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Jun 17, 2015 at 4:00 am
Even Internet Homophobes Deserve the Benefit of the Doubt Sometimes
Sometimes people learn and grow because they actually learn and grow.
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Ms Azalea, from this report, appears to have gone and sinned no more. If memory serves, Mr Grier may have amends to make to others as well, but I am certainly ready to acknowledge how he might have done better since his offence.
I think Mr Savage has inadvertently fudged the time line here. If memory serves again, Ms Scarcella's acceptance of Mr Nash's *original* apology (this seems a more recent one) followed the offending video rather closely in time and included not only her saying things that would have been acceptable (whether one agreed or disagreed) only coming from Mr Savage or some other member of the target group but a forgiveness which was as premature as it was presumptive. It was the sort of forgiveness one would offer someone contrite about a verbal or physical accident such as dropping and breaking one's Royal Doulton teacup with the hand-painted periwinkles; Ms Scarcella accepted that Mr Nash had already done better before he'd had time to demonstrate that it wasn't just a sorry-anyone-was-offended sort of apology. But I am prepared to believe that she may have improved over time as well.
Growing up in the South I cringe now when I think of the way my friends and I used to talk. Just like many young men we used gay and homo as disparaging terms without even thinking about it.
Now I've grown up, experienced more of the world and benefited from a liberal education. Thankfully no one has dredged up any of my old AOL Instant Messenger logs to pluck some vile quote out of context and thrust to the top of google search rankings for eternity.
Obviously a stuck up
her arse sort of young woman. Still, she has apologized, doesn't that count anymore?
Bullshit. She did mean harm. That's why she chose those words. It's not an apology if you refuse to own your actions AND intent. Fuck her. Fuck her non-apology, and fuck you, Dan.
All very long ago. I was young, and scared, and didn't really have a backbone yet. Deeply insecure.
You learn, you grow. Those of us who are older are more forgiving because we have done some of that ourselves. We can see the contrast between our conduct present and past.
I'm less willing to forgive people like Alec Baldwin who said some stupid offensive shit, apologized, and then later said stupid offensive shit again. He seemed oblivious that the shit he said was offensive. One the one hand, he sometimes says the right progressive things and has generally been an ally, but in moments of drunkenness or anger, the homophobia bubbles to the surface. In times of stress, he releases his inner asshole.
These two seemed to have backed up their apologies with action. Neither has said offensive shit since then. They seemed to have learned from their mistakes. I will totally accept that.
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M? Gentrified - That might be worse. I'm reminded of the gay engaged LW to wrote asking Prudie if he had to invite his uncle who'd voted against marriage equality in the state legislature to the wedding, and Prudie came as close as possible (allowing for its being his wedding, to which he could invite people or not as he chose) to saying he did, basing a large part of her response on the idea that maybe the vote was representing the will of his constituency and not a personal belief.
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I'll combine things for an off-the-cuff not-sure-how-serious-this-is prediction: If marriage equality is established and survives the first sustained backlash, there will be a serious attempt to shorten the alphabet soup community's main acronym by removing the G to become the LBT community.
This is savage, rabid, disgusting and outrageous hate. It's going to take more than a stupid little tweet or two essentially saying, "Sorry brah, I was young, you know, so we're chill right! Here lemme kiss some dude, gross right, but dude to show you know how chill we should be. Dude, so now we're chill, right?"
F*ck Nash Grier, he's utter filth and we should NOT accept his half assed apology and transparent pandering. (On an added note, his Dad said he was going to be made to apologize before he did, so even more reason not to accept his "apology")
http://www.dailydot.com/lol/nash-grier-t…
This isn't casual hate. This is 24 months ago calling people fags, telling people not to support gay rights or gay marriage.
This guy is a useless tool. I'm sorry, the only reason he apologized is to stop the backlash.
Everyone who is saying to just get over it, or that what people are upset about is such an insignificant issue, please reread the points made in the comments @34, because that's the real trouble with Iggy, not just her homophobic past. And the Iggy issue was just the last straw for the people of Pgh, revealing a much bigger range of issues with Pittsburgh's Delta Foundation. Their organization structure, and operations are the real focus of the discontent that erupted when they announced their choice of performer.
Too bad Dan only acknowledged the homophobia element of the issue with Iggy. So shocking that an affluent cis gay white male wouldn't see the bigger picture. Color me aghast!!
Oppressors obviously live into it. Victims can live into it by persistence in claiming the offense taken even if none was truly meant.
"Victim dominance" is much harder to address.
The common everyday example is when one says, "Hey, that hurt." Then the response, "I'm sorry. But you know that you have done etc., etc." Even if apologized for, the victim dominance rises up.
Do any of us truly accept the apology when given? How many store the "incident(s)" until the time is right and then use it (them) to justify revenge?
The Ferguson rioters (arsonists) must have felt justified in some sense. But they took it out on the wrong people....or in their own mind were they the wrong people.?
Azalea posted the offending tweets in 2010 and 2011, when she was 20 and 21 years old, and she has subsequently deleted and apologized for them.
Shouldn't that is be was?
Like, there is no way out from that trap.
51/LavaGirl, I've heard her name but don't know anything about her music. She should have a different name though, like Rhody Azalea or Miss Iggy Azalea or Iggy Pop Goes-The-Weasel Azalea or iggy No-I'm-Not-The-Voice-Of-All-Those-Characters-On-The-Simpsons Azalea.
that she reboot herself, and use one of the excellent names you have suggested.
Giving new meaning to "down under."
Actions are worth more than an "Oops, I'm sorry." If you are truly sorry, donate your time or money to an appropriate cause. Don't simply issue a statement written by your publicist.
http://bossip.com/1035394/fancy-racist-a…
My teen's take (and whose judgement I deferred to) is poor Iggy can't rap. She really can't. Not even her own song. She's taken a lot of heat for appropriating a culture she doesn't understand and to top it off, doing the job badly. The vine that went viral.
http://www.vulture.com/2015/03/vine-that…
Now she's royally pissed and needs a new stage. Sounds like she's on her way to becoming the Divine Miss Iggy. But that's redemption for you. All in the marketing as old as crucifixtion and indulgence. Not to mention, the payola -divine.