Weird, I read the news everyday and I read the Stranger and/or Slog every day (not the same thing) and I remember nothing of this story. The very first thing I thought when I began to read the story is why the fuck do the POC leave the campus, why don't the white people, the privileged people leave? So yeah, initial reaction in the first 30 seconds of reading this story is this is going to be about white people claiming they're the victims. YEP.

As soon as the guy ran to FOX news to tell his story, that ended it for me. The guy's a racist douchebag and just like Aaron Schlossberg and Sarah Braasch, we're supposed to believe that educated, intelligent people can't POSSIBLY be racist assholes. WRONG.

Anyway, I read the whole story here and I don't see how it's complex in any way. The white guy didn't want tradition to change and got a boat load of shit for it. Boo fucking hoo. He's an asshole, he didn't lose his job, and somehow something was learned by all of this? Doesn't seem like anybody learned anything to me. Cancelling the Day of Absence doesn't teach anybody anything other than "if things don't go down the way they always have and the way some white douche bag wants them to, we just won't do them at all." See how that works?

Oh and it's really interesting how POC are always expected to PROVE that the racism they are experiencing is "real," while white people just have to say stuff, no matter what, and it's taken at face value. More bullshit.

"Instead of people of color leaving campus, last year, a campus group requested that white students, faculty, and staff leave on the Day of Absence instead"

Try not to reuse multiple syllable words in any given sentence!

holy shit @1 & @2 were talking about Evergreen college, you do know about Evergreen right? The fact that this happened at Evergreen of all schools shows how divided this country really is. Your either far left, far right or a "racist asshole/liberal snowflake".

WTF is this TheStranger.com "longform feature" layout. Dislike!

The notion that a racist would enroll in evergreen or teach at evergreen is insane to anyone that is from this area.

The word racism has lost all meaning and all power if you believe @1 and @2

'equity' generally has a meaning that is different from what bureaucratic equity appears to have come to mean.

I am not really sympathetic to Weinstein/Heying here. In my general university experience people stay in their lane and work on their work, whether it be research and teaching at a large school, or teaching plus some research at a small one. For Weinstein/Heying, lack of 'hierarchy' seems to mean that they get to go on about how to make the world a better place rather than just teach their classes, do their research, and produce functional students. I can see why people with that interest beyond what most faculty do would not be a good fit (or would not be hireable at all) at any other school.

To the extent that Evergreen has deans/provosts for concepts that chair committees producing plans that the faculty don't get to vote on, they may have missed out that Evergreen has become a more hierarchical organization than they thought it was. They may have been fine with that when it was the faculty chairing those committees, and they were in charge and got to veto, or they may not have been, they may have really wanted the school to operate by consensus across all faculty members. But it hadn't been doing that for a while.

George Bridges is an incompetent who is rapidly making Evergreen no longer a unique beacon. This could have all resolved much better, even if Weinstein had acted in an actually offensive manner, which he did not. Professors should be able to call a horse's ass what it is, and should be able to do so without sinking into politics.

I could never be a college professor. How could one put up with such bullshit from these brats.

There are two types of folks in the world:

-Those who are interested in truth, and want to make the world a better place, such as Weinstein, Heying, and most others.
-Those who don't care about truth, and don't want to make the world a better place, such as Trumpkins, the brats at Evergreen State and the first poster.

The 2nd group is a cancer on society.

Some of those “adults” in that video participating in mob violence genuinely deserve an ass kicking.

Anyone remember the demands from the student mob, which included free good grades and no testing?

Adults. Self-reliant, responsible, autonomous beings.

Go home, collectivist filth.

"This included a professor in a computer science course who told the class that he doesn’t see race."

Everyone conveniently forgetting that this was the progressive talking point from the mid-60s to mid/late 90s, it's what everyone 35 and up learned as the appropriate, progressive way to interact with race in America. Now, I always thought "not seeing race" was a BS ideology (it would require the destruction of cultural differences and homogenization), but we're in a Hardcore Animal Farm era.

It is, as they say, not a bug but a feature of core intersectional values that a 'marginalized' person need not explain an accusation of bigotry much less back it up with evidence, that to expect as much is an act of oppression in itself and the only acceptable response from the accused is one of immediate, unquestioned contrition, apology and submission to instruction as to their needs.

