Will You Stop Being Mean to Log Cabin Republicans? (Spoiler: No, I Will Not.)

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If they were so horrified by the GOP values of hate, maybe they should consider not voting for people who hate them?

Just a thought.

undead ayn rand on July 19, 2016 at 1:38 PM

Et 'to' Brutus?

Call me Scott on July 19, 2016 at 1:43 PM

I have a relative who clings to the LCR in spite of everything. I worry about internalized homophobia. In my 63 years the GOP has always had it in for someone. First, it was the Cubans, they were all over the world, behind every problem in the early sixties. Then, when they wore that out, they turned to the Black community, which quickly found a way to beat their hatred with action. Then they found the Gay Movement and the Women's Movement and they have never let go. It's a matter of raising cash.

plutojoy on July 19, 2016 at 1:44 PM

Hetero-splaining here, but let's not forget all the non-homophobic ways the republican platform tends to shit on the LGBTQ community. They're against public assistance from food stamps to college to welfare to low income housing to homelessness (LGBTQ are disproportionately likely to need these on account of familial pariahship), funding for public schools in most formats (a crappy student/teacher ratio means kids generally fuck around and bully more, and bullying loves the homophobic route), etc.

ogbog on July 19, 2016 at 1:47 PM

Drops mike.

johnjacobjingleheimerschmidt on July 19, 2016 at 1:51 PM

@4: Do you think they care about "the poors"?

undead ayn rand on July 19, 2016 at 1:52 PM

Seriously, I can't for the life of me see a single "hard earned stride" taken by LCR or LGBTQ Republicans in general to move the Party's virulently anti-Gay platform so much as a single millimeter in the direction of being more tolerant towards people like themselves. If anything, given their current platform, it would appear they are continuing to move in precisely the opposite direction, doubling-down on their bigotry and homophobia, especially in light of the rest of the nation increasingly, and now overwhelmingly, coming out (pun intended) in support of LGBTQ rights.

COMTE on July 19, 2016 at 1:52 PM

dan, honey, you overlooked WHY. gay republicans are overwhelmingly white, male, and rich. most are business owners and aren't interested in marriage, family, or civil rights, because it is does not apply to them. what they ARE interested in are huge tax breaks, and that's why they vote republican. follow the money, honey, follow the money.

scary tyler moore on July 19, 2016 at 1:58 PM

Dear Paul,

I'm over 50 years old now. The GOP has opposed every single piece of LGBT rights legislation of any kind in every state and city, and in the federal government for my entire life.

I think I know who's being divisive, and it isn't Dan.

Regards,

A sane homo.

Reverse Polarity on July 19, 2016 at 1:59 PM

These dudes are so delusional it's actually painful to watch.

They'll be marched off to gas chambers yelling for everybody to stop screaming because, you know, once they get in the chamber their gonna change it from the inside!

Dr.Zaius on July 19, 2016 at 1:59 PM

time for a new poll, the LGTBQ version of House N*****r

wisepunk on July 19, 2016 at 2:00 PM

@1 Pretty much what I was thinking, and RINO's have been doing it for some time. Why not take the official position of something like, "While the LCR values fiscal conservatism, strong business, limited government, blah, blah, blah, and whatever, we will be voting straight blue ticket until we have an Republican official running for an office that has taken a strong stand for the LGTBQ community." Doesn't seem so hard to me...

kylecheez on July 19, 2016 at 2:23 PM

But at least the LCRs are free to outsource their staff to oppressive 3rd world countries and deduct the costs of that from their taxes.

HW3 on July 19, 2016 at 2:34 PM

The proof is in the pudding... The GOP has consistently opposed every LGBT advance the wider society has made.

Hitchens' Razor applies here: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".
Letter writer Paul R. produces no evidence for his assertions.
Dan, on the other hand, has sufficient and verifiable evidence to support his assertions.

treacle on July 19, 2016 at 2:37 PM

Honestly I don't want LCRs to convince the GOP to accept us. Republicans are terrible people and we should have nothing to do with their bigotry.

tmplknght on July 19, 2016 at 2:45 PM

Weird how all the other Republicans didn't feel like carving out a little island of equality for the gays as the price for LCRs pitching in to block progress for everybody else who would also like equality. They probably noticed that the LCR's greed, racism, sexism and general love of the rich white male power structure was too strong for equality for gays to be a deal breaker.

Also weird: such unkind words from all those other minorities the LCR don't want equality for. Never saw that coming.

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn on July 19, 2016 at 3:07 PM

Thank you Dan, what you wrote was more reasonable and kind than anything I could add. Neither the GOP nor their enablers deserve kindness, but kindness is the best response.

Kelly L on July 19, 2016 at 3:14 PM

At some point, if you are a Republican, you have to walk out. You have to resign your party. I'm sure there are plenty of LGBTQ Republicans that agree with other Republicans on many issues. But the Republican Party is no longer conservative, they are reactionary. Twenty years ago -- hell, even ten years ago -- opposing gay marriage was wrong, but it was conservative. Now it is reactionary. It is flying in the face of conventional wisdom (and the law) in this country, and has no support outside fringe voters. Yet it -- and other similar anti LGBTQ laws -- are a big part of the Republican platform, and the folks in charge of the party right now.

I never thought I would live to see the day that the Republican Party is more radical than the Libertarian Party. But I think that day has arrived. Log Cabin Republicans should just join the Libertarian Party. My guess is they would have better luck moving the platform closer to their ideal (since it already is, in many ways).

