Tonight I will go to the Slog Happy where Americans will be making with the snark and the drinkings. Then to the Wet Spot for to make the report of tomorrow.
What is this bullshit? I went to another country and it was different. I presume that the things I'm used to are better than what I found on the shelf at QFC. Retarded.
That might have been true a few years ago, but now France's obesity levels are about where ours were about 15-20 years ago - 14.5% obesity overall, and 22% for the French poor. Just like Mexico, where obesity was almost nonexistent 20 years ago, but now they just surpassed th USA as the most obese country in the world.
Give France 10-20 years and they will surpass the USA as well. They are adopting an American diet, just with more incredibly unhealthy foie gras, veal, and butterfat.
My french roommate eats Danette chocolate pudding snacks... (Danette is French! And therefor Superior!) which are pretty much like jello chocolate pudding snacks EVERY DAY after lunch. And chips, lots of chips.
The Bread situation, sans doute. Le fromage, aussi.
Love the sausages from the region near Luxembourg/Belgium. But in general the culture in France is nothing special. I sat through Le Petit Nicholas two weeks ago, the smash hit film in France. It was about a grade Z sitcom, worse than a bad 'Friends' episode. And the supermarkets (Hypermarché) there are full of stupid Teeny-girl mags, etc.
Yes France does have wonderful French food. What they don't have a lot of is wonderful Japanese, Chinese, Thai, Indian, Indonesian, Korean, Mexican, Ethiopian, Russian....food. They are just barely getting sushi in Paris and the place that was recommended to me was pretty bad. We have a lot of shit food in the suburban grocery store, and a lot of great ethnic restaurants in the city.
Don't listen to them, Julien, that was hilarious. Americans can be a little touchy, but then, so would you if you still had Velveeta cheese in your stomach from 1972. Keep up the good work (pretend I said that in French...)
"Cheese liquid squeeze bottle. Its composition and its manufacturing process can get a liquid, innovating for a cheese. The 150g bottle spout promotes new uses of cheese: decor, support, trim, mix ... SQUIZZI positioned itself as a new culinary aid available to the housewife. In addition to its very low fat content, SQUIZZI developed a very rich aromatic bouquet, appreciated by connoisseurs"
I never knew the French had Cheez-wiz.
@11 YES. Savage, Frizzelle... you guys HAVE to take him to report on the Puyallop Fair on a Saturday. I want to see what he has to say about the epic brick pits of endless BBQ.
9 - ftw.
These are worn cliches not worthy of a post. If you want a really disgusting experience, go to the midwest. There you can get deep fried cheese curd, a Culvers "Butter Burger", and oh, the portions are four times what are served here.
I'd like to ask the French Intern, if you're real, to not counsel Americans to eat more bread. We don't need it anymore. We don't need anymore butter or Nutella "orgasms" (we have Nutella too, guy) unless it involves putting the topping on my crotch and having some guy or gal lick it off. We're too damned fat. Also, please don't tell us to put fried eggs on our hamburgers. We'll just get more fat.
Seems like the area has plenty of natural food/farmers/markets etc. I only shop at these places because I don't mind dropping an extra dollar for a little health benefit but I don't begrudge the shoppers of at the corporate grocery places because I've been poor before. The system is rigged to encourage us to eat pudding packs, frozen veggies, and microwave Mac N Cheese.
Julien: great post! The rest of you -WTF??? I thought it was brilliant. Made me laugh. You all should have some coffee or maybe a few cocktails before posting.
French hypermarches are chock full of this same kind of stuff -- boxed mac'n'cheese, spray cheese in a can (thanks for the link, Simac @7), garbage sugar cereals, and so on. That's what real French people eat most of the time these days.
It's funny, too: last night I watched Bourdain revisiting Paris, and guess what? All the hot new ideas in cooking are coming from New York, from America. France is lovely, but it's a museum culture.