In other words, these are people with the emotional maturity and moral integrity of toddlers who nevertheless carry can administrative power at least and sometimes baseball bats. I'm enormously sorry for what happened to Weinstein and Heying but honestly it should come as no surprise.

I'm with David in Shoreline. I've seen the podcasts with Weinstein and Heying. I genuinely believe that they were trying to protect a unique set of values in an institution they cherished.

Nice piece!

For me, the story isnt whether Weinstein is a racist or a bad liberal/traitor, but why on earth would any institution blatantly disregard student/staff safety by letting this sh*t play out? Why allow anyone to shut down a core mission and line of business - teachers teaching classes, students occupying campus - in the name of any ideology? How did thy forget they are funded by taxpayers and students who will lose years of income paying back debt? There is a lot of hubris in this thinking, particularly given that it’s a bunch of liberal white people looking to frame the conversation about race. Bridges needs to go if Evergreen wants to survive.

I am attending Evergreen in the fall for a masters program. Because of this issue, which, to be clear started with Bret Weinstein, I will be attending a school that has become a target of the alt-right. I will be attending a school that has had death threats against its students. Weinstein claims to care about Evergreen passionately but he cares more about its principles than the actual students otherwise he wouldn't have gone on Fox News of all places to air his grievances. He put current students in harms way. All of this - this is on him. None of this wouldn't have happened if he hadn't made it an issue. As for the groups of students patrolling the school with bats - that isn't great, but they were being dumb, overly zealous youth and got disciplined. What is Bret's excuse for his behavior?

Also, this is yet another article that conveniently fails to mention that the Day of Absence event was and has always been voluntary. White people were never asked to leave campus. This detail somehow keeps not being mentioned.

Great article. I'm glad someone took the time in depth and examine one of what is usually a fleeting outrage-du-jour.

As someone with some small aspiration for carving out a place for myself in academia, I found a lot of what was going on at Evergreen really disturbing.

I would never, ever want to teach or study at a school that did not place academics at the very heart of the experience. What I have read in this article makes me question whether I would be inclined to hire an Evergreen grad at all. It seems to me that the emphasis of the institution has shifted away from education and towards something else.

What is needed here is a solid grounding in epistemology.

Teachers generally are granted a limited authority based on recognition of their expertise, that is, their years of study, work, writing, and thought. Good teachers will not rely on their authority to teach their class however. They will teach you other methods to test propositions.

Those methods vary. They may employ the scientific method. They may employ logic. They may employ methods of gathering and weighing evidence. They may employ argument and discussion.

Anyone who tells you to set aside all of those methods for testing truth or falsity and to accept their word or be ostracized or shouted down or hunted or worse has no business in a university.

Every single, last student who disrupted that class should have been expelled. Every single, last faculty or staff member who encouraged such behavior should have been fired. And the reason why is because they betrayed the very foundation of what a university stands for.

@22 Sounds like you're going to fit in at Evergreen brilliantly.

Thank you @Katie, for a great piece.

@22 If you don’t feel safe, why are you going to go there?

If one believes the purpose of college is to prepare children for adulthood, then one could argue that Evergreen is doing their students a huge disservice.

Students patrolling campus with baseball bats — the scamps!

Prof granting an interview to the same network Obama granted numerous interviews to — unforgivable.

@22 I found Weinstein's turning to Fox News to get a forum deeply offensive, no matter how much no one else wanted to give a public hearing for his statement of "principles", and have continued to be equally troubled by many of the people who's ideas he's been legitimizing by associating with them, even now. But I'm getting a clearer sense that he isn't remotely the one at fault for how any of this spun out of control at Evergreen.

Your position of people or over principles just pushes me farther away from blaming him. If academia doesn't rest on a bedrock of core principles, how can you hold anyone's feet to the fire for bs biased work, and even more importantly how will good work undercutting the dominant structure of social relationships in our society get any traction or legitimacy if its solid footing on a foundation of principles is no longer the measure of its legitimacy? Much of the reason for attacks on "intersectionality" by the Right are less because of the term's rather shallow use in the back and forth of identity politics than because of the challenge to the status quo social and political paradigms arising out of hard empirical work being done by academics working within the conceptual framework of Intersectionality Theory in sociology. If we don't value the core principles that underlie the legitimacy of such academic work, then its conclusions and questions can be belittled as just personal opinion....

