Columns Sep 30, 2015 at 4:00 am

Asshole Moves

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@183 Late - I don't dispute anything you've said there. I was just saying that it is not necessarily a solution for someone who has a pattern of getting bored in LTRs, regardless of outside sex opportunities. In such a case, the outside sex opportunities may fill some or all of the need for euphoria but there may still be conflict around level of arousal for the primary partner. And that can be the case even if the primary partners are generally sexually compatible.

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@202: "Whining" is a gendered slur, as you doubtless know. "Hurr hurr, your gender role performance isn't good enough! Hurr hurr durr."

It's a shame UAR isn't smart enough to come up with something new. Poor dear.
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Jesus was a dude. Yes he was.
I don't think Fan is saying she's against a bit of rough , Late.. She just didn't go for the hair pulling.
Not sure the gang is really for being chucked around, are they? Just, you know, a strong hard man being dominant. It's fun.
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"Whining" is a gendered slur? I had coffee with a female friend yesterday who was complaining non-stop about things that I thought were pretty inconsequential and I told her (with love of course) to "stop whining". Maybe I should have used a different word. Next time I'll say "stop whingeing".
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Wasn't talking to you. I'm with Lava.
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Sorry for any confusion @209. That was for @206.
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It's a figure of speech, Lava. And she said that seandr's style didn't interest her, which I assumed meant being aggressively dominated was not her thing. Apologies, Bi, if I misunderstood.
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210 - c'mon Jibe... whats the first rule of eud club?
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@206: "Whining" is a gendered slur, as you doubtless know. "Hurr hurr, your gender role performance isn't good enough! Hurr hurr durr."

Oh the insecurity. It's what you do, as a baby does for a titty.
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@Eudaemonic: I don't think there's any doubt LW1 cheated, but I can't seem to work up any outrage over it. If cheating is part of a process that allows someone to end a doomed relationship sooner rather than later, well then good thing for everyone involved that they cheated, right?

Now she just needs to end the relationship. If instead she chooses to string the boyfriend along in order to have her cake and eat it, too, then she's an asshole.
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@201 Late - I do have a couple female friends on dating sites who tell me they get a lot of messages from guys asking if they're into BDSM. These particular women are not and it's their perception that it's minimizing their options, if only in the sense that they dismiss these BDSM guys. It would be funny if some of these guys were just saying what they think today's ladies want to hear. Ha! I myself like it down the middle with an opportunity for both partners to dominate now and then, but nothing too fancy. Vanilla with sprinkles, I'd say.
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COB @212 - Don't talk about (or to) Eud Club?

Dammit! That's the second rule too!
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@208: If I call a man a cunt, "cunt" doesn't magically stop being a gendered slur when directed at women.

@214: Outrage? No. The endless stream of desperate efforts to find something--anything--that the boyfriend had done wrong, though? Those eventually got on my last nerve, because it's so fucking tedious.
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@207: It's a reference to the men and women who self-martyr in his wake.
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I think that calling someone a whiny bitch would be a gendered slur. A mopey whiner? Not so much...
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starting to wonder if Eud and Undead are the same person. Or perhaps married in real life and both have no idea the other is such a common presence on SL.... i smell a sitcom.... Bloomer - get to work!
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WHA? Whining is a gendered slur? Is that like how I didn't know the root meaning of the word gyp until around the age of 40 and cringe to think of how I used to occasionally say I'd been gyped? I have to read more, I think.
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@220 Hahahahah! Chairman! "If you like Pina Coladas..."
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And " If I call a man a cunt, "cunt" doesn't magically stop being a gendered slur when directed at women."

You really have some bizarrely regressive gender roles rotted into your brain.

@202: No clue, E never has much to work with but ranting about how women all [do some thing] and how he feels men are taken upon with slings and arrows. It's all one big pity party that erupts into these outbursts.
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Late.. Yes I am probably misrepresenting Fan. Sorry Fan. I did remember you like androgynous men.

