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We've had socialism in the US for over 125 years. You guys have no idea what life is like under anything but socialism. You need to start figuring out that we don't have to live with just this kind of socialism. There are other kinds.
Don't tell me this is capitalism. You'd shit your pants if you spent 5 minutes living in a capitalist world.
(E.g. single, organized state-funded fire department vs. multiple private fire companies)
-- then it would make sense that the government do things that are ultimately cheaper and more functional for the majority.
Why it is the case that things have been made conducive for the rich to become phenomenally wealthy, while wages have stagnated for everyone else, AND the everyone else has to purchase their own fucking cars, deal with mounting personal debt, and constantly rising prices...
...When banks get bailed out, but homeowners get foreclosed upon.
...When education prices keep rising, and rising, indebting students in the 10s and 100s of thousand dollars. (University is free in Mexico...)
...When farmers face constantly rising prices to merely farm (and lower sales prices for their produce). ..
This doesn't seem like socialism.
At least not socialism for the many, ... but it does seem like socialism for the rich.
I don't know what fact-free "jackkay" and Mr. Cthulhu are talking about.
What *I'm* talking about is economic democracy. For the majority of people.
Or, as the Lawrence textile mill strike anthem put it "we need bread, and roses too".
Really? Because in practice it seems to be about seceding personal freedom to Bureaucrats. Handouts are a way to get the masses on your side but there just a means to an end...