@28 While college undergraduates tend to be young, and therefore in my opinion should be forgiven a lot and mostly left the fuck alone because "look at what WE'VE done to f&%$#k the world in comparison", the purpose of college is not to "prepare children for adulthood," just as the presidency is not an internship for introducing individuals to the basics of how society and economies function and interact in the world. However, middle school and high school could be offered as institutions whose purpose is to "prepare children for adulthood."

People over principles..

Is it ok to kill nihilists?

having graduated from evergreen, i'm torn between the hope that either the school does well and thrives and validates the time and money i spent attending there, or that it just falls to pieces so i can recoup my student loans like those everest college people did...

@22 "white people were never asked to leave campus" - can you support this argument in any way? My understanding is that that's the fundamental issue that kicked everything off - "a campus group requested that white students, faculty, and staff leave on the Day of Absence instead". Don't you dare say that requesting is not asking.

@30 if you don't have an issue with what Weinstein said, I'd imagine you should be questioning the motives of the other media outlets who didn't want to hear his story, rather than attack him because of the platform he used to get his message across. What are you, some kind of NFL owner who supports protest but only in "the right way"?

Oh, I like your modern update on "he associates with negroes" argument, nicely cloaked in some "he's legitimizing his associates by the act of existing". C'mon, now you can't even call that a straw you're grasping at at this point.

Here's the deal: If the center if your criticism isn't the actual ideas presented... perhaps you're... well you fill in the blank.

Do kids not read Animal Farm anymore? Or is that book too problematic?

@1 & @2 You're really ok with telling a jewish person where they can and can not be based on their race?

gtfo you nazi

@36 "After legal fees" yo. Unless you know how much their lawyer cost, you don't know how much they made.

political correctness is communism.
hope that helps.
these are totalitarians. brainwashed, prone to violent outbursts, RE.Arded by their cultural influences (brainwashing), made LESS functional, less fit for society as a result.
this is what happens when you let emotional teenagers think they know what they are talking about. nope. they don't. you know how i know? because the vast, vast, vast majority of adults don't either. too emotional. but teens? almost nothing but emotions and posing to impress peer groups. pretending like they have useful things to offer EN MASSE is moronic, and this is the result.

lolololol at the left eating their own.

Wow. Sounds like this reporter can join Bari Weiss in the "Intellectual Dark Web" with Weinstein. If you haven't read that piece in NYT opinion page please do. It highlights Weinstein's tone deaf narcissism. As a parent of an Evergreen student I am grateful Weinstein is no longer at the school.

White people always get a second act.

I'm about the same age as these two, and I recognize young radicals grown cozy with age when I see them. It's always the same - when we're young, when we're at the center, that's when we're sure that radicalism is appropriate. Our views are correct, even if they upset the authorities. Then we get older, and we use the radicalism of our youth, which is now mainstream or at least marketable, to guarantee us status, jobs, publication, etc. And once we've got nice lives, oh, then if the young people complain then they're fascists and excessive and incorrect and they don't understand the complexities of the situation, which we can explain to them in measured language.

This story follows the usual rehabilitate-the-white-people pattern, too. I don't find it persuasive. I've lived on this planet long enough to notice how often white people complain about how anti-racist efforts will ruin scholarship. And how, to my fellow white people, racism is always over there - over here, where we are, everything's great and POC are just whiners, and the real racism is always off over there somewhere where the very bad people live.

It's unfortunate, because I think this rightward drift and discomfort with the new are risks for everyone on the left who gets older and less precarious. I don't think you have to be some kind of monster to fall into this trap, and I do think that it's hard for older folks to deal with the inevitable stroppiness of young radicals. But I also think that we can look critically at our own situations and reason based on our own experiences as young radicals rather than assume that our viewpoints are the most progressive possible and therefore young people are just incorrect and whiny.

@40

Herzog is very much a fan of Bari Weiss and wrote an effusive piece about Weiss's "intellectual dark web" recently.