Another school shooting over there. Jesus.
A pro life campainer, who was denied a visa to Oz, somehow got to Melbourne airport. He's put a challenge to the high court today, so he can stay and get Aussies to join him in his bullshit.
Don't do it High Court.
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@220: Worst buddy-cop movie since Turner and Hooch.
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@221: His machismo thinks that I'm assaulting his inner man (as if whining was a "woman thing"?) , when i'm pointing out that these paranoid tirades are immature. Children can rake offense.
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Undead - He's furiously typing out a sizzling 1,000 word tome with bolding and italics! as we speak...
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Apologies for the back and forth, regardless.
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Euda: you are sick. You cherry pick everything I say in an effort to turn me into a femi-nazi that is blaming everything on the bf's for lw1's actions. In all your nifty bolded quotes you failed to note that I said lw1 was a cpos, that the bf was not blame, that lw1 knew her bf wanted monogamy.., but in your sick world daring to advise someone to consider making explicit statements to avoid confusion becomes an attack on men. How do you even function nit the real world. You remind me of my sister who thinks every disagreement is a personal attack.

I won't convince you so whatever. No wonder Dan can't ever get the number of commentators like Carolyn Hax or Prudie. My words are there for every one else to read. Not a surprise you are the only one among man or woman who think its an attack on men.
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@164... sb53. I do feel for your situation. My marriage ended when I was 59 yrs old.. It is very scary at first to be alone. Five yrs later, I am glad it ended.
Shared resources can be a problem.
If your wife holds you out sexually for nearly a month at a time, she might as well say, that that part of your life together is over.
It's not over for you though, and you in your early 60s, yes? The new 10.
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@Eudaemonic: Psssssst. I hear you, man, but just between you and me, I'm trying to run the game with some of these women, and all the hostilities create an atmosphere that just doesn't facilitate the removal of pants.
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Dark Horse Rising; yes.. Some people just can't stand to see others finding easy intimacy in their communications. So they attack and try to kill the vibe.
They are called Trolls, and it's best to ignore them.
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@232 - Lava - There's a pot for every lid. I bet somebody out there is incorporating trolling into their BDSM fun, trollplaying.
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Psssssst yourself, Sean. We can hear you, putting your hand over your mouth
As you type, does not do the trick.
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oh lava.... here we go again... I think (in honor of the content of the bulk of this thread) that you should make the ASSUMPTION that the joke was a good one... even if you don't get it. :)
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p…

For anyone interested. Note it's upsetting as a parent.
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Dur Chairman. It was a good joke, I agree. And I was just joking back.
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darkhorse- after reading that article... i wonder how it is that we (humanity) ever even marginally overcame our "survive at all costs" mentality long enough to build this so called civilization we pretend we live in.... fuck. Wish i could un-read that.
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Jesus. Men.
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Ok.. Maybe I won't check your link, Dark
Horse.
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hahaha. Forgive me. I suppose i don't know the aussie tradition of pretending to not get the joke being the actual joke.
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No, Lava's joke wasn't pretending not to get the joke. The joke was that Sean might think he could type without being heard. The basic premise of the "pssst" joke.
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you're killing me. Are you australian too? please don't make me explain the ACTUAL joke.
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Its gobsmacking, I agree COB; I didn't intend to post it to bring every one down. I probably shouldn't have. But I have spent a substantial portion of my life studying anthropology and now work with international communications. Values, even for something like human life, are highly variable. I think that illustrates it. Not meaning to pick on China, I have some equally chilling articles aboit how disposable black lives were in the 1960s in the deep south based on court documents.
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The skillfully negotiating ceasefire between Eud and BiDan has failed to gather momentum and create a positive domino effect across the universe.
As futurecat said @233 “There's a pipe full of pot for every lad.”

Where’s Ricardo when you need him?
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Clueless Chairman.. I love nicknames.
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"negotiated"
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haha.... damn. Alright... new proposal. Let's be Penn and Teller. (i'll be teller)
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CMD. She wasn't talking about pot.. that you smoke! Heavens.. That's a joke ish comment as well, CC.
Yes well CMD.. Things did go South, no doubt about that.
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Penn and Teller? I was picturing you guys in more of a Midnight Run style buddy comedy with Lava as the escaped convict.
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lava - if i may... in my world... there are two ways to not get a joke. One is the obvious: someone doesn't understand why something is funny. The other is when the person can't leave the joke alone... and adds to it (in their eyes), thereby diminishing both the original joke and the follow up joke. You are guilty of number two twice in the past 20 comments. Tada! haha... sorry...can't help myself sometimes.
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yeah well... i went with Penn and Teller so i could stop speaking altogether. (that's the joke!)... but.... i'm a hypocrite...
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@97 LavaGirl: Happy Spring Equinox your way. Those nasty Great White sharks had damn well better keep away so you, your family and loved ones can relax, hang ten and enjoy the beach, sun and fun.

