Music Dec 3, 2014 at 4:00 am

Forever in Infamy

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RIP ERIC GARNER.
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RIP TRAYVON MARTIN

RIP KIMANI GRAY

RIP KENDREC MCDADE

RIP OSCAR GRANT

RIP TIMOTHY RUSSELL

RIP ERVIN JEFFERSON

RIP AMADOU DIALLO

RIP AKAI GURLEY

RIP SEAN BELL

RIP PATRICK DORISMOND

RIP OUSMANE ZONGO

RIP TIMOTHY STANSBURY JR.

RIP KAJIEME POWELL

RIP DARRIEN HUNT

RIP JOHN CRAWFORD

RIP TAMIR RICE

RIP EMMITT TILL

RIP BOBBY HUTTON

RIP FRED HAMPTON

RIP MARK CLARK

RIP TRACY MAYBERRY

RIP JOHN T WILLIAMS
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Black lives do indeed matter. And you make a good point that white voices MUST be a part of the outrage. Especially artists who's $ comes from art that was initially crafted by black lives.
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Apparently the 4000+ pages of forensic evidence showing that Mike Brown was the aggressor don't matter when people's feelings are on the line.
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@4: Sure, he'll live a lot happier life - assuming he isn't gunned down prematurely by a trigger-happy cop threatened by his being black and all.
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@5:

Look at that list @2 above and tell me how many of those on it were "aggressors" when they were unceremoniously gunned down by the police? And I presume that's just the tip of the proverbial iceberg.
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If Wilson's description of the cigarillos hand-off is "intelligence-insulting ludicrousness", what are we supposed to make of Dorian Johnson's description of the same hand-off?
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All I have to add, is that as much as there should be anger to recent Grand Jury proceedings. African American killing other African Americans is in many ways a bigger problem than Law Enforcement flippant use of deadly force and getting legally cleared against African American males.
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I should correct my previous statement, the big problem of young African American males killing other African American males. As much as Law Enforcement has to be reformed so African American males don't get shot six tmes in the middle of the street, or choked to death for selling loose cigarettes, It is sickening seeing some of the murder rates in cities like Chicago. (which isn't to blame young African American males for it, but Young African American males are 7-9 times more likely to commit a murder than other ethnic groups..

It doesn't mean that Law Enforcement isn't guilty, cops need to be held accountable, and at least have a trial, than to get off scot free.
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@12:

And precisely the same could be said for White American killing other White Americans. It's already well-documented, in study after study, that most murders are committed by perps who are already known to their victim: a spouse or family member, co-worker, etc., etc. So the notion of X-on-X versus Y-on-Y is rather specious if one is attempting to infer some sort of inordinate proclivity toward same-race violence for one, without noting the same trend occurs more-or-less with ALL races.
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Larry Mizell writes:

Wilson's testimony—did you read this crap?—is sickening, in both its intelligence-insulting ludicrousness (who has time to hand off a bunch of Swisher boxes in the middle of a fistfight?)...

What is interesting is that Mr. Mizell seemingly thinks that Dorian Johnson (Michael Brown's friend) is full of shit. Here's Johnson on Al Sharpton's MSNBC show:

Now at this moment, [Big Mike] hands me the cigarillos [stolen from a convenience store]. Like he tells me, hold these. . . . And I’m still standing in the door right when they’re doing all this tugging and pulling, not wrestling as they say.

I don't know why Mizell thinks that Johnson must be lying, but that is certainly an interesting perspective.
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@8 if you could direct me to the evidence indicating that Emmett Till was gunned down by police, I would be grateful. Most historians seem to accept that he was killed by Roy Bryant and J.W. Milam. But if you feel they were framed - if you feel the police were actually responsible - then by all means let's get your information out in the open so historians can consider it.
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@8 I would also appreciate any evidence you have indicating that George Zimmerman has worked as a police officer. Most media reports indicate otherwise, but I'm always eager for examples of the media getting things wrong.
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Where the Garner killing is concerned, this 1985 Portland (OR) case seems very much in point:
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-41…
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@16,17:

Nice job of hair-splitting there. So, is it your contention one outlier (Zimmerman wanted to be a cop, applied to be a cop, considered himself a cop in everything but name, so he stays) invalidates all the others on that list? No, I don't think it does.
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@2



GIMME A FUCKING BREAK!!!!