@40 - I'm sure you're glad he's not here. Hope your kid enjoys Evergreen. It's going to be the highlight of his or her life. The rest of it is going to be spent serving food at restaurants and yelling at you because "I'm 34, I don't have to live by your rules, even if I'm in your house".

If I were an employer and someone applied for a job listing Evergreen as their college on the resume it would go straight into the trash. Who needs to hire someone who attended that indoctrination camp?

@34

I've read that no one was required to leave campus. Given the rest of the post from @22 it's fair to consider from the context that perhaps @22 meant required.

Didn't Weinstein offer to give a lecture about race from a "scientific" perspective?

IIRC the premise of his lecture would have been "I know the science of race and you can STFU if you want to say anything about race that's not science-based."

But pretty much anyone who is anti-racist already knows that there's no scientific basis for the race, so it sounds like Weinstein just wanted to do some Louis CK-style intellectual masturbation in front of the social activists on campus.

"Why is the white boy so scared?" woman asks, while groups of hostile people stalk around campus with baseball bats searching for him, after trapping him in his office with threats of pepper spray.

You can't make this shit up.

Katie Herzog: You said (Neither Love or Lowe responded to requests for comment.) Literally in what ways did YOU reach out to Lowe and Love for comment? Did you honestly in the physical work make an attempt to reach out? Or did you just not make any attempt to contact either of them and parrot what another writer said about them not responding? Journalistic ethics, much?

Katie Herzog: If you are going to being Chaplin/Thompson into your article, do more research than checking an Olympian article or two. There was never an actual skateboard attack, and the two were found guilty of a lesser charge--it is not accurate to say that they attacked the officer with a skate board and then were found guilty of assault. It is accurate to say that the officer feared an assault, and the two were found guilty of NOT what they were originally charged with, but instead assault 3, which is only "officer perceived threat of" assault. Seriously. Research.

Thanks for the great article Katie. As a graduate from Evergreen, I'm thankful for the education I received there. It truly WAS a unique and wonderful learning environment. Apparently those days are gone. One only needs to watch the videos that the students themselves posted to know what you are dealing with here. Education without a free exchange of ideas is not an education at all.

@41 "white people always get a second act" generalize much?

My poor alma mater. Things were so heated nationally. I can only imagine what the atmosphere on campus was like.

I'm proud of Evergreen, its students and fellow alumni, for all the pushed buttons I'm seeing in these comments, though. @41 has it right, but I love seeing these complaints, someone ought to collect these and pass them around campus for a laugh.

@41 - so... racist is anywhere where anyone cares to assert. Fact checking is for suckers. Cool. You do you. The rest of us will continue to live in a world where we try to square claims with evidence and act accordingly.

@49 - so... you know literally NOTHING about the author's attempts to reach Lowe and that other one for comments, you make up the entire interaction in your mind as you imagine it would have (or should have) happened, and then you attack her for the imaginary interaction in your "brain".

Wow. I bet your great great grandmother is ashamed to be related to you. I would be.

@53

I think you actually kind of touch on something important.

At the time that all of this went down things were heated. I knew people that basically had messy breakdown after messy breakdown for months and at least one or two people who got out of politics altogether because of this period.

The thing is that the staff of Evergreen either knew or should have known their student body and acted to keep things from getting out of control.

Instead they made things worse.

Also, Weinstein is either super brave or an idiot. I'm not sure which.

I say that because he should have known how bad it was getting in the student body and laid low until all of this blew over. Anything the people higher up than him did could have been undone after everyone calmed down.

And the students? I hate to say it but I'd give them more of a pass than anyone. Everyone was freaked out at the time and were looking for something, anything to do to fight Trump and/or the things that caused Trump to be elected. Calmer minds who remembered the last time something similar happened(Reagan) should have stepped up and tried to calm everyone down instead of trying to play "Woke Olympics".

Unfortunately we are where we are and it is a very real possibility that Evergreen might not survive this.

To answer someone's earlier question about why I am going there if I am afraid - I am only a tiny bit afraid. I think "uneasy" would be the more apt word. But the masters program I am attending is supposed to be really good, and I know people who have gotten good jobs after going through it. It is near to me and (relatively) affordable and I like Olympia.