Well... for an update, ol' Griz is on a VA quest. After struggling to find steady, reliably sustainable employment and THINKING I was completely over the trauma of surviving a bad relationship coming up on fourteen years post-divorce, I have found out that I may have a service-connected disability which would help me with PTSD counseling, veterans education, and rehabilitation services. It's largely down to my getting any or at least two of my three older sibs to write a supportive paragraph in support of my claim of my marriage during my active service years way back when. Unfortunately, both my mom and dad have joined either above---otherwise, my dad would probably burst out"Where the !@#$ do I sign?!?" Hopefully I have my brother's and sisters' support on corroboration. Stay tuned.

Musically, I am finishing up the second of four short pieces for flute choir and piano, making computer entries for the first of three movements of my second symphony in loving memory of my beloved parents, reflecting back on when they first met when dad was a young U.S. sailor.
I'm on the flutist list for orchestra in the musicals at our local volunteer theater, and hope to be in Anything Goes next spring. Slowly but surely, my theory tutoring is picking up. I have a prospect to hopefully meet with next week--just a week into Fall Quarter!
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@253: Sorry for the typo--I meant to type: "Unfortunately, both my mom and dad have joined each other above----otherwise....."
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Well CC, ta de dah..
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@Chairman, @LavaGirl: Wait, you guys read the comments that aren't addressed to you???

Oh well, you're not the first to tell me my game a joke.

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@252 Chairman - OopsieI I get it now. Consider my previous comment a #1-#2 special. Also, I could learn a little something from Teller.

P.S. Nobody on this thing makes me laugh more than Lava. If it's an Australian thing, I have a new fondness for Australia.

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Sounds good Grizelda. Love that you continue to write and perform music..
I'm sure your sibs will help, surely?
The Sharks have been causing havoc on NSW Nth Coast.
Not such a problem in Qld, as we
have nets and drum lines. It is causing much hand wringing down south, because they don't want to put nets in..
lots of greenies on NSW Nth Coast.

Would love to hear your music.
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well FCL... me thinks sharkboy isn't always trying to be funny.... (lava... you SUUUUURE you want to give me a nickname..??? i posit i am far more ruthless than you are when it comes to teasing...)

bring it! haha
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Good. Shake off all that aggro energy.
How I hate it.
Thanks Future. At my age, you gotta laugh loud and often Or..
God damn it's hard. Bits start to stop working. The memory goes..
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And see what you've done Lava? now Seandr KNOWS we can see comments that aren't for us...and he won't spill his secrets anymore. He KNOWS. dammit.
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You think you can scare a woman who has given birth six times, CC? No wars yet though.
Try it baby.
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it's on (even with the "give birth" trump card you just played... you must be scared to pull that one out so fast).
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@258: I've gotta have music, cats, and my beloved automotively eccentric VW in my life. Road trip! The Washington and Oregon coasts kicked serious ass two autumns ago, and we wanna go back.
It will be interesting what further develops from my VA appointment downtown after today.
More on that soon. I emailed rather than phoned my three sibs; that seems to ensure a more timely response from them. We'll see.
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@ 245 - I was having dinner with friends of mine, and to be honest, I'm so fucking glad I left this thread before it turned into such a mess of insults and negativity.

See you on another thread.
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Chairman will not be asked to relinquish his position any time soon.
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Ricardo will be missed. I hope he will come back soon and restore some civility among us savages.
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@215 future -- Vanilla with sprinkles. Nice. Sounds about right. I just get a hard-edged need for the physical sensation of someone else, touch and sight and taste. Other than the fun of making them so loopy they forget how to talk, dominating doesn't really enter into it. There's physically running the fuck I suppose, which I'm comfortable doing, especially if there's something in particular I'm after, but I don't think that qualifies as dominating, and I'm happy taking turns at it anyway. But apparently I'm missing the power kink that the vast majority of people need to get off. It's not that I lack aggression, god knows. I just don't bring it into the bedroom. At least not in the form of chucking people around and teaching them a lesson. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Btw, you can stop apologizing for making lots of posts. It's fine. The more the merrier.
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Thanks, Late! Very kind of you. :)

I didn't know a vast majority need the power kink. That's news to me. Put me on team Subtle Domination and then let me play the outfield, infield, catcher, make me the pinch hitter, mid it up, just don't make me play on one side all the time.