You act like these innocent souls are the victims of racist white cops who don't face prosecution.



I don't have all night to look these up, but for fucks sake just look at the first few.



The key to not getting shot by the police is to not be a fucking dickhead.



Pants Up! Don't Loot!



RIP KENDREC MCDADE

Victm of a robbery lies that the suspect (Kendrec). When confronted, McDade fled the police. The officer (Carillo) is Hispanic, not white.



RIP OSCAR GRANT

Grant is fighting on a train and resists arrest. Officer announces he is going to Tase the suspect, but unholsters pistol - he says accidentally. Officer sentenced to two years in prison. Officer has no prior civil rights complaints.



RIP TIMOTHY RUSSELL

Officers witness a car traveling and high rate of speed, and hear gunfire. Police pursuit results in 22 mile chase. Russell rams a patrol car. Police open fire on car. No gun found, but subsequent ennquiries reveal car had frequent backfires. Officers indicted for manslaughter.



RIP ERVIN JEFFERSON

Security guards (not police) respond to a fight in an apartment parking lot. While speaking to 4 angry women, someone from the apartments open fire on the guards below. Jefferson approaches in the dark to fight the women over a fight with his sister. Guards, fearing he is the shooter, open fire.



RIP AMADOU DIALLO

Matching a description of a suspected as rapist (29 victims) Diallo is ID’s late at night in a doorway. When the police ID themselves clearly and ask “Show your hands) Diallo backs into a darker porch and draws his black…. wallet. Mixed race jury acquits officer. $3,000,000 settlement.



RIP AKAI GURLEY

Case pending — incident 2 weeks ago.



RIP SEAN BELL

Bell at his bachelor at a Queens a strip club that was being investigated by undercover police for prostitution. In an argument one of Bell's friends reportedly said, "Yo, get my gun," An African American plain-clothes officer named Gescard Isnora followed Bell and dentified himself as a police officer. Bell accelerated the car, striking Isnora, and then collided with an unmarked police minivan. Bell shot dead.



RIP PATRICK DORISMOND

Dorismond, a bouncer, punches an undercover officers in a drug sting. Police identify themselves in scuffle. Kevin Kaiser, a friend of Dorismond, yells “Get his gun!.” Officer draws his weapon and again identifies himself as a police officer. Dorismond grabs gun, causing it fire into chest, severing aorta. Mixed race grand jury doesn’t indict Hispanic cop.



RIP TAMIR RICE

Playing with a “gun” in a park, pointing it at people in an intimidating fashion. Police are called, (not told it may be a toy). Police arrive and a hooded suspect, when told to show his hands, reaches for waist.



RIP OUSMANE ZONGO



RIP TIMOTHY STANSBURY JR.



RIP KAJIEME POWELL



RIP DARRIEN HUNT



RIP JOHN CRAWFORD



RIP TAMIR RICE



RIP EMMITT TILL



RIP BOBBY HUTTON



RIP FRED HAMPTON



RIP MARK CLARK



RIP TRACY MAYBERRY



RIP JOHN T WILLIAMS
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Police-state don't give poop stained piss about the complicit or the innocent. Keep sleep and wait your turn.
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Well Mr. Author, your logic cuts both ways, so check it out. Your silence on the epidemic in this country of young black men murdering other young black men makes you COMPLICIT in that tragedy. You might as well have pulled the trigger yourself.
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List of names of black-on-black murder victims in the past year:

RIP (ERROR list size too large)
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What do they call white-on-white crime?

