Radicalizing terrorists is not a "message". Recruiting terrorists is not expressing "views". Indoctrinating disturbed young men to walk into churches and shoot every person they see is not a "real discussion". It is not an "argument". It does not need to be "critiqued".

This is not a conversation:
Yiannopoulos: They are not human. They don't deserve to live. They are coming to destroy your way of life. You are the victim of white genocide.
Dylan Roof: *kills*
Yiannopoulos: Furthermore....
Anti-fascists: Actually, I disagree. Consider the following points...
Dylan Roof: *kills again*

That is not an interchange of ideas between factions of the body politic. The UW is not required by law to welcome criminal conspirators, terrorist recruiters, or propagandists for terrorists. No such law.

Chapter 478-124 WAC: General Conduct Code for the University of Washington

WAC 478-124-020: Conduct on campus code — Prohibited conduct.

(2) In order to assure those rights to all members of the university community and to maintain a peaceful atmosphere in which the university may continue to make its special contribution to society, the following types of conduct are hereby prohibited on or in property either owned, controlled or operated by the university which is used or set aside for university purposes, hereinafter referred to as the university campus:

(e) Possession or use of firearms, explosives, dangerous chemicals or other dangerous weapons or instrumentalities on the university campus, except for authorized university purposes, unless prior written approval has been obtained from the university chief of police, or any other person designated by the president of the university;

I think her response is reasonable, but she might consider that Mr. Yiannopoulos is touring colleges to intentionally incite conflict.

@5
I'll start to take you more seriously (from zero now) once you drop your anonymity.

Once you start attacking individuals -- as does Milo -- you are acting like him except worse because you hide behind anonymity.

I think I remember reading on the SLOG a useful example of how to appropriately evaluate hate speech vs. censorship of ideas.
A book store had placed Mein Kampf prominently on the displays greeting customers when they came through the door. When asked, the staff explained that it was to demonstrate that the book store would not censor books or shy away from controversial subjects. However, the customer(?) pointed out that given the toxic history of Mein Kampf, having it placed so prominently would not be seen as a statement about censorship, but an endorsement or promotion of antisemitism. The staff thought it over, agreed, and moved the book to less visible part of the store.
Milo Yiannopoulos does not express controversial views, he expresses hate speech and denigrates minorities. Allowing him to speak on campus at an official school event should not be thought of as having a conservative columnist like George Will speak, it should be thought of as comparable to having David Duke of the KKK speak on campus.

@6 maybe a private citizens would fear the reprisal of a guy who expresses solidarity with racist spree killers of children? just maybe?

And again, I'm attacking an individual who EXPRESSES SOLIDARITY WITH RACIST SPREE KILLERS OF CHILDREN

What I find most curious is that there is no mention that the shooter is an Asian guy who said he was being attacked by the white "victim" and that he was only acting in self defense.

It's interesting that he turned himself in, with a witness, and has already been released by police - this points to the fact that he was simply using a gun to protecting himself against a hate crime.

@10 I haven't seen any reports confirming the identity or ethnicity of the shooter. Where'd you get that info? I HAVE however spoken with friends who know the victim and have vouched that he is a long-time member of an anti-racist organization who was there ACTIVELY DE-ESCALATING the conflict between protesters and counter-protesters. He was unarmed.

It should also be noted that regardless of the shooter's motive, firearms that are not cleared in advance by UWPD are not allowed on campus. This means that either a) He was released with no charges DESPITE bringing a loaded gun into a gun-free zone to a rally that was widely expected to be a volatile situation or b) He was carrying a loaded gun with express permission from UWPD and was released with no charges because he did exactly what UWPD expected him to do. Either of these should bring serious scrutiny on UWPD and the shooter, regardless of the motive you and the alt-right have asserted based on zero evidence.

@6 go fuck yourself troll.

Love trumps hate! Unless you disagree with me, then hate away!

