I've never seen a pitbull aggress another dog, and the only times I've ever experienced that happening is when some dumbass is running on a path and freaking the fuck out because a dog wants to sniff them or see why they're running.
..it's hard to make a case against letting dogs go at each other for entertainment when you aren't out there trying to stop them from being eaten.
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The strangers misguided hatred of pit bulls is getting old.
I'd say: I prefer not to use bare hands, but yes: gouging eyes is an excellent and proven method to slow ANY violent animal attack (bear, dog, those damn fiesty squirrels), ...including from humans.
Good article - fairly entertaining, slightly educational I suppose for those who haven't endured a dog attack before. Love the art. Dead on true about using forarm. Meanly-trained Rotties, Dobes and PB's like tasty fingers. Trust me.
The key thing is that dog fighting take place in rural areas: if you have your dogs in a modern, safe kennel, and you fight them well away from civilization, then fine. I think what you're doing is stupid, but I don't really care. What I do have a problem with is this culture's base in urban and suburban areas, where there are kids and other tasty forms of meat walking around.
Just want to shatter any impression that all dog lovers are outraged by this article.
The point is, you *didn't* write an article called "How to defend yourself from an attacking dog". You wrote one -- specifically -- on "how to defeat a *pit bull*"
In other words, if you are attacked by a German Shepherd, or Doberman, or even a Rottie, you're fucked -- because this guide is only for Satan Spawn Born Evil Pit Bulls. Stranger is not concerned with non-stereotypically-violent dogs.
(I wonder what Golob says about the Stranger's canine eugenics?)
Never buy a pitbull pup without meeting both of its parents. Even then, there's a lot of inbreeding with the breed, which can amplify negative behavioral traits. An awful lot of the extant pitbull stock comes from recent attempts at breeding dogs for pit-fighting contests. Fight breeders selected the strongest and most blood-thirsty dogs to breed with each other, and breed a lot of them, because they have a high attrition rate. Many of those pups that aren't strong or vicious enough get sold or given away into the pet market, despite them having genes for really bad personalities. And if a couple of those are later bred to each other, watch out.
The sweet, child-friendly, protective "Buster Brown" dog bears no resemblence to these fighters with their massive T-Rex heads. Yes, it is the breed, at least as it's presently constituted, sadly.
As a small woman I often feel like potential target/snack for these dogs/biological weapons/walking manifestations of human rage. It's nice to have options.
I was once rushed by an unleashed pitbull. I froze--thanks self preservation instincts!--fortunately it was friendly or I was passive enough not to incite it.
How to spark interest in an increasingly vapid alternative weekly and increase hits on its website:
1) Write inflammatory, ignorant article in print edition.
They believe they have a constitutional right to casually intimidate their fellow citizens.
When I see a pit bull owner I think some combination of daddy issues/small penis/low self-esteem is being worked out on the public stage.
Sorry, pittielover, but this statement shows that you are not a good dog owner. How is the runner supposed to know the dog's intentions? You should KEEP the dog from approaching runners in the first place. You obviously do not properly control your dogs.
311_TruthMovement @109 said:
Only if you're deluded. Otherwise it's pretty easy, actually.
That's like posting and article on "how to kill black people" and then later on saying you can use the same methods to kill any other race too.
1) Relying on sketchy statistics
2) Not disclosing The Stranger's links to DogsBite.org
3) Setting up and knocking down straw men (humans' anxiety at fault argument, really?)
4) Possibly bad info (is playing dead really a smart idea when being savaged?)
5) Not getting input from "the other side" Isn't Dan always going on about this with pot stories?
105 has a point. There is a Pit Bull problem. Too many are vicious, too many attacks. The problem is real. And a lot of it centers around this breed. So how do we make the problem better? In deciding how we should act, it is very important to distinguish the *reason* for the problem. The Stranger thinks the problem is the breed. I think it is thuggish and/or ignorant owners. I think The Stranger is unwilling to pile onto these owners of bad dogs who are (let's be honest here) usually poor, black, and dysfunctional with a sprinkling of white trash. Basically your train wreck demographic.
For the sake of argument, lets say we ban Pit Bulls. Do you honestly believe that the 20 yo drug dealer owner will say "oh well, I guess since it is illegal, I'll just not have a dog at all! Oh look, I think I'll go help that old lady across the street!". No, they will just move on to another breed. There is a type of person who thinks they need a mean "guard dog" to keep them safe, and to enhance their image. These people will just pick a new "it" dog, and destroy that breed too.
So, these are my proposals, that will make a difference.
