Music Nov 12, 2009 at 4:00 am

Seattle's Chillwave Scene Is "Rising"— But Is It Already "Too Late"?

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The genra of 'genras' is what's dead. Music journalists (and now bloggers) created the idea of popular music genras and they have now effectively killed it. Not to blame them, it's just what they do and it was enevitable- as new sounds emerged the rush to be the first to break the new sound/declare the old one dead intensified and coalesced with increasing rates of communication speed. The snake eating it's tail finally got so far down it's tail that it is now eating it's own mouth.
But it's OK, as anyone who lived on capitol hill in the eighties will no doubt tell you over and over again, the true heyday of grunge had passed by the time the True story of grunge was published. Crass was singing that punk was dead before the rest of the world even knew what punk was.
The idea of selling out is gone, we can enjoy good music without regard to how the enjoyment of a certain band defines our identities. Music is now truly post-modern. Sampling is a part of music making, pedals and processors can be hooked up to any instrument, synths can rock. People can and do like a variety of music and good bands always live beyond genra death.
The new challenge is to journalists to learn a new way of writing about music without relying on 'the next big thing'.
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this was a great read, and I love a lot of the bands mentioned. that being said.... wasn't this genre in fact invented on Hipster Runoff? Doesn't that sort of invalidate any thoughtful analysis of said genre? The fellow from USF was right on in saying "if they'd come out maybe five years apart, there's no way people would lump them together."

Not sure how many people have noticed this, but it seems to me that the most prominent of these bands, Neon Indian IMO, is little more than a facsimile of Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti. I mean seriously, listen to the Doldrums and then tell me Psychic Chasms isn't ripping it off big time. Just sayin'.
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As far as that quote...if all the "grunge" acts had happened years apart from each other, no one might've lumped them together either. What more is a scene really than a bunch of like-minded artists making music at the same moment in time?
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This was an insightful and thoughtful piece, and it's nice to see a paper give sufficient space to its Music editorial staff to make it possible, particularly given the local emphasis.

A few thoughts:

Although it's difficult to argue with the fact that technology and the 24-hour news cycle have accelerated the boom-bust aesthetic cycle, I think it's also very easy to have romantic notions about the pace of such things in the past. Seasonal musical fads that burned out quickly have been a core component of pop culture at least since the advent of Rock n' Roll. I think what's changed is largely the ways that the public (formerly critics) frame these trends. No one would have thought to call the Raiders' and Kingsmen's dueling versions of "Louie Louie" a genre, likewise with response songs such as "Hound Dog" v. "Bear Cat." They were just part of a musical dialogue, one whose practitioners and fans, I don't think, would ever have made claims of genre-hood.

I think that arguments about beach imagery and childhood nostalgia being somehow zeitgeisty are interesting, but I think Eric is right to attribute the proliferation of those themes and imagery to the rapid-fire exchange of music through the internet from band to band. Plus, beach songs and bands have been a core element of pop music DNA for decades, and a seasonal revival that brings that strand to the forefront during summertime is kind of appealing to me. On the other hand, I find very few of these "chillwave" bands to my taste, so many of them seeming like unabashed Animal Collective acolytes. I do really dig Best Coast, though.

One point of contention I have, however, is with the notion that the real-time exchange of aesthetic ideas that the internet facilitates (and which is so clearly illustrated by the critical grouping of "chillwave" bands if not necessarily their actual content) makes geography irrelevant. On the contrary, I think that the feedback loop of the online music media shines such a tightly focused spotlight on a handful of musical trends at any given moment that its effects in terms of homogenization are similar to, if rougher-edged than, those of major lables and payola-based radio in their heyday. While internet-based musical communities and groupings are almost inherently based on aesthetic similarities, location-based communities at their best are defined by containing a broad spectrum of stylistic viewpoints belonging to people who work, live and support one another because of sharing a city. Local communities are still the key to heterogeneity and innovation in music, I think. The internet can do good for that too, of course, don't get me wrong, but writers/bloggers (not speaking of Eric here) mistaking seasonal flavors for genres does not.
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lotta fucking words for something called...chillwave?? uh, yeah- rock and roll is dead, or at least you'd think so reading this rag. I know, let's overanalyze the next not-so-big thing (scrotebeat, tech-lo-wavefuck, dancestab, shitriot, etc.)until we convince ourselves and 3 others just how important it is.
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Holy shit, do I ever hate that Hipster Runoff must-be-one-month-ahead-at-all-times bullshit. When did music stop being fun for people like that? Was it ever?
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"If grunge were to happen today, it wouldn't need a bunch of bands living in the same city to reach critical mass; it would only require enough acts linked up online."