I love all you guys/gals. I already miss Ricardo.

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yes future, if daytime posters could go Ricardo as often as evening users maybe this place was slightly happier.
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@270 CMD - Does "Going Ricardo" mean bringing the civility or taking a break until civility returns?
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Chairman and Seandr @170-172
It doesn't really matter if TMI's boyfriend has been sleeping around. The quote that Eud has been emphasizing make it pretty clear that TMI considered the relationship monogamous and told the other guy. She cheated and knows it. Her boyfriend might have cheated, but that's beside the point.

By the way ... interesting discussion about how explicit you need to be. I never had the discussion, but an understanding would develop that the relationship had become monogamous. If this was not the case, then someone had to say something.
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EOD Farewell Edition
While I suspect Lava hired Dr. Aisabu to ensure this pretentious piece of bowel movement disappears from this site, there may be at least two additional reasons:

1. Kids are back in school and their sexually frustrated parents have more free time on their hands. Sensible parents spend their quality time fucking people they’re not married to, masturbating, writing here, or any combination of the above.
Either way, there are far too many comments to follow and it’s an EOD editorial policy that once you get selective you can no longer claim to be an I. F. Stone fan.
Philo is into some heavy-duty wiki nowadays
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._F._Ston…

2. All of us in the newsroom enjoy the challenges we are facing, not to mention our super-supportive, hyper-accommodating, omg I swear so open-minded, totally non-judgmental, certified-organic so so wonderful comrades.
Alas, that late night shift often drains our energy, influencing our ability and desire to masturbate just before bedtime. It’s not good for us.

Speaking of healthy…
Lava and
BiDanFan
Please give me a color and/or style/s for this week. Please……
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generic... i don't disagree... i believe that guilt is in the eye of the DOER as much as the beholder. She feels guilty......so, yeah... she fucked up.

But... "I told him I couldn't, and he knew why"

could mean the second guy kissed her... and she simply said "i can't do this"... and THAT'S IT.

For me (if i were in the exact same situation as her)... telling a second girl "i can't" might have meant many things. 1. even though i am not exclusive with the girl i am seeing... i know that fucking you will destroy that budding relationship, and i dont want that. 2. i don't want to sleep with you, but i am using the girl i am seeing as the excuse. 3. I can't, i'm in a committed relationship 4. i wasn't expecting this, so i am rebuffing you for now.

MrE can quote these letters to his heart's content. That doesn't make the content so black and white. There isn't much there. And just because she FEELS guilty doesn't mean she really is guilty. (my vote is that she IS... hahaha... i am just being a contrarian because i don't like absolutes)
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FCL 271 - going ricardo means going commando... if SL were a pair of underwear....
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"Going Ricardo" means smoking the peace pipe and figure out ways to accommodate others in a reasonable manner.
And if you don't agree with someone, especially if you and someone have already figured that out six months ago, then there's really no need to repeat the same annoying arguments over and over and over and over week after week.
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Chairman @274
Fair enough. Reason 2 seems far fetched in light of what happened later. I will give you 1 and 4 though.

A bit of uncertainty in one's conclusions is always a good thing.
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@275 Ooooh. Got it. Thanks, Chairman.
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@276 Thanks, CMD! Chairman's explanation was more exciting but your explanation makes more sense. I'll incorporate both into my psyche.
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i misunderstood CMD's intent... i thought it meant leaving SL to the wolves (and going without) until the next thread...
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@ 276 - Sorry to break my promise, just wanted to say I quite like the "going Ricardo" thing.
That said, I cannot pretend that I am civil in all cases (I'm being rather uncivil on the SLLOTD thread right now - perhaps because I haven't smoked the peace pipe since Saturday), but yeah, I try to avoid repetitive arguments.