I'm a bit confused as to why, post-shooting, the lecture was allowed to continue while the shooter was still on the loose. Shouldn't UW have gone on lockdown? What if the shooter had managed to enter Kane Hall?

@1
Please provide references proving that Milo said that. I am not a fan of his, but he does not talk like that...in fact, he is known to have a thing for black men.

@6 Well said.
The regressive-left is becoming just as bad as the alt-right. We now have regressive leftists spreading rumors on the internet aimed at individuals who are not in public service. Sound familiar? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/piz…
There are two kinds of fascism in America today: Trump and anti-Trump.

@10
Sources please.

@7
Hate speech IS free speech. And who the hell decides what "hate speech" is? Should Richard Dawkins be blocked for spreading "hate speech" against religious people? Should a radical feminist be banned because she is spreading "hate speech" against men? And why ignore the "hate speech" of the Black Hebrew Israelites who are just as vile as David Duke in their rhetoric?
Once upon a time liberals stood up for free-speech on principal. Too bad real liberals these days are an endangered species. Remember when the ACLU defended neo-nazis and their right to march in a largely Jewish town? Did the ACLU agree with them? HELL NO. But they still have their rights. Let all speech be free and the good ideas will win out. I don't fear allowing people like Milo, neo-nazis, or some of the communists we have around here have their say. I understand that they are wrong and most Americans agree. But you can't call yourself a liberal and support "hate speech" bans. if you do, you are a member of the regressive-left.

@20

I really think that collectivism_sucks is just an account based on the musings of Uncle Ruckus.

@12 I've seen the the "actively de-escalating" used on several occasions now, but without an accompanying definition. Can you explain what it means in practical terms?

@20
They absolutely have the right to bitch and moan about Milo. I did not say they didn't. However, the University did the right thing by letting him speak. These protesters should have challenged Milo to a debate and beat his scrawny alt-right, orange-ass kissing butt. Instead, they went outside and just shouted. And before you say it: that protester did not deserve to be shot and I am happy to hear he is recovering.
@21 People who use ad hominem usually do so because they have no actual point to make.

Asshole, where are your references that the Women's March demanded the right to a world without bikini girls in video games? What nonesense.

You do your homework and stop wasting everyone's time.

I think it is illegal to have a concealed gun on a college campus in WA. Why no charge for that?

As to that horrible man, the speaker. It's a bit of a grey area for me. Free speech. Invited by the, in so doing proven as horrible people, college Republicans. Maybe not the government -in the form of uw- to say no. On the other hand free speech doesn't mean the rest of us have to help him make the world worse.

If I ever approve of a speaker nearly that awful I preemptively thank anyone who stops me from helping them get their garbage into more ears.

On the final hand. WTF college Republicans.

I expect you to be awful.

You are exceeding expectations.

So, a suspect, carrying a loaded weapon in a guns-banned area, who actually shot another human being... isn't cooling is heels in jail right now? Why was he allowed to go free, w/o bail? The fuck sort of legal system do we have??
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@16-19
So it's not legal to yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater, because it can instigate grievous harm. Right? So while you can argue that it might be one's "free speech" to yell FIRE! whenever & wherever one wants, it's actually dangerous to other humans, and curtailed out of social responsibility.

Is overtly, publicly lying about other social groups, --spreading untruths--, painting them to be "evil", and knowing that nutcases with guns will likely attempt shoot or blow up these identified "groups"... stopping just short of actually stating that these "groups" should be attacked....

Well, let me ask you: At what point does speech that can result in grievous harm become too risky to allow? When does it become socially irresponsible?

I agree that allowing people to talk --better: debate-- is important. I don't support banning Milo the Racist from campus. I think Ana Mari Cauce's statement is good and wise.
But again, when does it become socially irresponsible to spread actual lies about fellow citizens?
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Just a semantic comment --that you incidentally raised-- but I think is useful to recognize for all commenters (and journalists):

"There are two kinds of fascism in America today: Trump and anti-Trump."
I would argue that "fascism" is not the correct term to use. (see link) "It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless."