Il est difficile de voir pourquoi les Americains pense que les Francais sont impolis, egoistes et snobs... :-)
Quand j'habitais en France il y avait des differences culturelles qui m'ont etonne. Dans les supermarches francaises le lait n'est pas dans le frigidaire mais sur les rayons. Les oeufs aussi. L'horreur ! Mais je me suis rendu compte tres vite qu'il fallait essayer d'adapter plutot que de me moquer de un autre pays pour aucune raison sauf qu'il est different de mon pays. Pourquoi vivre dans un autre pays sinon pour avoir une autre perspective ?
D'ailleurs il est chiant de se plaindre de tout, tout le temps.
But overall he's right. A lot of the stuff we eat here of the pre-packaged variety is very wrong. Julien, keep critiquing us. It will drive everyone bonkers. This reminds me that I want to visit places like Strasbourg, Alsace, and Brittany.
A friend of mine works with a Frenchwoman and has to hear this crap all day long. In order to preserve her sanity, my friend keeps a list of everything that is "better in France." I'll just save Julien the trouble of future slog posts and provide the list so far:
danon yogurt
mint chocolate chip ice cream
the way you dial phone numbers
cat food
security
lettuce
beads
tuberculosis testing/treatment
manners
mangoes
houses
tuna
clothes washers
Curious about this: "et mon cul, c'est du poulet?"
My high school French reads it as "And my ass, it is of chicken?"
I'm assuming my high school French has failed me again.
Fun fact: my expatriate Quebecois grandmère (turning 98 this month) was kicked out of her French Catholic junior high in northeastern Massachusetts for speaking improper "kitchen French".
37 - I actually do think France wins in many ways. I'm sure they have their problems, but the tea partier types aren't the ones getting all the attention right now. When SS age is raised to 70, I wonder if we'll hear a peep from the American public.
@34, you need to read Stephen Clarke's series of books starting with "A Year In The Merde", wherein he tells the story of a creation of English tea rooms in France called "My Tea is Rich", an obscure play on "My tailor is rich", a famously bad phrasebook translation.
We're a little crazy about our food over here in the States. Yes you can get canned, pressurized, food-like products that NO ONE should eat. But at the other end of the spectrum, we take "fancy" to a ridiculous extreme. It's not enough that products like meat be high quality, some of us insist that the animal also had a fun, fulfilling life before we kill it and cut it up for dinner.
Julian, why don't you give our farmer's markets or PCC a try? You are in Seattle, you can find pretty much anything you go looking for here.
I hope you will try to experience the breadth of what we have to offer and provide your unique take on it, stepping outside of what is easy to create something artful, original or at least interesting.
I get that this was supposed to be funny, but its the equivalent of going to Paris and writing a story on body odor. I also don't think racial or relationship stereotype humor is funny. This isn't the 80s and I'm not on coke. A little more creativity please.
Wow...when I first saw this post, an hour ago, there were no comments, and then an hour later, forty-nine. Impressive.
On the one hand, I'm thinking "fuck this guy, talking shit about America, the greatest thing ever," (I learned to speak French just so I can read his posts), on the other hand, I adore the pleasant jabbing of American culture from a perspective of French culture, and on the third hand...how very French of French Intern.
C'etait une rire et moitie. Funnier than Jacques Tati or L.F. Celine. I would love for you to share your views on the U.S. election cycles and candidate marketing processes next.
i love this shit! funny post! but you will learn stereotyping goes many ways and its a bit more complicated than the obvious. most of us here know about the shitty food etc, and how perfect the french are (ah hem) but what about where shit overlaps or goes in the opposite of what you expect? anyway i look forward to more of your funny notes.
Learn where to shop. Seattle actually has some of the best bread in the world, widely available. There is plenty mediocre food in France. That one can buy canned green beans there, that are no better than any American brand, says it all.
Actually, come to think of it, I think French Intern should to a round of eating at local French joints, and judge them on how awesome or not awesome they are...
Ah, give the guy a break. He's French! I'm sure he's under a lot of pressure to live up to cultural stereotypes and engage in a lot of pompous shit-talking about the U.S. Julien, you might check out a farmer's market sometime. That whole thing you wrote about the fresh bread, fresh butter, and walking home with a newspaper under your arm? We can do that here too (except the part about the sun caressing your skin, since we're in Seattle).