If this is actually true it is really sad. However, I don't believe it is true. Any music "scene" with any real soul gets that from people, fans and musicians, interacting physically. Then again, maybe I am just too old to see it any other way.
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@2-
I agree with you on the Ariel Pink comparison. In fact, when I mentioned this to a friend who is really into this whole "chillwave" movement he checked Ariel Pink out and thought it was awesome. Of course, not a year ago I recall this same friend shutting of my car stereo because he thought Ariel Pink "sounded like garbage"...sigh. It's sad how much people place their aesthetic tastes these days in the hands of Pitchfork, Hipster Runoff, GvsB, and yes, The Stranger. I'm not saying this is a new phenomena--prior to the internet, people of various generations would head to Creem or NME or whatever for their musical aesthetics--just that it's vexing.
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oh what up hargus
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Shitriot for the win!
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This article leaves me with the sort of "huh?" a goldfish might experience who, 5 minutes after becoming sentient, has just watched a commercial for Activia yogurt.
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Who's in the picture? Are they just a couple of "whatev" dudes?
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As someone who does not live in or near Seattle, I find this article disturbing in that it makes you look shallow and needy.
Seriously...
Grunge was great in its day - and plenty of Seattle grunge bands, as well as those they inspired, are still cool even today - but the writers and editors of this paper need to get over thinking Seattle is the center of the musical universe. Is it so important for you to be the home of the next big thing or music genre? Seattle is NOT NYC or London, nor will it ever be. That's a good thing, btw. New Orleans has its blues, New York has its Punk and Hip Hop, Chicago had its house music, Nashville has its country/western, Germany has its techno, etc....

Get over having to be the center of the next big thing or movement (even though I hardly think "Chillwave" is the next big thing). I think you writers are grasping at straws to put a label on everything.
As far as music influenced directly by electronics and the internet, well, Chillout, Downtempo, and Electronica have been on top of that for quite a few years now.
Your need to label every variation of music sucks the fun out of rock and roll and puts musicians and fans in the boxes they usually fight to stay out of.
It's nice for a city to have a music scene, but I hardly think Seattle is ever going to be the home of the musical universe. Be thankful your city received so much international attention in the 90's. In the meantime, the world is still dealing with a Starbucks on every corner.
-Charles
Boston, MA
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charles. as a musician that lives in seattle i can tell you; seattle sucks and this article is a symptom of a bigger problem. seattle understands music and art as purely superficial and labels are all they have the ability to see it as. it's fashion, it's self-serving, it's a trend, it's disposable. music in seattle is merely a vehicle hipsters use to gain personal attention and to progress themselves as pseudo-artists because they are self absorbed, egotistical assholes. their bands are an outfit they wear and a conversation piece they use to seem interesting and make people care about them. the music they make is just an extension of their garb, nothing more. furthermore, there is no room in seattle for people that actually care about progressing the art-form of music. the "diy scene" in seattle is the prefect example of how seattle completely misinterprets art and music. venues such as healthy times fun club, the black lodge and the loose knit collection of house venues that stem from them are geared more toward being the exclusive providers of all things non-creative and uninteresting while leaving well-meaning artists and bands left out to dry because they have too much substance and make you contemplate more than the singers outfit or how cute the drummers silk screened crew neck wolf sweatshirt was. that "scene" is suppose to provide a place for art to grow and develop but it has been reduced to promoting fads and masturbation... it's no wonder then when i talk to bands from portland they think seattle sucks and don't play here and why all the good bands from seattle move...

i don't know.. maybe i'm just bitter about feeling completely alone in a city that has been relentlessly disappointing from the moment i moved here.
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Then maybe we could all chip in and buy you a bus ticket?
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dismissive, yeah.. great way to approach a problem.
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wasnt sure what was really said with this article. i saw these guys live and they sorta just pushed a button and stood to the side.

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@13 and 14: supercoolstorybro
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@5:
I'm totally naming a song 'Dancestab'. It'll be some next not-so-big shit too.
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I'd never read Hipster Runoff before. Then I tried to read it. Then I vomited. EVERYWHERE. Thanks!
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@ cosby

that's cool, I'ma keep SCROTEBEAT though. I feel that one really might have legs enough to get me to the magic land we call "teenfingertown".

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