1)Make back-yard breeding illegal.
2)Make neutering mandatory, unless you you have a breeding permit.
3)Make seizing dogs much easier. If you are caught without a dog license the dog should be seized automatically. Then, you will be able to "adopt" the dog back from the shelter (if you and the dog pass the shelter's screening procedure!) once it is licensed and neutered.
4)Make seizing dogs on cruelty grounds easier.
5)If a dog bites a human, it should be put down. End of story.
Your statement is clear evidence of just how little you know about dogs. Apparently, you've never seen a dog gleefully roll around in its own (or another dog's) shit, or worse yet, eat it.
I have one more tip: this one is for stupid parents: KEEP YOUR KIDS OUT OF DOG PARKS.
I wouldn't let my dog loose in your child's playground, don't let your child loose in my dog's dogpark.
The problem is that half the dogs I see in PEOPLE parks are OFF LEASH. And what happens is when your stupid dog comes running at our kids we have no idea if it's planning to lick them or eat them.
If so-called pet owners don't want to be responsible, maybe they're better off not having pets.
@ 115 answers your very good question. 115 has it right - these dogs are exhibiting EXACTLY the behavior we bred into them. Unscrupulous breeders select for aggression and breed the most agressive dogs together - to result in just the kind of nightmare scenario that Brooklyn Reader describes.
All you 'it's not the dog, it's the owner' people out there take note: it IS the dog, in this sad case, much more so than Dobermans or Rottweilers. It damn sure IS the dog that's the problem, a problem only exacerbated when lowlifes own hella snappin pits. You just have to wrap your minds around that fact: it IS the dog that is the problem, because we've bred it to be. Unless ALL pit breeders start selecting and breeding for gentleness (ha!), we will not, in our lifetimes, see the return of the Buster Brown-type pit bull dog. (And that's a real fuckin bummer, because pits have all kinds of potential to be truly great dogs. Chalk it up to the shitheel-ness of humanity that we're in the fix with them that we're in now.)
And hey @ 109, 311TM - you've got a strange view of dog-fighting, dude. Because you think it's mostly a rural phenomenon, you're not bothered by it? Really? Outta sight, outta mind, right? Right...........
Please get your information from a reliable sourse (not Dogsbite.org)! For those of you who don't know- the highest number of dog bites are currently being held by the dachshund breed. You have a better chance of being bitten by a lab or a retriever than a pitbull. I work with dogs all day every day and can truthfully say that a dog, regardless of breed, age, and sex is what we humans make them to be! For some reliable and trustworthy websites check out:
ANYONE who sites or quotes Colleen Lynn of Dogsbite.org is a total idiot. Her website is 110% pure propaganda and slanted information. The woman was bitten by a pit bull years ago. GET OVER IT... In the course of rehab'ing and training the fight out of these abused and neglected dogs, I been bitten over a dozen times and I still believe they are the greatest breed known to man.
DO NOT MISCONSTUE an abused and neglected, over bred, ameciated, and fought for profit animal for one this is vicious. Sure, any animal enduring such horror should not be out in public until completely rehab'ed and trained and all of its medical needs are taken care of.
THAT is what some of us spend a life time doing while the rest of society shoves its head in the sand and chokes on EVERYTHING the government and media shoves down their throat.
One of the very most convenient things the government and media and loose cannons (Like Colleen Lynn) forget to mention is... the pit bulls who attack and end up on the 11'0'clock news make up less than 5% of the over all population. They also convenienty fail to mention all the good things and positive experiences people and other dogs have had with pit bulls.
Since they choose to conveniently omit this information... I WILL share it:
Until complete crazed losers like Colleen Lynn or Kory Nelson (Denver, CO) or KingHuman (Youtube) are ready to step up to a "PUBLIC" debate on the issue of Pit Bulls... I have nothing to say but "Go Back to 1949 McCarthyism where you belong. There is no place in the new milenium for your or your witch hunt."
Chef David Edelstein and Team Pit-a-Full
Like owner, like dog.
The owner was startled and said "we've seen him go after bicyclists before, but never a motorcycle." Which naturally made me wonder: if they'd seen the dog go after bicyclists, was that not enough to leash it?
Something important to note here: not only is there a leash law in Seattle (and other) city limits, but Washington state law says that dog owners (but not cats!) are liable for damages caused by their pets. All of them. Fully.
So that dog owner ended up paying for (quite expensive) repairs to my motorcycle.
This type of law is not unique to WA, but not all states have it. I do recall in Massachusetts hearing of (urban legend?) case law that established that a driver that deliberately ran down a dog in a town with a leash law + state "liable for all dog damages" law and the dog owner had to pay for damages to the driver's car.