And if I can bring the snark for a minute: If you're here to learn from American journalists to report the facts and not your own opinion, why are you interning for the Stranger?
Adored it. Want to hang out with him for days and days. Could be that I'm a foreigner too and was kind of startled by some of the finds in American grocery stores. Could be that French makes me hot (talk about a cliche).
That being said, yes of course there are many lovely farmer's markets and little bakeries and etc, etc. The post was not a blanket dismissal, he did not claim that there is no good food in your entire city. I laughed out loud at a few of the responses here - there's a reason for the stereotype of Americans taking themselves too seriously!
Okay - I thought this was hilarious, but it immediately made me think that this French kid doesn't actually exist, which hadn't crossed my mind initially (although it should have).
@17 for the win
@41 It's not Chelsea. Unless you were trying to be funny. In which case - fail.
You ought to read "In Defense of Food" and "Food Rules" by Michael Pollan. He draws a distinction between "food" and "edible foodlike substances." I'm sure France has some edible foodlike substances of its own, but the U.S. has raised it to a fine art.
However, I must say that Velveeta Shells and Cheese is one of my favorite comfort foods. To keep myself from eating it all the time, I restrict myself to buying one box once a month.
IMO, any country that puts cassoulet and venison pâté in their version of an MRE has earned the right to kvetch a bit about gross American mass-produced processed food products.
Some of my best memories of eating great food come from working at Pike Street Market selling produce at "Sosio's". Chefs would come in early and buy a box of Haricot Vert and invite me to lunch to try the dish they were making with the beans that day. I would always take home Chanterelle mushrooms and sauté them for dinner. The amount of fantastic food I was exposed to while working there was fantastic. I really miss that hard work and the experience of learning about food and being able to share with people from all over the world that I got to interact with while selling produce.
You don't have to go far to experience good food. Seattle has great food.
@71, not when they have all of those same gross mass-produced garbage foods themselves, and more. Did you not look at @7's link? We got nothing on the French for junk food.
Your tongue-in-cheek post was funny, Julien. However, if you were a real Frenchman you would know that real French families use convenience foods on a daily basis. Knorr soup mix--ubiquitous. That Bear Creek stuff looks tastier to me. The mom in one family I nannied for fed her kids instant mashed potatoes for lunch every day. They buy packages of toast! And then they smear butter and jam on the cold, dry, prefab toast! They use instant coffee all the time, often made with hot water from the tap. The other mom I lived with used to mix raw frozen vegetables and mayonnaise and put them in frozen pastry cups for a "fancy" appetizer. And on and on. And this was the early eighties. I assume processed stuff is even more common now. Yes, they used to have better bread, but now even American supermarkets have artisan loaves that are at least decent. Tomatoes. That is the only thing that is consistently better in French stores than American, but even then it's not that hard to get decent produce these days. So, yeah, you must be a sock puppet. C'est dommage, Julien. Tu es si mignon.
Eh, come on. None of you love to visit chain/big brand supermarkets in foreign countries? I love doing it and looking at what we all have in common when it comes to crap we put in our bodies. Italian supermarkets typically have fantastic cheese and deli counters, but they're also packed with mass-produced cookies, sugary cereals, and candy. I think it's a great way to bond with a new place -- shop where *most people actually shop.* I love knowing what kind of junk food a country likes to eat, because it feels less self-conscious.
Doesn't mean I don't also love the tiny mom-and-pop operations as well as the lovely homey bakeries and open-air markets, blah, blah.
@18: I was pretty sure the deepfried Mars Bar was a Scottish invention.
I like the part where he described morning time in France. Lovely.
And I agree with what he says about American food in general, but, come on! This is Seattle, not Tampa (no offense, Floridians, but your grocery stores are abysmal). We have the best groceries, butchers, cheesemongers, farmers markets, cafes, etc., in the country. We are want for nothing fresh and delicious here. So his berating of our foodstuffs would work better in New York, or some other city that doesn't offer easy access for all people to fresh foods.
Funny post. Then again I'm a weird American who likes her toast with Vegemite and butter or with grapefruit marmalade served alongside her doppio espresso. Well done.