Also, Evergreen has been and continues to be the target of right-wing politicians, who have called for to be shut down for years. I am sure Weinstein was totally aware of that before he went on Fox News. He is putting the institution in danger and he must have known that. Not just the students but now clearly the college itself.

A few other things - I can't help but wonder why this article had to be written? This was written mere weeks after Weinstein was profiled in the "Renegades of the Intellectual Dark Web" written by Bari Weiss, in which among Weinstein's company profiled in the article includes misogynist Jordan Peterson. Why does this article get the "fancy format" treatment? Why did the editorial team deem this worthy of publication? One can only imagine it is for the clicks at best and possibly catering to the Jordan Peterson-type crowd at worst.

@57 I graduated from Evergreen in 2015 and I loved it. The school really does come together when it needs to and I don't regret going for a second. You'll be just fine at Evergreen.

@29 Dan-> If Weinstein had substance Fox News would have put him on the news side (the one Obama talked to) not the entertainment/race-baiting side that it shifts to after the early-bird dinner special is over. All Weinstein is for Tucker Carlson is an example of Libtards turning on themselves. He's not laughing with Weinstein.

Shorter #57: "Why do people show interest or write about in things I don't personally like?"

Evergreen will be the perfect fit for you, I have no doubt about it.

@57 it was written because it's a specific, local story the author is interested in and relates to a broader trend that many authors are interested in. I'm interested in what your criteria for "which articles need to be written" and wonder what percentage of your actual reading would clear that bar.

Thanks for the article, Katie.

These students are playing right into the hands of the right-wing, who would love nothing better than to destroy our society’s norms surrounding free speech and evidence-based reasoning. All the better to consolidate their grip over this country.

By attacking these norms from the far left, these knuckleheads are just softening the ground for neo-fascism. I’m sure Steve Bannon and his ilk are taking notes and making plans.

These students and their professorial gurus will not go down in history as monsters; they will go down as fools.

"Gross and deliberate mischaracterizations of the event in 2017 provoked violent threats by students against staff and faculty"- fixed it.

@56 - Weinstein was not given a chance to "lay low". It's hard to "lay low" when you are being assaulted in your own classroom. As for the students - no wonder the acceptance rate is near 100% for Evergreen. All you need to be able to do is write your name on a piece of paper and pay money to get into that institution. And that shows in the quality of the student body.

I didn't think I could like these two less than I do now, but this article has brought me to utter contempt for them. Thank you, lowlytootle, for your good comments. These two pandered to the lowest common denominators in this Trump-worshipping culture, Fox News and the racist, white supremacist alt-Right and alt-Left as well, and then they cashed in and they are still cashing in. It will be the demographic uniquely served by Evergreen -- creative, artists, mostly queer -- that suffers for this bougie, navel-gazing, white-tears garbage. I am so very disturbed by what Weinstein and his wife have done. Contemptible and disgusting.

Also, whomever said a professor saying he "doesn't see color" is just fine because people said that back in the day, I guess we call any group whatever because somebody did back in the day. But, par for the course in this horrible time in our country. May Evergreen survive, thrive and lead the way for the rest of us.

@57: So the problem wasn't the story, it's the fact that the story was leaked to the press. And the solution is to fire the leaker, and for the press to stop running stories like this in the future.

This sounds familiar.

The story wasn't "leaked to the press", it was packaged and delivered to Fox News and the right wing in general, because this crowd demonstrates consistent hatred in the direction of young folks like those who attend Evergreen and the professors who teach them, and they can be counted on to incite the aforementioned to violence, which is precisely what they did, to wit, the hateful, racist idiot who closed the college down with his phone call saying he was on his way to Evergreen shoot and kill everyone. Weinsten and his wife weren't leakers. They are spoiled brats who can't countenance it and turn bully when they don't get their way. Sounds familiar.

@68 ClarityJ, what, precisely, are your free speech principles? I mean the "general free speech principles for arbitrary individuals within society".

It sounds like a perfect storm of mistakes on the part of nearly every party involved. It shouldn't have been allowed to reach such a fever pitch. Also, going to Fox News was a horrible idea. They are not just a right-leaning new outlet, they are intellectually dishonest and propogandizing. Weinstein sounds smart enough to know this. It seems like he was trying to start a shitstorm.

