. Thanks for clarifying.

Mr. J -- hi!
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Hi EricaP.
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@96 &97: mydriasis & EricaP: Thanks for clarifying. I agree: no worries, no harm, no foul.
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96: EricaP: Actually, I think mydriasis was responding to nocturnomath regarding a post from October 8th. No sweat. Life happens. It added to the blog.

And you're right---I'm about as American mutt as Mom's apple pie, and part of the 99%.
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I'm surprised Frederica hasn't posted a rebuttal.
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@103 she doesn't check obsessively like some of us...
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@104: Qui--moi??
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@103 EricaP: Am I bad for enjoying blogs?
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@auntie

I think she meant me!