Gloria - shopping in grocery stores in other countries is literally one of my favorite things to do when I travel. Something about the combination of the familiar/everyday environment with the unfamiliar foods. Plus, I have a huge sweet tooth so love seeing/buying all the different kinds of sweets.
As for the Mr. Bieber, he is of course Canadian, not American, and even sings in French. And French folks aren't really in any position to be talking shit about anybody else's pop music. Ever heard of Lorie? Or the inexplicably massive Mylene Farmer, who has sold 25 million records in France?
Though I do have a lifelong massive crush on Francoise Hardy and all the ye-ye girls. And just about my favorite band is French, Watoo Watoo.
But that's not what we're talking about here, is it? We're talking about trashy magazines. No such thing in cultured France, right? Except for Closer, Voici, Public, or for teens, Phosphor.... Plenty of trash culture in France if you know where to look.
I am so with you on the magazines. I try to avoid celebrity news but the position of those shitty gossip rags at the checkout aisle of the grocery store makes it impossible to not know about (celebrity I've never heard of identified by first name only)'s shocking breakup with (other celebrity I've never heard of identified by first name only). Gossip is okay only if its both true and about someone you either know personally or have a relevant stake in (like a public official caught in a form of wrongdoing that actually affects you). I do not appreciate having this indecent, irrelevant-to-my-life, lowbrow trash shoved in my face every time I go to buy food!
I do believe he was making a joke about the fantasies many Americans have about life in France i.e. biking to near countryside villages for banquettes and jam. I’ve never met a French person who thought that life in France was more of a paradise than Americans think it is. Not saying they’re altogether unpretentious.
@83: I'm with you on Floridian grocery stores. I once had a five-minute go-round with a cashier at a Publix over a) what the hell balsamic vinegar was and b) she wasn't sure if my WA ID was real because "I never seen them zeroes with lines in 'em."
So, Julien, you've probably noticed by now that some Americans have a hard time laughing at themselves, and don't get subtle humour (Fnarf: seriously? You're getting defensive about this?). They like to dish it out, but they don't like to take it. Secretly, most of them agree with you. And many of them will surprise you.
The paragraph with the bread and birdsong and sun-caressed skin was great. The whole post was great, and very Stranger-esque, like a combination of Mudede and Lindy West, but with a French twist. I love it!
It's not offensive as it's obvious that it's tongue-in-cheek. However, it's just a tired and played out idea and while I did find it mildly amusing the overall take wasn't creative enough to make it worth going there.
Julien - don't mind the cranky-pants, keep trying. But try to get a little more original.
Hey Julien at least in America you could become president instead of having 7 generations of family working as janitors in some god awful banlieu. Never met an Arab or African in Paris who didn't want to get the fuck out and come to America.
So welcome. You have a lot of Seattle queers in a tither wet dreaming about sucking you off in Le Marais at 2 am.
Curious about this: "et mon cul, c'est du poulet?"
He's saying essentially "If the bread in that picture is French, then my ass is chicken."
Equivalent to "I'm a monkey's uncle."
dirac @42:
I actually do think France wins in many ways. I'm sure they have their problems, but the tea partier types aren't the ones getting all the attention right now.
Uh, what? Look up Jean-Marie le Pen and his Front National party. They've been garnering really astonishing levels of support for their nativist policy, which includes making the death penalty more common, moving away from the EU, anti-abortion and anti-immigration platforms. Sounds pretty Tea Party-esque to me. Le Pen got 16.9% of the votes in the first round presidential election in 2002 and made it to the second round, where he was defeated by Chirac, and 10% in the first round in 2007 with 83.8% turnout (he was defeated by both Sarkozy and Ségolène Royal and didn't make it to the second round).
What's more, many pundits attribute the rise of the FN party to a growing backlash against immigration from non-European countries. As far as I know, Le Pen hasn't suggested that the immigrants are beheading folks in the Loire valley on a regular basis, but if you don't see any parallels to the Tea Party in FN, I think you're not looking very hard.