IANAL, YMMV and all that.
I love dogs.
Please keep yours on a leash in the city, choose not to have a dog in the city, or move to the country if you want to let your dog off leash.
I've been rescuing and rehabing dogs for 50 years and have never been bitten by a Pit Bull. At the present time I have seven dogs in my home: one is a Pit Bull and one is a Boxer/Pit mix. All seven live in harmony and have full run of the house and yard.
I think Mr. Schmader needs to brush his teeth, clean his filthy mouth and find some decent adjectives. His writing is poor and his choice of words shows a lack of intelligence.
The usage of "Pit Bull" in the heading of the title, is, as some have pointed out, obviously to antagonize, but at the same time, inform the dear Stranger readers.
Funny, because I was at a tattoo convention in Philly last weekend and talking to a woman running a anti- BSL (anti-breed law) campaign in defense of PBs. Interesting that she knew to target the "tattooed tough- guy" stereotype as to be very partial to the breed.
Blah, blah- they can be cute and nice and all, but they are BIG and STRONG. A child, much less a grown adult would be mincemeat in seconds if one ever went apeshit. Dachshunds- hardly.
Again- kudos to the excellent drawings!!
Mixing this sort of dog with the American Bulldog and Mastiff which are used for human protection work undoes that characteristic. So does breeding solely for viciousness without regard to being able to handle the dog.
If you have a dog, it's reasonable to be overly cautious of pits. Plenty of clueless owners insist their dog is 'just playing' when it's clearly showing signs of incipient dog aggression, and for that reason alone should be very well-controlled on leash when out and about. But as for people- I'd be more worried about the German Shepherds and Rottweilers in terms of breed, but mostly stay away from any dog on a chain.
This small group of fanatics is the modern day "KKK" (Kooky Kanine Klan).
There are already 4 different breeds deemed to be "pit bulls" and if one adds another 32 different breeds COMMONLY misidentifed and THEIR Mixes it amounts to nothing more than Canine Genocide.
The average "pit bull" type dog is 45 to 65 lbs how BIG and STRONG can that be? The only professional tests done on bite force put a German Sheppard, a Rotiweiler and a Pit Bull together, after TWO tries the "pit" came in 3rd BOTH times.
Time for the media to get informed before they put pen to paper and do PROPER research BEFORE doing so.
Its all about a buck to sell to advertisers...sick people you are, writers. Maybe you should change it to gun-tottin Starbuck drinkers...you are just another idiotic trash magazine trying to sell to your advertisers. I hope your 'newspaper' goes down in flames. Right after my pittie chews the crap out of it!
"oh not my pit bull. My pit bull is the sweetest dog in the whole world. It's all how you train them."
Seriously, keeping on this sensational anti-pitbull stuff is not doing anything for your alternative journalism credentials.
Yes, there occasionally are horrible consequences that arise from people owning powerful animals that they don't have the ability or desire to control. Same with guns. And booze. Talking about how to defend yourself against a drunk hobo, crack head or street thug won't rile people up enough for the Stranger though.
The Stranger should stick to covering what they're good at - lame bands, nightlife and city council members.
It's dead simple, pitbull fans (no pun, really).
What is a breed designed FOR?
Dalmatians were bred to run alongside French royalty's carriages and snap and bark at any commoner who got too close.
German Shepherds were bred to assist WWI veterans who had been blinded by mustard gas.
Greyhounds were bred to run.
What do you think a breed called PITBULLS was designed to do?
You put them in PIT with a badger, bear, lynx, or other dog and bet on which animal will survive. Pitbull fighting goes back over 500 years in Spain and central Europe and longer than that in China.
They are not, nor have they EVER been, a companion breed or a dog bred for guarding people or property (like German Shepherds and Rottweilers).
They have a powerful stalking instinct BRED INTO THEM and they have a 'gameness', meaning they're willing to take on an animal larger than themselves (including people).
It's like reading the label at the grocery store.
Owning a pit bull is not like owning a gun. A gun is not capable of acting independent of its owner nor can a beer act independent of its consumer.
I'm stunned how polarizing this article is, as it simply outlines how to defend against any dog attack. And even if you hate math and facts, statistically speaking if you are going to be attacked my something it is a pit bull.
Pit bulls are dangerous because their size and potential for aggression can cause greater bodily harm than most other readily accessible to the general public . There certainly are larger and stronger dogs but they are hard to come by and expensive. An out of control Bull Mastiff will kill the pit pull attacking you then kill you.