Ross on July 19, 2016 at 3:18 PM

Paul R? Is he having a lend. The people you have to deal with Dan, so full of delusion.

LavaGirl on July 19, 2016 at 3:26 PM

"A lone wolf crying out for justice"??? Rabid, delusional attention whore sounds a bit more like it. Keep on trying though guys, I'm sure they'll all change any minute now.

Roger That Seattle on July 19, 2016 at 3:32 PM

The Republican Party has become an anti-LGBT hate group. Quislings who endorse their agenda should be treated like quislings. Remember what happened to Nazi collaborators in France?

TechBear on July 19, 2016 at 3:51 PM

I don't hate many people, but I do hate people who would actively help those who seek to persecute them. It's like a black person funding the KKK.

JJinAus on July 19, 2016 at 4:04 PM

"Republicans Throw Their Gay Adorers Under the Bus...Again" http://bobofkansascity.newsvine.com/_new…

BobofKC on July 19, 2016 at 4:47 PM

@8: They could also not conceivably give less of a shit about womens' rights.

undead ayn rand on July 19, 2016 at 5:50 PM

Who cares that Log Cabin (however ineffectually) opposed anti-LGBT platform planks? Are they endorsing Mike Pence for vice-president? The last time the GOP put up a running mate that homophobic, Ike was at the top of the ticket.

If they won't renounce him, LCR should pack it in, just like GOProud did.

Fred Casely on July 19, 2016 at 6:15 PM

A brilliant and thoughtful response and take down

klydeodewengi on July 19, 2016 at 6:21 PM

Why is this so difficult? I don't get it. Why is it so hard to comprehend that people just want to live their lives in ways that work for them. Why should I care if a same sex couple gets married it's none of my business. It isn't about me. It's about them. So why should I stand in their way? Why should take time out of my day to make some one else's life less happy? It's such a waste. And why would people want to hangout with other people who don't want them. LCR is just sad. The Republican party is sadder than sad.

Pagankmck on July 19, 2016 at 6:37 PM

There may be good reasons to support the GOP, but thinking they will change from the inside isn't one of them.

geoz on July 19, 2016 at 7:59 PM

@29: It's like someone trying to join Jews for Jesus to "reform it".

undead ayn rand on July 19, 2016 at 8:29 PM

Sheelzebub Principle: Paul, will you stay if the Republican party is still this anti-gay in one year? In four years? How long do you want to take this for?

Mtn. Beaver on July 19, 2016 at 8:48 PM

@5. Agreed.

Bravo Dan. My gawd. BRAVO.

DarkHorseRising on July 20, 2016 at 6:53 AM

I greatly appreciate the mention of the fundraising on the fight that never materialized.

The really depressing thing is that, the further right the Republicans move, the further right the Democrats can move. They'll posture left but move right when we're not looking.

vennominon on July 20, 2016 at 8:29 AM

Ironically*, this is the exact reasoning leading so many Leftists decide they're done with the Democrats: sure, they agree on a lot of things, but the class war the Dems have been waging on the side of the capitalists for forty years is a big problem, and reform efforts have all been for naught.

*It's ironic not due to some inherent fact, but becasue Dan takes the exact opposite position on gay Republicans and poor/working class Democrats.

John Horstman on July 20, 2016 at 9:31 AM

*to decide

John Horstman on July 20, 2016 at 9:32 AM

On the other hand, Dan is being intellectually consistent, so credit for that: identity politics trumps class politics in both cases.

John Horstman on July 20, 2016 at 9:34 AM

scary tyler moore has it right in #8...LCRs are voting their wallets. And they won't quit their one-issue support until the Republicans start forcing LCRs to close their businesses.

usedtobeotter2 on July 20, 2016 at 10:42 AM

@21 - No, you may not "bitch slap" me, you sexist piddle. Everyone is entitled to mangle a proverb now and then. And yes, you really do want to come to my parties, they are excellent, libidinous, and very very naughty. And we do have alcoholic pudding now and again.

:>P

treacle on July 20, 2016 at 11:57 AM

@21 - Ahem:

"The shorter form the proof is in the pudding, which dates back to the 1920s and came into common use in the United States in the 1950s, is becoming increasingly common.[6][7]"

[link]

treacle on July 20, 2016 at 12:09 PM

@39: Yes, and "literally" is now widely used to mean "figuratively". Still wrong and imbecilic.

venomlash on July 20, 2016 at 12:20 PM

OK grammar nazi. This is how language evolves and why we don't speak like beowolf

DarkHorseRising on July 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM

@34: "the class war the Dems have been waging on the side of the capitalists for forty years is a big problem, and reform efforts have all been for naught."

Except that the Dems do embrace labor and there's no equivalent to Warren for the gays in the GOP.

The two are not anywhere near equivalent.

undead ayn rand on July 20, 2016 at 11:06 PM

@34 - Well, the Democratic platform shifted to the left, so I think you're a bit off there. The Democratic ticket has moved to embrace LGBT rights, has become more supportive of environmental protectionism and has become more (after becoming less, granted) labor friendly. The party moved in the direction of that it's more liberal members were pushing for. That's nothing at all like what has happened with the GOP in response to the LCRs. Mostly I think this is because they are such a small insignificant portion of the party that the GOP could give 2 shits about them, except to roll them out as Dan mentions.

smajor82 on July 21, 2016 at 6:40 AM

It's not complicated -- LCRs are simply gays who also happen to be authoritarian followers. Now if Dan could manage to be more authoritarian, the problem would be solved.

Calming Influence on July 22, 2016 at 3:59 PM

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