Most of Europe is struggling with immigration problems and the attendant backlash (wearing burqas to public school and so on), and the nativist parties are the ones shouting the loudest. They get more attention than I'm comfortable with.
http://www.ab-technologies.com/francefro…
I feel deep pity for any French person stuck here with our generally shitty food.
France has an amazing food culture going back centuries, our supermarkets are basically stocked with dogshit.
I concede that the food there is better, but having to spend my time surrounded by these douche bags would ruin my appetite.
Give France 10-20 years and they will surpass the USA as well. They are adopting an American diet, just with more incredibly unhealthy foie gras, veal, and butterfat.
And yes, he needs to experience a deep-fried Snickers bar as soon a possible.
Love the sausages from the region near Luxembourg/Belgium. But in general the culture in France is nothing special. I sat through Le Petit Nicholas two weeks ago, the smash hit film in France. It was about a grade Z sitcom, worse than a bad 'Friends' episode. And the supermarkets (Hypermarché) there are full of stupid Teeny-girl mags, etc.
I never knew the French had Cheez-wiz.
@11 YES. Savage, Frizzelle... you guys HAVE to take him to report on the Puyallop Fair on a Saturday. I want to see what he has to say about the epic brick pits of endless BBQ.
Speaking of food, check out what's happening to French food:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/world/…
Interesting trend in France.
BTW, I enjoy cuisine of the Magreb and Levant whether halal or kosher. Bon appetit!
These are worn cliches not worthy of a post. If you want a really disgusting experience, go to the midwest. There you can get deep fried cheese curd, a Culvers "Butter Burger", and oh, the portions are four times what are served here.
I'd like to ask the French Intern, if you're real, to not counsel Americans to eat more bread. We don't need it anymore. We don't need anymore butter or Nutella "orgasms" (we have Nutella too, guy) unless it involves putting the topping on my crotch and having some guy or gal lick it off. We're too damned fat. Also, please don't tell us to put fried eggs on our hamburgers. We'll just get more fat.
Seems like the area has plenty of natural food/farmers/markets etc. I only shop at these places because I don't mind dropping an extra dollar for a little health benefit but I don't begrudge the shoppers of at the corporate grocery places because I've been poor before. The system is rigged to encourage us to eat pudding packs, frozen veggies, and microwave Mac N Cheese.
It's funny, too: last night I watched Bourdain revisiting Paris, and guess what? All the hot new ideas in cooking are coming from New York, from America. France is lovely, but it's a museum culture.
Quand j'habitais en France il y avait des differences culturelles qui m'ont etonne. Dans les supermarches francaises le lait n'est pas dans le frigidaire mais sur les rayons. Les oeufs aussi. L'horreur ! Mais je me suis rendu compte tres vite qu'il fallait essayer d'adapter plutot que de me moquer de un autre pays pour aucune raison sauf qu'il est different de mon pays. Pourquoi vivre dans un autre pays sinon pour avoir une autre perspective ?
D'ailleurs il est chiant de se plaindre de tout, tout le temps.
danon yogurt
mint chocolate chip ice cream
the way you dial phone numbers
cat food
security
lettuce
beads
tuberculosis testing/treatment
manners
mangoes
houses
tuna
clothes washers
There you go. France wins.
My high school French reads it as "And my ass, it is of chicken?"
I'm assuming my high school French has failed me again.
Fun fact: my expatriate Quebecois grandmère (turning 98 this month) was kicked out of her French Catholic junior high in northeastern Massachusetts for speaking improper "kitchen French".
I hope you will try to experience the breadth of what we have to offer and provide your unique take on it, stepping outside of what is easy to create something artful, original or at least interesting.
I get that this was supposed to be funny, but its the equivalent of going to Paris and writing a story on body odor. I also don't think racial or relationship stereotype humor is funny. This isn't the 80s and I'm not on coke. A little more creativity please.
On the one hand, I'm thinking "fuck this guy, talking shit about America, the greatest thing ever," (I learned to speak French just so I can read his posts), on the other hand, I adore the pleasant jabbing of American culture from a perspective of French culture, and on the third hand...how very French of French Intern.
