@4 and @7 - Yes! The conflation of 'pumpkin spice" the spice mixture, with "pumpkin and spice" well, pumpkin and pumpkin spice, drives me absolutely bonkers. I like the spices, not so crazy about "pumpkin and spice" everything. Hopefully the madness will soon die out - permanently.
Pumpkin is delicious and I never object to the flavor of pumpkin.
Pumpkin spice flavored foods, on the other hand, often are flavored with traditional pumpkin pie spices minus any pumpkin. As such, they can taste acrid and unpleasant. Calling something "pumpkin" spice can be totally misleading if it's just the spice without even a hint of pumpkin. No wonder pumpkin has gotten such a bad rap.
The problem is the "pumpkin spice" anything just tastes like shit and has nothing to do with the actual plant.
Rachel seems to be conflating "cinnamon, nutmeg, ginger, cloves, and sometimes allspice" (per Google) with the gourd itself.
Pumpkin spice flavored foods, on the other hand, often are flavored with traditional pumpkin pie spices minus any pumpkin. As such, they can taste acrid and unpleasant. Calling something "pumpkin" spice can be totally misleading if it's just the spice without even a hint of pumpkin. No wonder pumpkin has gotten such a bad rap.