A more accurate term would be "authoritarianism", which does definitely exist on both the left and the right, and accurately describes Trump & his cabal of corporate cronies.

alt-right, n.,
. A racist, far-right fringe movement that is anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic and anti-feminist.

@7: I'm pretty sure lib UW students would become apoplectic as well over George Will if he were to speak on campus.

Folks need to chill out over other people's hyperbole.

@26 Fascism means authoritarian rule based on a single party that promotes xenophobia and nationalism. It's quite meaningful.

Seattle, where a flamboyantly gay Zionist Jew can be considered to be the leader of a revived Nazi movement.

Q-13's report from Friday night "Man shot, critically injured, when violence erupts during protest at UW campus" said that the shooting suspect was "that of an Asian male, about 50, 5-foot-7, 190 pounds, glasses, with no facial hair, yellow cap and black jacket."

And later that weekend, the police's response for the shooters release was:

“Our detectives consulted with a deputy prosecutor and a collective decision guided by the prosecutor’s office was made to release the two individuals,” Major Steve Rittereiser said. “I want to be clear that although they were released they were the only individuals/ suspects involved. They were cooperative with investigators and releasing them poses no threat to the community.”

So, from the sound of the "victim" and the "suspect" is that the victim was a white guy in his early 30's and the shooter was an Asian guy in his 50's. That doesn't sound like a typical shooting to me.

WAC 478-124-020(2)(e) prohibits "possession or use of firearms, explosives, dangerous chemicals or other dangerous weapons or instrumentalities on the university campus, except for authorized university purposes, unless prior written approval has been obtained from the university chief of police, or any other person designated by the president of the university" on University of Washington campus.

The shooter reportedly admitted to that violation of law, regardless of whether or not he has a good affirmative defense to any crimes associated with--as he also reportedly confessed--the fact that he not only brought a loaded gun to this on-campus protest outside of the white supremacist event, but also fired it at someone in the crowd there. Yet he was not even booked.

Yiannopoulos was banned from Twitter for organizing a lynching targeted against a black woman because she was black, and because she stepped outside of what the fascists had imagined was a black ghetto. It was not a "virtual" lynching, it merely used computers as a communication device. They physical harm of previous lynchings organized via Twitter and other online media is real. People have been murdered by members of these lynch mobs. To say nothing of those terrorized, and suffering loss of property and other economic harm.

It's absurd for the UW President to claim "violence has no place" there when she welcomes someone whose trade is in violence. Violence follows him because he is not engaged in a dialog, he is engaged in a running battle. You cannot invite that battle onto your campus. You cannot give a platform to the leader of terrorists, to a organizer of lynch mobs. It's not speech. It's organized crime.

@31- Milo chooses to affiliate himself with the neo-Nazis. It pays pretty well to be a beard.

Yiannopoulos likes to say it's "just a fact" that Jews control the banks, and the media. He's "just saying" a "fact". He also likes to "just mention" the "fact" that white Christians' lives are being destroyed by... banks and the media. "Just saying a fact." He considers this being honest, removing the blinders of political correctness.

He his message is that the white male American Christian's lives are being destroyed by the Jews (the banks and the media). He follows this with a defense of Richard Spencer's advocacy of ethnic cleansing, and the myth of white genocide. Yiannopoulos encourages casual jokes about recent genocides, in Bosnia for example. All of this adds up to recruitment of brownshirts to carry out pogroms, mass murders. There is no dialog there.

Besides organizing online harassment, he encourages physical harassment of women. This is not dialog.

The UW has to face these facts squarely. And stop propagating these fantasies about the necessity of tolerating criminals and terrorists in order to have free speech and higher education. They have free speech and higher education in Europe, yet they routinely ban the likes of Yiannopoulos. It's a normal and healthy practice to suppress violent criminals and terrorists from using public platforms to organize attacks and recruit and radicalize terrorists.

@31:

Wouldn't be the first time someone of Jewish lineage acted as a Nazi apologist...