Your "pit bull is like a gun" simile however does touch on the idea of regulating the ownership of certain breeds based on size and aggression like guns should be regulated. Do you need a license to own a bb gun? No. Machine Gun. Yes. Breeds like Bull Mastiffs are already regulated to the extent that the cost of buying one means (mostly) those owning have invested time and money into dog owner ship.
Of course gun regulation hasn't been going very well either as equally hysterical arguments are made about impinging on freedom, or demonizing guns when really guns don't kill people, people kill people. Just like pit bulls don't kill people irresponsible owners kill people.
It reminds me of some of the unforgivable BS spewed by republicans when they attacked healthcare when they said "oh sure thousands might die because they don't have insurance", but LOOK thousands die in car accidents.
Again, NOT THE SAME THING. These are preventable deaths. And anything that may educate the public in preventing these death is quite simply a public good.
And all you folks out there who are frothing over with outrage over this little newspaper piece: just what is so AWFUL about learning how to protect yourself w/o weapons against an attacking dog? Isn't that good information to have?
If you're shitting yourself over the term 'pit bull' in the title, ask yourself why that is. Don't pit bulls, like other dogs large and small, attack? Wouldn't it be good to know what to do in the case of a sudden canine attack, when you find yourself without a handy 2x4 to pick up to defend yourself?
Critical Thinking: It's Not Just a River in Egypt!
Where in the link you provided by CDC the breed of the dog responsible for bodily harm is mentioned???
To the author, I really wish you'd receive a good education from a reputable institution where they actually teach you the data gathering science and use of verifiable sources - dogbites.org is a hysteria fueled website that does not provide any factual statistical data, nor do they reference verifiable data sources.
We can all write articles but we are not all editors.
Have a good day.
P.S. David, I hope you reply to my email. Well, it is my hope.
Might be worth your while to do your homework on the groups you cite.
You want to know about dogsbite.org? Take a look at this link.
I can tell you've never even interacted with any of the breeds known as pit bulls. In the infamous words of bugs.......what a maroon.
Everyone knows the stereotypes about pit bulls. Why not write an article with the FACTS that dispel some of these myths? That way you could still have pit bull in the title, you could still have controversy in the discussion board, and you could have an actual piece of reliable journalism on your hands instead of some bullshit drivel that references one wholly inaccurate and sensationalist website.
By the way, the author's "reaction" was pure masturbatory bullshit. You sir, should be ashamed to call yourself a writer or, god forbid, journalist. Do some fucking research.
Here's the answer to your question:
American Pit Bull Terrier was designed by selective breeding for dog on dog combat, and be gentle with people because there were at least 3 people handling the dogs in the pit.
I hadn't thought of pepper spray, it seems so obvious now. Thank you, David. It was a very good article.
If we give singular non-expert opinions like Colleen Lynn's idiot website media plugs, can I expect the Stranger's next major article to be on the Flat Earth theory? Got's to be journalistically fair, and all that, them's round-earthers have hogged the media outlets for too long.
Pit bull Advocates of Washington
Pit Rescue and Foster
"PUNISH THE DEED NOT THE BREED"
How intelligent would it be to try to fight dogs that a person cannot handle? When it is hurt? Excited? Angry?
Are there misbred Pitbulls that are Nutty as a fruitcake? YES Should they be put down? Yes.
Blame the owners of the Human Aggressive dogs and NOT the entire breed of dog.
My daughter was severly bitten by a Husky. Here we are Pitbull owners and she is bit by another breed.
Go figure. How about the stray dogs that killed my cat but my pitbulls love my cats?
I would gladly kill an attacking dog of any breed but guess what? Not ALL owners are dumbasses like the ones that let the dogs run loose,.
Thanks for the fear-mongering bullshit, The Stranger. You sure are getting good at it.
If you're on a bike while charged by a dog, stop while swinging your dog - side leg high and dismounting opposite the dog. Keep the bike between you and the dog. They've turned away when I've done this, but you gotta be prepared to fight 'em.
Unless you already have a good head of steam, it's a gamble trying to outrun the dog, if you lose the race, it'll put a hole in your thigh.
People who own pit bulls should have to carry a $5million bond on each animal. Those that can't or won't get said bonds should have the dogs taken away. All pit bulls in existence should be sterilized immediately and let the species die out in a few years.