I obviously don't know all the details of what was being asked of the faculty at Evergreen, but a move towards equity centered instruction and hiring practices has been happening at Universities and community colleges around the state for years. It simply means if you want to work in education, you need to have a basic knowledge of the subject, the issues caused by inequity, and best practices for equitable treatment of students. Not a big deal. Also, any quality teacher already knows (or is in the process of learning) how to run a student-centered, equitable classroom. I don't know... maybe he should've just done what he was asked to do, maybe attended a training or two, and then continued to do his thing.

Academics and social movements rarely mix well. They are based on competing principles of freedom of thought and data based research vs. bias for action. I see good people on both sides.

@57

Good luck in the fall. I hope you will enjoy the look of utter bemusement on the employer's face as you are forced to explain Evergreen's ridiculously bureaucratic evaluation system instead of just telling them your GPA. Also all the tedious anti-Israel propaganda they shoehorn into literally every field of study. Fuck Rachel Corrie.

OMNIA EXTARES!

I'll be damned. A good article and real journalism on The Stranger? I'm sure this must be some kind of mistake.

@72- I (and everyone else) had forgotten about Rachel Corrie. She was a darling of the stranger for a minute, wasn't she? Also, fuck Rachel Corrie.

@34 @69 If you ally yourself with Trump in order to achieve some limited goal that is important to you, however noble, you have in the end still allied yourself with Trump and inevitably helped him and his corrupted cesspool of supporters and parasites achieve THEIR goals. I think Weinstein and his wife were deluding themselves in thinking this was, and is, the only way for them to proceed.

@65 - you are a perfect alt-lefter. Basically the same grime and muck as Trump supporters, you just hate the other side. They hate brown people, you hate white people. They hate geology, you hate biology. They hate the poor, you hate the middle class. They hate immigrants, you hate the locals. Same crap. You're no better than a Trumpster. Hating the "right" group of people doesn't give you moral superiority. You're just as intellectually and morally vacuous as the flag-waving morons at Palin rallies.

@75 - so your suggestion is to never work with anyone you disagree with, even on something good. Never ever reach out to those you dislike, or feel are wrong about majority of things. So after the Civil War, instead of pardoning the rebels and sawing the nation back together, the Northern Army should have simply mass-executed every single soldier and supporter of the South, right? Does being a self-righteous fraud keep you warm at night?

@75

1 - So you are saying that appearing on Fox news, for any reason, is the same as allying with Trump?
2 - Which goal did Weinstein help Trump achieve?
3 - Are you comfortable in a world where the forum in which you express your views is more meaningful than the views themselves? Does that sound like a free and just world to you? Do you think it'd be fair if Republicans organized a advertiser boycott of The Stranger to fire Dan Savage because he appeared on MSNBC? (Don't bother lying: You think the answer to that question is Yes - it would be both fair and appropriate for conservatives to do such a thing. That's the bed you're making)

Whatever, I wish I could say I was done arguing this point. Everyone here who's against Weinstein et al, it's only because you don't fear the same thing happening to you. It's "privilege" as they say. I hope Katie writes more about her process of losing that privilege.

@77 Working with someone doesn't equate to appearing at that someone's campaign rally supporting the election of people who are fine with torturing pregnant women, soliciting money from foreign governments on behalf personal business ventures while making policy decisions about those countries, using the levers of government to suppress the votes of specific racial and ethnic groups, etc. etc. If you are fine with all that shit, that's on you. But it also makes it hard to for someone to work with you if your core principles are all up for negotiation, or if you are a self absorbed fearful person looking for a strong man to tell you he will keep you safe whatever the price, or if you simply enjoy the suffering of others, as long as it isn't you. Are you really saying one must accept the legitimacy of Fox News in order to be able to resolve any problems we face as Americans and as humans on the planet?

An BTW, get a little better on the details of Reconstruction history. Your white slip is kinda showing there buddy.

@79 what the fuck, dude. We can see your comment above. You are pretty explicit in stating that working with someone DOES equate to appearing at that person's campaign rally and supporting the election who are fine with torturing pregnant woman (cite?), soliciting money from foreign governments on behalf of personal business ventures, etc.

