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And you kids may be too young to remember how vicious attacks on Bill Clinton were.
So when Democraps claim opposition to Obama is racial they are blowing smoke up their own asses; opposition to good 0ld boy white southerner Bill Clinton was just as intense (or more), as is/will be opposition to his lying hypocritical cow of a wife.
Feel better now?
Close, but no.
We wouldn't be in this position... this wouldn't be happening.. the race wouldn't be so close.. if Joe Biden had won the Democratic nomination.…
you're welcome
Also President should always be in air quotation marks when using it in reference to
Obama's tenure.
The left doesn't like the Clintons. They're terrible. I cannot think of a bigger betray to the left and the courting of a war criminal like Kissinger.
Lookit that, the convention bounce finally faded, yet Clinton maintains solid lead:
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1570455
I have still not seen any of you chuckleheads provide an explanation for how this was supposed to work. Crystal clear that you really have no clue whatsoever what sort of country you actually live in.
Well neither had Hillary, believe it or not. Bernie didn't go after her email scandal, he didn't go after the Clinton Foundation, he didn't come close to talking about her health. All of these were floating around prior to Clinton securing the nomination, but Bernie let them be. Hillary's side ignored her massive unfavorable ratings along with her many vulnerabilities to tell us we couldn't "risk" a Bernie candidacy.
A lot of us Bernie supporters saw her weakness as a candidate. I'd rather lose fighting the good fight than with a candidate with whom I have so many serious flaws in terms of policy and background. She was an ardent supporter of TPP until it became suicide to admit it. She's proud to count Henry Kissinger as a pal. She had to be challenged from the left just to support a $12 minimum wage. She tells us single payer health care can never happen. Bernie has his vulnerabilities, but has so many strengths neither Trump nor Clinton share. He can bring over a lot of Trump voters -- those animated by anti-establishment sentiment rather than racism. Clinton simply cannot.
Sanders wouldn't be winning by double digits right now, but I believe he'd be doing better than Clinton.
If Hillary doesn't pull it out, however, I think it's fair to bemoan that Bernie didn't get the nomination. Would he have fared better against Trump? Maybe, maybe not, but if Hillary loses then we couldn't really have done any worse with Bernie, and maybe he would've won. In that case, I think the argument (that is, how far left should the party go) would be useful to have within the Democratic Party as the Second Republic of the United States is re-forming.
After the convention, HRC had an opening to reach out to Trump supporters - acknowledge their anger, validate their dissatisfaction, but help them (at least some of them) see that their anger had been misplaced by the Tea Party and Trump. Show them that she gets it, and that she has a plan to address it. She wouldn't have converted all of them, nor did she need to. But siphon off 5-7%? That's doable.
But no, she went mostly dark, allowing Trump to suck up all of the oxygen, counting on him to be a continual fuck up. She's playing not-to-lose. And Dan, if she does lose - to the most unelectable person to run for office possibly ever - yes it will be her fault. Any number of people, including Sanders, would have cleaned this clown's clock.
Could it be that the fault lies with the Clinton campaign? She is running against arguably the most unpopular candidate in the history of presidential elections and she's still struggling. . Whether you like to admit it or not, she is the poster child for a system that is thoroughly corrupt. This is why a con man like Trump a real chance of winning this thing.
Man you people are deluded. Nearly as wildly uninformed as your run of the mill Trump enthusiast. Dan Savage should continue to poke you good.
If Trump somehow manages to win this there is exactly one reason for this, and one reason only: the staggering idiocy of the American electorate. Full stop. That's it. All of the witless harping on Clinton's 'flaws', mostly manufactured by the right-wing scandal-mongering machine (and yet devoured and regurgitated endlessly by the supposed 'progressives' of the fringe left) is just verbal diarrhea. The real 'flaws' that are relevant to the cave people that may well decide this election are that she is a Democrat and a woman.
Again what we have here are a bunch of verbal farts. 'Gaffe after gaffe'? You are talking out out of your ass. And you cannot explain how Saint Bernie would prevail with his tax hike and his health care plan, because that simply cannot be explained without resorting to science fiction. To believe that it is plausible that American voters would willfully vote themselves a hefty tax increase on the wobbly promise that the government health plan that would replace their current health plan would end up saving them money eventually you would really have to live in some parallel universe.