#5: The man who was shot was unarmed, is an antiracist activist, and at the time he was shot was trying to de-escalate the situation. You're really arguing that THAT guy should have been left to die if he couldn't pay for blood transfusions and surgery out of pocket?

#31 If you say one billion people "aren't human" and deserve no rights, you ARE a Nazi. In the camps, Milo would probably have been a kapo.

Stevens County man’s acquittal of hate crime after threatening Kettle Falls family surprises prosecutors... http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/ja…

White football player accused of raping black, disabled team-mate avoids prison... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016…

White Supremacist Set Tone for Trump's Inaugural Speech... http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Wh…

Milo is not Jewish.
Never was.
Never will be.

For @2, @33, and others asking why the shooter was not arrested for violating WAC 478-124-020(2)(e), the ban against guns on campus:

This section of the WAC does prohibit certain conduct on the UW campus, including carrying guns, but it does not provide for any criminal sanctions to punish the prohibited conduct. Instead, the violator may be ordered to leave the campus. In addition, if the violator is a student or employee, he or she may be expelled or fired. These non-criminal, administrative sanctions are the only punishments the government may levy for this particular violation. That is the reason why the shooter was not arrested for violating the campus gun ban.

This shooter might be guilty of other violations, including violations that actually are crimes. But remember that carrying a pistol is not a crime when done with a license, and shooting a person is not a crime when done to prevent imminent bodily harm. As shocking as the event was, it is entirely possible that this shooter has committed no crime at all.

Hey, I wasn't able to be at the protest that night, but saw this video of it today. Is the man at the 1:00 mark the shooter minus the yellow hat? Because, if so, I highly doubt he thought he was shooting at a white supremacist in self defense when he shot the antifa member. I'm generally not one to speculate with this sort of thing, but the leather jacket and brown hood from the hoodie underneath seem pretty similar.
https://youtu.be/nSm_J8UGwJA?t=1m

@43, now you've gone too far with the snide acid jazz comment. Conflating the majesty of Pharaoh Sanders with the tepid drip of Chick Corea? Somebody oughta beat your bottom with a tie rod.

@43

Most democracies don't allow fucking Nazis to march. Nobody has pointed out how their policy of suppressing fascist or terrorist parties, placing limits on violent, genocidal, or hate speech, and kicking these assholes out of their countries if they try to visit, has caused any harm.

Don't let anybody tell you we *have* to let Nazis march or the sky will fall. Ask them to prove it.

@45, Luckily the guy is going to live so he'll be able to say if that is the guy or not. I was at the protest, and although I didn't witness the shooting, that video is a pretty accurate representation of the kind of stuff that was going on all night. The anti-fascists came to try to shut it down, but the alt-right types who showed up were ready to fight as well. There were a lot of people trying to hold the line while people tried to push through thinking they could get in to Kane Hall that way, and with a lot of people occupied doing that they were outnumbered by the pro-Trump folk, until the Westlake protest showed up.

Milo is testing the waters to see how far he can go with the murderous campaign of the alt- right of terrorizing and murdering the oppressed. And the UW authority is giving him free reign. #1 your comments are absolutely on target. Where is the common decency of the UW authorities here?!!
As a poor, working class, womxn that has been abused, this hate talk is a direct threat to me and others. And be sure I will do all I can to stop this with allies (and I was alive during WW11). With these fascists organizing here and abroad we have no other choice but to fight back. THE FASCISTS ARE IN THE RIGHT WING NOT THE LEFT!!!!!

@30 - Sure, and FDR defined it thus: "The growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism—ownership of Government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power." (linkity) ...Implying very clearly that there is also an economic element to it.

The point of the Orwell piece is that the word is an emotionally-laden term, bandied about so much that it is effectively meaningless. You should read it.

@50 - GOD you're cute!

The shooter is/was a Nazi

@42:

Yiannopoulos' maternal grandmother is Jewish. Judaism determines bloodline based on matrilineal descent, and by halacha this also makes his mother Jewish, therefore, he is Jewish, regardless of whether or not he actively practices or has ever even set foot in a synagogue, or has converted to another religion.