@ 279 - I also really got to say that you have the best handle ever.
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@279 Thanks, Ricardo! I fear it is sadly prophetic. Time will tell. In the meantime, I'm invigorated by venn's nickname for me: Ms. Future! So much more optimistic.
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Chairman @ 280
It was still a good one.
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I honestly have to think that LW1 is the only one who ISN'T an asshole. The LW has been dating this guy for a mere eight weeks and they have no agreement to be monogamous. Despite this, LW is concerned that the activity on the side might be assholeish, which assholes generally don't care about. I would say that as long as the LW isn't misleading dating-guy into thinking there's monogamy where there isn't, then seeing other people doesn't make the LW an asshole.

LW2: Stringing some poor girl who wants monogamy along while you do whatever you want while plotting to break up with her? Asshole. Let her go so that you can both find the relationships you want.

LW3: Pretending to be monogamous with a guy while you help raise his child and then screwing around, potentially hurting not only the relationship but the child by destabilizing an important part of her life? Double asshole. Monogamy is not natural for most people, it's a choice that they make despite temptation (that's why it's called "commitment"). If you believe you can't choose monogamy, let the bf know and find a way to gracefully depart the relationship in a way that softens the blow to his kid. Anything less would be asshole three times over.
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CMD, @ 276, like in some marriages?
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@273. CMD. I haven't done last week's style yet. Do you like wearing layers? I like layers.. Long singlet under a shorter top over pair of jeans.
Amazing you wear stockings, and your breasts to bed. No stockings for yrs and yrs , I was partial to net ones.
Let's see.. it's all about comfort, colours.. How about lilac. Difficult colour, so has to be a sort of blended in with other subdued colours. Just not sure what.
When I do my paintings, I mix all sorts of colours side by side.. Maybe I'm the clueless one here.
Sorry to hear your daily updates are defunct.
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future @269 -- "I didn't know a vast majority need the power kink." Well, vast majority is overstated, but it seems to be a whole lot. I have no idea obviously, it's just an impression I get reading here and elsewhere.
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Oh Late, it's really not such a big thing.
A continuum I'm guessing from mild Dominance, to super duper Dominance.
Sean did pass it thru the net up thread, the man needs to find out what the woman wants.. And I'll add, vice versa.
Some women like a man to occassionally just go for his desire and not focus on her needs. A man's strong desire is very charged and unimpeded by him stopping to check on his partners bits to satisfy, it's a clear and dangerous force.
Assuming we are talking a loving couple here, then the woman can trust the man won't hurt her.
It's just a buzz to experience that, as a woman, sometimes.
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Mx Wanna - You missed the most interesting deliberate statement in the thread - Ms Crinoline's retraction (I took Ms Horse's assertion that women don't assault the Drunk as inadvertent) of her thought that the dynamic would change if Couple #1 were gay men (which reminds me that the Newlywed Game has yet to shoot a special SSM edition, or at least I haven't heard about it). I'm not quarreling with the retraction, just potentially interested in why there was a thought that there was something there.
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I missed it too Venn. I missed a lot of this thread.
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@284 Being a Bear; I didn't get that he was stringing her along or wanting to break up with her.
I assumed she knows he is poly.
She is choosing to be monogamous with him.
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@201: Thank you!

@245: I characterise my foreign policy strategy towards our friend Eud as "Please don't feed the troll." He can make quite a bit of sense sometimes, but has a REALLY big red button when there is any hint of a man not receiving the 100% physical and mental fidelity Eud believes men are entitled to. I've realised he won't ever be reasonable when the topic is broached, so I take the strategy of putting my point across and moving on. Is that "going Ricardo"?

@273: I see Lava has already suggested lilac, a colour I also like. Spring colour, from down under? Pretty bows go with lilac, maybe some stockings with bows at the back. And black patent shoes to offset it perhaps?

It's Friday in my part of the world... Ricardo, pass me the peace pipe? :)
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289- Venn and BiFan-- Though I know this explanation will be inadequate before I begin, let me try.

When I read the letters to Dan, indeed when I read almost anything from a novel to a news article, I picture the scenario in my head. Sometimes this is easy. Sometimes I have to put more effort into understanding what's going on. Since no description can include absolutely everything, I fill in gaps. So when a LW uses a term like "dating", I think of what dating my entail. From all the possibilities, I fill in what dating might look like in this instance. Sometimes something in a letter won't compute. For a rough example, if one paragraph describes a character in a red fitted dress, and if the next paragraph describes that same character in a gold bomber jacket, I'm going to reread to see if I've missed a change of clothes. I might also assume the character was female initially, then, especially with Savage Love, go back and wonder if I can picture the character as male.