Then again, which news outlet would have covered it? She has a child care policy and where has this been written about. Oh yes. Her web site. Trump and daughter mention one and all the left wing papers mention it. They have been excessively preoccupied with " what trump did next." He has dominated with his non policies, just his antics.
Obama won decisively on a universal healthcare and raising the taxes on the wealthy platform like Bernie's. Then he and the Democrats gave us mandatory insurance and continued the Bush tax cuts and lost the midterms. The conventional "wisdom" is deeply flawed. Hillary is talking about a tax hike modeled on Bernie's. No one believes she actually means it because she literally has secret talks with bankers for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
You have a candidate whose central proposals, dead center in his platform, are complete non-starters in this country, outside of coastal bubble dwellers who are real fuzzy on the specifics. Unelectable, unless Trump murdered someone or something, and even then we'd probably be looking at President Gary Johnson.
And that would have been the best-case scenario, assuming (since we're all engaging in fantastic hypotheticals here) he would have had a solid Democratic majority in both houses of Congress to push through his agenda. That's the thing all the "bu - but, Obama had Dem majorities!" crowd seem to fail to grasp: not ALL Democrats are Leftists. A Southern "blue dog" Dem is practically indistinguishable from a mainstream Republican, and even if they're nominally part of the D Caucus, they tend to vote very conservative. So, it's entirely likely he would have been even less successful than Obama in that regard.
DROP IT! FUCKING DROP IT ALREADY!
Your candidate won. MOST of the Sanders people he sheep-dogged into the Democratic party are voting for Clinton. But that's not good enough for you. You can't blame your own candidate for running a lousy campaign. How she always jumps to the convenient lie FIRST (it's allergies, no, it's heat exhaustion, but oh now there's a video of me collapsing, okay it's pneumonia). How she always plays to the audience that's in front of her ("Reagan was a hero in the fight against AIDS, Wall Street money corrupts everybody except me.")
If Clinton loses, would Sanders have done better? Who the fuck knows. But you're already playing counter-factual, assuming that if Hillary loses, Sanders supporters are going to act like assholes, so you're pre-emptively assholing against us. Please, please, please, please, FUCKING STOP IT. It's your candidate. If she blows it blame her, not Bernie, not the people who would have preferred him. Because you make me want to vote for Jill Stein out of spite. I probably won't. But you're really pushing me...
Also take a cue from Bill Maher who puts forward the same argument for voting Clinton, but who is being super classy toward Bernie and his supporters. That is how you win people over ... you charm them and show empathy. You don't bully them into submission.
And let me say as a Jew, it's absolutely true that the religion of my people would be a disadvantage.
https://twitter.com/jamescdownie/status/…
What I do know for sure is that if Clinton loses, it will be everyone's fault but hers. Everyone else is at fault, but never our gal Hils
At this point, Bernie is a moot point -- other than that the election is hers to lose. She and her followers certainly managed to piss off a lot of the voters that she is going to need in order to win in November (and I say that as one of the ones who is pissed at the way the primary was run, but is voting for her anyway because it's not like I haven't been voting for the least-worst candidate most of my voting life). The question at this point is, what is she going to do to woo those people back in the remaining seven weeks? Ginning up a preemptive case of sour grapes like Dan is doing here isn't going to accomplish shit. It may well reinforce their sense of alienation. If you need people's votes in order to win, you aren't going to get them by berating them into compliance.
the number of people who would not vote for a woman out of bias is smaller than the number who are biased to vote for a woman
See how easy it is to just make shit up?
Wanna try again?
@43: And did Obama's proposal involve putting substantial burden on middle incomes? Not all plans are created equal.
Not here to argue against single payer, I'm all for it. I'm arguing for rationality, and the idea that Sanders would be a more viable candidate than Clinton is not rational.
Here's a little something from last year about it: http://www.vox.com/2015/7/6/8900143/hill…
where insults of our intelligence from Clinton supporters are concerned;
We Don't Give a Damn.
Now pick your candidate up out of the gutter and brush her off and pray she doesn't break a hip the next time she takes a header...
If so, please let the mouse post instead of you.
Stating the truth isn't an insult to your intelligence; thinking you can get away with passing off your unsubstantiated, pulled-from-your-ass bullshit as cogent is, however, an insult to ours.