Furthermore, he has a tendency, found in most hypocrites, of conveniently denying to be something he otherwise spends a great deal of time asserting he in fact is, namely, generally eschewing his Judaic bloodline, except when he's accused of being a blatant anti-semite, at which point he invariably invokes it as a rationalization for why he can't de facto be anti-Semitic. In short: he's not Jewish until he needs to be Jewish in order to deflect criticism from his own anti-Jewish statements.

This is about public safety. Less about whose politics is righteous.

Regardless of the politics of either men, why was the alleged shooter let go? Why turn himself to UWPD and not SPD? If there's a UW policy against guns on campus and given a gun was used to shoot a person, wouldn't that be sufficient cause to arrest? People get detained and arrested for far minor things like shoplifting.

Finally, who's investigating and who is taking charge of the investigation now? UW needs to examine its gun policy. Is there's any teeth in this?

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@7 has the perfect example

The real actual criminality that Milo did is soak a bunch of GOP donors to create a "Privilege Grant" for white male straight college students. It was supposed to have been awarded last fall but according to several sources he lifted the money out of the fund for personal use and never put the money back.

The website for the grant says it will now be awarded this spring.... That's what The Stranger should focus on with Milo: not the "he makes people feel bad!!". Go after him with real life investigative journalism.

@43
chick corea is not acid jazz and had some formidable releases before the dreck.i blame scientology

@46..see @61

@44: thanks, good info. infuriating, but good.

it's going to boil down to this: if you escalate a shoving match/fist fight (pepper spraying your opponent), and they move to stop you (self-defense), are you then justified in using escalating to deadly force?

arrest the fucker and lets find out.

A gay man and and an Asian man want white supremacy, and advocate for ethnic cleansing? Do they not know what Hitler and the KKK did to LGBTQ and minorities?

That's some A-grade self-hating they've got going there.

Smartest thing for everybody is to totally ignore him. He's in it for the money and the fame and the ego gratification.

Ignore him, he'll go away.

@51 I read that Orwell morsel you linked and I disagreed insofar there are many terms used completely inappropriately by some, often on purpose to stigmatize an opponent; yet, these words still have important meanings. Stopping to use 'fascist' would be an unwarranted gift toward those it describes.

For everyone asking about UW's gun policy, state administrative rules, such as establishing that policy, do not have the force of criminal law. The Washington legislature cannot delegate the power to criminalize actions to a state agency. State v. Ramo, 149 Wn. App. 266, 271 (2009). K-12 schools are among the places a licensed concealed weapons carrier in the State of Washington may not carry but university campuses are not. A university campus could however demand that someone who is armed leave, could have them arrested for trespassing if they do not, or could, conceivably, expel a student or fire a faculty or staff member for violation of the no-weapons policy. It just doesn't constitute a crime in and of itself under Washington law.

@68: yeah, that's what @44 said.

either its a policy with teeth or it isn't. I look forward to his expulsion.

That picture makes Yiannopoulos look like a drag version of Suze Orman.

there is so much hate and ugliness on this website. not even macho man randy savage can fix any of this. cluster fucking us all to hell. i pray you all find god and peace, allah would serve you well.

"I'm no fan of __________, but ."

It's the new, maddeningly transparent script you'll see eveywhere.

The shooter shot someone who could have died. Looks like the UW is ok with this................
NO. Ignoring white supremacists is not ok. They are speaking and organizing to build their movement and recruit. To allow them to continue to recruit means endangering more people. Maybe you’ve heard about the third reich’s practice of kicking in doors and sending people on trains and those people never come back? This is real and Milo is no joke and he is a great bullshitter if you believe he is harmless. Its harder to make a stand but now is the time to do it.

Sounds like a radical socialist commie went for someone's second amendment. Thats what happens when you screw with America. If it weren't the case then someone would be in jail right now.