Oh, that's right: CRIME.
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Those who, care will, those who don't, will actively misdirect because they are inexperienced, hold to their privilege, and have one line that they will stick to and ask every black person they see,"what about Black on Black crime?" Glad you asked, because Black People have been organizing for years, and unless you get involved personally in helping resolve the issue as well- you will have to sit and swallow a hard pill on the history of Black on Black Crime and How upset the Black Community is about it, what the Black Community has done to resolve it. Now, that the Blacks have been highlighted, are there others who want to speak on their Community crime rate and resolution? Or do we just keep with a threatened tone on this thread and make an example of the Blacks?
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@25 & 26

Of course there is white on white crime, Asian on Asian crime, etc, etc. Two points you're failing to see.



1) the rate of homicide in the African American community is exponentially higher than among all other racial/ethnic groups in America. Statistically they are not even comparable. This is a problem that is somehow taboo to talk about. Time for that to end.



2) You say the black community has organized around the issue of black on black violence for years, and I believe that. But I don't see the same level of outrage directed at the problem - which takes thousands of lives each and every year - as I see directed at the handful of black lives that are lost during struggles with law enforcement. The carnage level of the former is so much larger than that of the latter. Yet I don't see "die in's" or freeway closures or rioting, or "Black Lives Matter" picket signs directed at the atrocities that occur every day within the black community. And speaking of "black lives matter".... do they only matter when they are taken by white people, or do they also matter when they are taken in the thousands by other black people?
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@Yazzi,
You sound stuck. I don't think I can create a series of words to get you out of that idea, but I'll try. At best, I could say you don't see, because it is not your concern. I see a National outrage, and a Community very proactive in increasing efforts to reduce crime and the womb to prison situation that they find themselves in this country. Every Community of Humans have their share of candidates to be thinned from the herd, and those folks should be thinned from the herd, I am speaking of criminals. But in this argument concerning the notion that Blacks are not as outraged about the criminals within their Community as they are on supposed, not enough evidence to prove "our" Community is committing unnecessary crime at-will on Blacks- is borderline racists, without committing to the root thought that there is a knee jerk reaction to call Blacks criminals and "our" Community the everyday hero. Maybe I see this differently because of my associations, but the Blacks are outraged and have been internally and nationally. Maybe the act of protest is when something resonates from the Community when its an issue of cops protecting and serving- or lack there of, and when it's maintaining a certain quality of life, and at times life itself..the approach from the Black Community is peaceful and more integrating. I tell you, that Black Rage is as much internally as it is in protest on cops or justice system. Only one of those things gets credit and gets National attention. Also, been thinking, maybe we're minimizing Blacks and the word Community. Sure there is a common thread- but jeez there are several types and locations of where the Black Community exists. We are acting as though they are in one place with maybe have one guy to speak for them. I don't know something I'm noticing. Hell get out more, strike up a conversation.
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I only have one thing to say! If you dont like it, move to Baghdad or Damascus, then tell me how bad it it in the United States!



http://www.odmp.org/search/year
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I am Silent. I don't live in Ferguson,nor in Staten Island. You can "Feel" all you want. Just don't tell me how, or what to feel and when.

No one Famous has to Speak Up. What for?

And, If you really wanted to do something other than write Op Eds and complain. You'd move to Missouri. Become a Resident. Get a Law degree. Get elected to the State Legislature. And work to change the Law. That's the ONLY way that any change will happen. Is through the State Legislature. It's called Change From Within. These "Protest" will only go on for so long. Then the State, and the Nation as a whole. Will move on to the next "Outrage".

Complaining does NOTHING. Voicing one's Opinion Gets one noticed. And can raise good points that can have Local effect.

But, If you really want to do something about Ferguson. What you call a unjust legal system. Then do something about it. Don't just call for change. Do what it takes to make the change happen. And if you don't, then you're complicit too.
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Being silent on black/rap culture's misogyny and homophobia make YOU complicit. 30+ years I've been listening to black culture tell the world I'm nothing but a bitch/ho. And a homosexual on top of that? Blacks have done as much damage to women and gays as the GOP. Please understand why I don't give two shits as to your people's "plight".
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what a strange philosophy to disseminate to people
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The headline and text of this article reads like sloppy copy cat/coat tail writing.

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