Additionally... What miserable journalism. I bet you'll make a lot of money by pissing people off. As a dog trainer/lover/advocate, as well as someone who is painfully aware of how obnoxious and yes, occasionally dangerous a dog (of any breed) can be, I would be quite satisfied if you lost your job over this article. If you'd done some research into the most up to date, scientifically sound training methods, you'd probably be embarrassed to use a Bark Busters "behaviorist" for your expert. And I'll bet Emily Keegans would rather gouge her own eyes out than be associated with this article. Great job.
Fact: Dog bites haven't been scientifically tracked in the U.S. since 1999...dogsbite.org is a fanatical group of bloggers who clip news articles with the word "Pit Bull", that's all.
I bet they even included the recent attack by a guy's PET BULL that was initially mis-reported as PIT BULL and later corrected...nothing to do with a Pit Bull but I bet it's in their "statistics".
Your last president & Co. Just laid waste to well over a million humans...whats 30 more...
Really Though, I've known more Pit-bulls since the '80's than I can even begin to count. Without admitting to any felonies, I can honestly say that I've owned, seperated two males intent on hurtin each other countless times...(my bare hands damn near in their mouths with a breakin stick, never once been bit) & lived with Killer, Champion Fighters that you could let loose in a daycare center fulla kids & the worse thing that would happen is a kid gets hit too hard by a wagging tail. Personally, I've only known one person thats been bit by a Pit-bull and as soon as the dog realized he was biting a human instead of the dog that was try to attack him, he let go. Accidents happen.
Unless an idiot makes the mistake of teaching a pit to attack humans, this breed does not have it their genetic code to want to hurt people,only other animals, they love us. Unlike German Shepards, Rottweillers, Dobermans, etc. Man-made Breeds created for the sole purpose of protecting Man from Man.
Never teach your Pit dog to harm a person...bad,bad,bad...get a Nazi dog for that.
And If a stray pit looks at you funny and your thinking about(trying to)gouge its eyes out or, play Turtle, At least try this tactic first: Yell at it in a demeaning voice, "Bad dog"..."Did You Do This", & Point at the Ground away from you...You might be surprised at what happens.
I KNOW that I could kill a pit without getting to badly hurt, I also KNOW that this particular breed has an insane tolerance to pain...Physical pain that is, but their 'feelings' are sensitive.
There are exceptions to every rule. Of all the Pit's I've known, only one was Born Bad. I wish that was my same track record with humanity.
Posted by lance"
Where's your research 'lance'? If you knew anything about Rotties, you'd know they originated in Germany as guard dogs (NOT a fighting breed). Prior to that, they were used by ancient Romans to herd and guard livestock.
One of the tests done on Rotties (and German shepards AND Dobermans) at national kennel shows is the disposition and response to strangers test. The judges walk up to and around the animals, look them in the eye and then squeeze their ears to check for over-aggression or fear biting. Dogs that snap or react aggressively are removed from the competition.
That said, backyard breeders of America have done a good job of destroying the qualities of the Rottie breed by specifically breeding them for aggressive/fearful behavior so they can be used in pits ... to fight pitbulls.
Further proof pitbulls are a stupid breed, stupidly over-bred by idiots who live in slums and think it's butch and cool to walk down the street with an animal they can't control.
Although, if enough pitbulls "accidentally" bite and kill their idiot owners ... maybe that'll be progress.
to those posting that pit bulls aren't a specific breed you also have no idea what you are writing about. unfortunately, the name pit bull has taken on a generic meaning similar to kleenex. kleenex is a specific brand of tissue, but when someone needs a tissue (like tito) they ask for a kleenex. got it? so any big headed stocky dog is called a pit bull. el wrongo.
for pete's sake, the majority of dog owners have no business having a dog in the first place. dogs give plenty of signs before something bad happens. people just don't get it. regardless of breed.
how about just banning all dogs over 25 lbs within city limits?
i wish i could give a dollar for every time i was scrutinized for being a pit bull owner. maybe then some of you guys could buy a clue and realize that its not the dog, its the owner! if you don't have the time, means, or patience to be a responsible owner, you should not own a dog (any dog).
Defending oneself from animal attack is at least useful. And for all you shocked and outraged readers, it would help to remember that the first line of defense (rightfully listed here) is to avoid conflict. Re-read the first item - it's not that different from advice given by most wildlife experts when dealing with cougars, bears etc. Don't pose a threat, and don't make eye contact.
An aggressive pit bull or Rottweiler simply cannot be handled the same way as a Lab. Except for the eye-gouging, everything here cited expert advice. If you disagree, why don't you find a better expert and post about it? You can debate the odds of a pit bull attack all you want, but if you're ever in that position I doubt you'll all be so squeamish about protecting yourselves.