In this week's letter, I pictured a woman (with limp straight dark hair) with a boyfriend (kind of skinny) who went off to have sex with another man (with broader shoulders). Then I switched it up in my mind and tried to picture all 3 characters as gay. The picture didn't gel. I was unable to put any identifying features on any of them. I wasn't able to fill in gaps. I couldn't imagine how it would work. I had no imagination for what the initial dates had looked like or what any of them had said to each other. I drew a blank.

That's the best explanation I can come up with for my initial statement. Like I said, I know it's inadequate. It is the best I can do.
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Lava @ 286
BDF @ 292

Lava- Breasts to bed oh yes, stockings hell no.
I love layering, and as a woman there are so many more colorful options. I have a cute short lilac cmi tap pants satin set with white lace trim that will go well under some of my outer wear. Also have bra and panties to match. Stay tuned.

BiDanFan- Looks like you're into the girly type. Fine, I will gladly wear at home all the bows and black patent high heels you tell me to. But when we go out I'm a respected lady and also dresses up that way.

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@273
Not to butt in Lava but I must throw in my 2 cents:.. have this mental image of Mx Wanna in an orange-ey burnt sienna satin. It is spring down there in Oz but fall in the U.S., Also, stockings (with the seams up the back) and shiny black patent leather heels.
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Thanks for the summary, Lava. I find it interesting it's so obvious to you. Someone's in charge of the fuck most times or things get confusing, but the idea of getting off on that fact is just weird to me. It's logistics, nothing more. It's like getting off on the bed. It's a soft, broad, convenient place to get it on, but I'm not going to get all horny thinking of its flatness or squareness or the fact that it has blankets to roll around in. "Ohhhh my god, oh fuckya, this bed gets me so hard baby, look how comfortably I'm lying on my back, does that turn you on? You like how I can stretch out? You like that, don't you? Slutty little bed-lover aren't you, you fucking love that bed ya I know you do...."
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There's a 100% chance that TMI is an asshole. 100% chance she'll tell friend he is great in every way, but won't actually engage in a relationship (and/or, she will, begrudgingly, but will cheat).
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@296 Late - Someone's in charge of the fuck most times or things get confusing.

Really? How so?
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@288 Lava - I can relate to what you've said here, but it isn't gender specific for me, it's more about the high of being the object of extreme desire and the spontaneous physical actions that accompany that. I suppose there could be one gender specific element to that in my mind in that men are generally more physically powerful.
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Catching up more on the myriad posts I missed!
Lava @204: Yes, I was serious about LIAR finding herself a man with a cuckold fetish. Would seem to be the perfect match. (For future reference, when not being serious, I will try to include a winkyface icon.)
Ayn @194: You really, uh, nailed it. :)
Lava @207: Actually, I am saying that I'm against a bit of rough. Do not pull my hair, do not spank me, do not shove my head down when I am sucking your cock, do not "throw me around", do not call me a dirty slut. If those things are to be done, I will be the one to do them. Not all of us prefer men ranging from sort of dominant to very dominant. I prefer a range of submissive to equal.
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No CMD. Not wear stockings to bed. I meant just wear stockings at all. The Breasts to bed.
What are you talking about Late.
I just don't see where you are having a problem understanding what I'm talking about.
Or why you need to mock it. Is that what you're doing? It doesn't have to be an artificial performance, by anyone.
The man has the apparatus to dominate a woman, you see that? So, just use it. Not in some offensive way..
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No, it's not logistics Late. It's energy. Using the energy of desire to be forceful.
A woman may also run the fuck.
Her desire can push it along. Her desire just doesn't have a penis attached to it.
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And I'm not saying the woman only has to be passive. one can be in the fuck with strength yet still not impede the man's energy.
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Running the fuck:

In my experience it’s largely about pacing. If I’m having sex with a guy who has a long refractory period, I’ll generally let him set the pace. If he hasn’t decided to come yet but I’m ready for him to come, I’ll take over at that point.

If I’m having sex with a guy who doesn’t come because he’s on SSRIs, or who has a short refractory period, pacing is less of an issue and we switch it up a lot more.

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