And a bit Mudede-esque.
I consider that suspicion confirmed by this supposed Frenchman using the word nauseous when he mean t to say nauseated.
Only a shitty American writer with a JC education would make that mistake.
Nice try l'etranger. Back to the drawing board.
And if I can bring the snark for a minute: If you're here to learn from American journalists to report the facts and not your own opinion, why are you interning for the Stranger?
That being said, yes of course there are many lovely farmer's markets and little bakeries and etc, etc. The post was not a blanket dismissal, he did not claim that there is no good food in your entire city. I laughed out loud at a few of the responses here - there's a reason for the stereotype of Americans taking themselves too seriously!
Mmmm! Poutine!
@17 for the win
@41 It's not Chelsea. Unless you were trying to be funny. In which case - fail.
You ought to read "In Defense of Food" and "Food Rules" by Michael Pollan. He draws a distinction between "food" and "edible foodlike substances." I'm sure France has some edible foodlike substances of its own, but the U.S. has raised it to a fine art.
However, I must say that Velveeta Shells and Cheese is one of my favorite comfort foods. To keep myself from eating it all the time, I restrict myself to buying one box once a month.
You don't have to go far to experience good food. Seattle has great food.
Doesn't mean I don't also love the tiny mom-and-pop operations as well as the lovely homey bakeries and open-air markets, blah, blah.
@18: I was pretty sure the deepfried Mars Bar was a Scottish invention.
He's really an intern if his post is three times longer than the average lazy Stranger staff member.
Need to get Julien to comment about his take on Vegan food.
Toss him over to I, Anonymous to get his feet wet.
And I agree with what he says about American food in general, but, come on! This is Seattle, not Tampa (no offense, Floridians, but your grocery stores are abysmal). We have the best groceries, butchers, cheesemongers, farmers markets, cafes, etc., in the country. We are want for nothing fresh and delicious here. So his berating of our foodstuffs would work better in New York, or some other city that doesn't offer easy access for all people to fresh foods.
As for the Mr. Bieber, he is of course Canadian, not American, and even sings in French. And French folks aren't really in any position to be talking shit about anybody else's pop music. Ever heard of Lorie? Or the inexplicably massive Mylene Farmer, who has sold 25 million records in France?
Though I do have a lifelong massive crush on Francoise Hardy and all the ye-ye girls. And just about my favorite band is French, Watoo Watoo.
But that's not what we're talking about here, is it? We're talking about trashy magazines. No such thing in cultured France, right? Except for Closer, Voici, Public, or for teens, Phosphor.... Plenty of trash culture in France if you know where to look.
The paragraph with the bread and birdsong and sun-caressed skin was great. The whole post was great, and very Stranger-esque, like a combination of Mudede and Lindy West, but with a French twist. I love it!
Julien - don't mind the cranky-pants, keep trying. But try to get a little more original.
So welcome. You have a lot of Seattle queers in a tither wet dreaming about sucking you off in Le Marais at 2 am.
He's saying essentially "If the bread in that picture is French, then my ass is chicken."
Equivalent to "I'm a monkey's uncle."
dirac @42:
Uh, what? Look up Jean-Marie le Pen and his Front National party. They've been garnering really astonishing levels of support for their nativist policy, which includes making the death penalty more common, moving away from the EU, anti-abortion and anti-immigration platforms. Sounds pretty Tea Party-esque to me. Le Pen got 16.9% of the votes in the first round presidential election in 2002 and made it to the second round, where he was defeated by Chirac, and 10% in the first round in 2007 with 83.8% turnout (he was defeated by both Sarkozy and Ségolène Royal and didn't make it to the second round).
What's more, many pundits attribute the rise of the FN party to a growing backlash against immigration from non-European countries. As far as I know, Le Pen hasn't suggested that the immigrants are beheading folks in the Loire valley on a regular basis, but if you don't see any parallels to the Tea Party in FN, I think you're not looking very hard.
Most of Europe is struggling with immigration problems and the attendant backlash (wearing burqas to public school and so on), and the nativist parties are the ones shouting the loudest. They get more attention than I'm comfortable with.