You: "If you ally yourself with Trump in order to achieve some limited goal that is important to you, however noble, you have in the end still allied yourself with Trump and inevitably helped him and his corrupted cesspool of supporters and parasites achieve THEIR goals".

Whatever. you're a fucking problem. You clearly have a brain of fucking jello and I'm sure you'll be gleefully tossing copies of A People's History of America into the public bonfire, you garbage-ass traitor.

@80 Working with someone is quite different from allying yourself with their PR arm. People's Fucking History? This ain't history man. This is all happening right now. Cite? Fucking cite? Wake the fuck up. We just placed an unrepentant torturer* to head the CIA and our federal government has a policy of taking children away from their parents as means of punishment and coercion. This is all undenied and a part of the public record, not some subtle investigation by a "fringe" news organization.

This is way beyond discussion of topics like whether massive tax cuts leads to overall better health care. You and your allies are apparently reveling in all this "winning," feeling freer than ever to cackle goulishly over things like reminiscing about the bloody death of a young person like Rachel Corrie.

Traitor? A business venture of the freaking President of the country just received a 500 million dollar investment from a Chinese government owned bank at the same time as he out-of-the-blue lifted sanctions on a Chinese telephone manufacturer believed by the US government to be using their tech to spy on Americans, including the US military. This is all part of the undenied public record. Is there anything at all you won't excuse in the service of holding on to that "winning" feeling you have?

*Literally ordered and oversaw torture, while later disobeying a direct order not to destroy the video evidence showing how horrendous it was.

@81 That said, any objective analysis of what happened at Evergreen, before and after Weinstein went off to avail himself of the outstretched "helping hands" of Tucker Carlson and Fox News, clearly shows that serious mistakes and lack of ordinary appropriate steps by the university administration were the main problem in the whole affair.

RE: Evergreen Salaries -- @36 & 37, you have no idea what you are talking about. No Evergreen prof is making more than about 84K, and that is only after 40+ years. Evergreen is a public institution, so the salary info is transparent, and you can find it here: http://www.evergreen.edu/facultyhiring/salarygrid

I implore everyone, but especially @shoobop, to do at least a few minutes' research before jumping to an incorrect conclusion and then making an ass of oneself by posting that erroneous stance in a widely read public forum!

I think Bret and Heather were probably in the 75K-ish range, each.

So, after the obligatory 1/3-ish cut for the lawyers, that 500K settlement starts to look a lot more like a 2-year window of compensation, for Heather and Bret to figure out what to do next. And they are doing so in a very uncertain situation that has extremely disrupted their life plans. I am absolutely confident that Bret and Heather planned to teach at Evergreen through to retirement. To have that future so thoroughly disrupted must be a very stressful and uncertain situation.

@ 72, I think you have your middle initial all bollixed up... :-)

@75-77 looks like a potential Russian troll to me....

@ cracked.... I give a thumbs-up to you, including #81 and 82. Thanks for giving us like-minded people some common words to ponder.

@82, exactly. I’d love to hear more about Bridge, the guy on campus who was actually in charge when sh*t went down. This clusterf*ck is on him.

84

Maybe they can get in on some of that Jordon B Peterson/Dark web money.

@81 "literally"

then fucking link it.

@36/37, @83:

Weinstein's Salary is a matter of public record: http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries

From 2012-2016, he made a total of $332,400; an average salary of $66,480/yr. Heying made $327,400 over the same period, averaging $65,480. Solidly middle class figures. Combined, it's less than what @36/37 and their wife makes.

"All this was happening in the midst of the 2016 presidential campaign."

And it played right into the Alt Right's narrative that those pushing for more (much needed) diversity on campus were completely out of their minds.

If there is one thing we can learn from this mess, it's that the racist right and racist left feed off of one another - and they actually need each other to thrive.

"Education without a free exchange of ideas is not an education at all."

Welcome to the new world of the zero sum game, @51. The far right believes the United States doesn't have a single spot left for one immigrant or refugee - and the lunatic left thinks one white professor is one white professor too many. The two ends of the political spectrum pretend to hate each other, while at the same time mimicking one another, using the exact same rhetoric and tactics.