A Heart-to-Heart with Die Antwoord

The Mind-Fucking South African Rappers on Marilyn Manson, Sex with Dolphins, and Being Bewildering

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They are beyond cute and I love their cartoony aesthetic. Their "music" however is unbearable, but you can't win at everything.
2
Gonna be there, so excite.
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I like how selective people are about their contempt for homophobia. Die Antwoord use an anti-gay slur on their latest record but I doubt anyone will be out to picket them next week. For those keeping score at home, if you use homophobic language and you are white (Die Antwoord), that's just art. If you use homophobic language and you are black (Odd Future), that's a hate crime.

Also, using the n-word = keeping it real classy, guys. Is there a form of apartheid I can use to keep Die Antwoord segregated from myself?
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I turned on David Letterman last week, partway through Die Antwoord's performance of "I fink u freeky" and felt my jaw literally drop. It was like they were raping my brain, and I was enjoying it. Thanks for the interview!
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I agree with cosby above - c'mon, Stranger people, what's the deal? Are you just not aware of the lyrics of Evil Boy? "Don't touch my penis / I am not a gay / My penis is for the girls / My penis is clean." Nice. Or is it just sufficiently dada-hipsterish/exotic to be okay?
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@ 3 & 6
Context, people. A word is not evil for existing and being used. It's about how you use it. I can't say I completely understand their use of words, and a lot of their South African slang is totally lost on me, but they're an interesting group I wouldn't assume is working the hate angle.

http://sniperslovenest.blogspot.com/2012…
"DJ Hi-Tek is gay,” he explains, “so there you go, now you all know.”
Ninja adds: “Hi-Tek says the word faggot doesn’t hold any power over him. Hi-Tek says faggot all the time. He’s taken that word and made it his bitch."

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http://motherjones.com/riff/2010/10/die-…

"Now the thing is, about those men you have to go to the bush with. Xhosa culture is un-fokking-believeably homophobic. They like, do not dig gays—with the volume up! So Wanga thought it was funny that they then take a 19-year-old's penis in their hand and cut their foreskin off with a kitchen knife. So Wanga made a joke: "Don't touch my penis. I'm not a gay." It's basically like the most severe taunt you can throw at a Xhosa man. So that's where that line comes from. Like, whatever. Like DJ Fishsticks, who's done our remix. He's gay and nobody really cares. South Park taught us that "gay" and "faggot" don't mean a homosexual person. It's somebody who rides on a Harley-Davidson motorbike and revs it really loud."
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One of your better ones yet Trent. Following corn dog with urethra, impeccable. God I love you. Always a pleasure. Die Antwoord have their thing down. They seem to work hard.
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@7 thank you... Gawd... people seems to miss that everywhere else isn't just like the US.
About the N-word [censured for your benefit]. Racism doesn't work the same everywhere - here for example skin colour isnt as relevant as where your from. A black american is someone who would be "high up" in the racist scale where as a polack wouldn't. The word and its swedish equivalent doesn't have the same weight as in the US. To me the word doesn't have the same cultural reference - its just something I grew up hearing US rappers use and that allot of people in the US don't like.

South Africas racism isn't as easy to understand but its weight on skin colour comes from a completely different angle than in the US or here. The use of the word ties into a sort of cultural theft of the US rap scenes use of the word (You haven't lived until youve heard russian white rappers use it to define each other as an anti-racist statement)

As for saying faggot or gay - its completely different depending on from what angle you say it (I think). Dan Savage started his columns with "Hey Faggot" in the beginning and we wouldn't claim that was homophobic or self-hating would we?

I guess this whole thing connects with the thing about Tyler the Creator - and there its kinda similar. He isn't a homophobe but he uses it as an assault form - and that is kinda bad I guess but to claim its homophobic would be ridiculous.

.... basicly its different everywhere. So relax and look at the context instead of the specific detail.
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Bunny licked Yo-Landi's hand when they were at Sonic Boom.
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There's no way around it. Weird, intense, committed exhibitionists are boring.
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I am one of the ones who can't look away from these guys. You hit many nails on many heads here Trent Moorman. Yo-Landi, call me!
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cosby @4 - they really went out of their way in the video link posted @7 to say explain the usage, and reiterate that they are okay with gay and basically f*ck those who are not. i'm not sure that changes anything for you, but i don't doubt their sincerity on the matter.
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Shrug, hipster rap. It's cool but not my thing.

LOLing at the wank over word usage, though. From ethnocentric navel-gazing to straight up derangement.

If you're offended, they apologized. If you're appropriating it as an ironic slur they basically told you to go fuck yourself. I think we're all done here.
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brilliant.
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@14 oh please go be insecure somewhere else would you? Honestly I get people who are pissed off about the language use and those who see it as some ironic thing too - its you boring wankers I can't stand. The people who has to try to assert themselves in any situation by feigning some kind of ennui or world weariness and shoving those faux emotions down other peoples throats in comment threads like this...

If you don't care, if you really had nothing invested in the article or have nothing to contribute to the thread at all... why would you bother commenting?

Can't you go try to impress some teenagers somewhere instead like the rest of the slack jawed idiots who think they've found the magic sollution to being interesting?
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i saw these jerk offs the last time they came through town. i went because i fell prey to the hype. talk about a boring weak ass show! white folks from south africa no less, doing the wigger thing. offensive to my brown ass. i was really surprised they didn't burn a cross and come out in KKK hoods for the encore. i bet mudede loves em.......
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LOL @rayray, are you sure you went to the same show? I went and it was SO FUCKING AWESOME, vibe was sick, and EVERYBODY was feeling it, i mean EVERYBODY was dancing. show was amazing, beats even better. MY brain had an orgasm and I was completely sober.
<3
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I wanna put Yolandi up my bum
Keep her there till she turns into my mum
Got ninja nigga hi tek fun
My dreams are cursed by holocaust of injun

Don't worry mum it's just for fun
Who needs a sole when we've got big black dicks and big bad guns
With bresteses and bubble gum
Who gives a fuck I'll die alone
With a black cat named Africa

Die antwoord is the answer to a question no one muttered
If you're mind confused get the fuck out and come back when your mind is blowing' loads all over the face of what you thought you know
The end is here its here to stay apocalypse is everyday

No fuckin way
My place is a mess and yolandi is here to stay
Got to clean up my shit, what the fuck will ninja say
I guess I'll feed them the aliens I cooked yesterday
Mad hospitable I am today
Sure ninja, you can borrow my undies, they is clean, it's ok

Wtf is wat kyk jy?
Why you always rocking rats and shit anyway?
If you want to burn fast and hard you got to blow up can't fade away
I lived my life and...

"I DID IT MY WAY!"

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Leave it to Seattle to shit on everything.
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what don't you guys get about manufactured controversy?
Go look at Max Normal videos on Youtube. That is the same damn people as Die Antwoord.
do you really think the people that made that music are these thugged out white trash rappers?
They are playing a character in both cases.
In terms of the uncool use of faggot and nigger, they are simply miming the typical mainstream pop manufactured controversy.
Though to be honest, I do believe it is just in the US that we put so much venom into the word nigger. I find it hard to believe that nobody in SA would be offended by it. But then the likely have other words for insulting black or colored people. Which are different things in SA.
There is a cool song from the 80's by "Beatnigs" called "in South Africa Today". They are a San Francisco multi-racial group, but it really goes into the crazy number of racial categories in SA.
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what don't you guys get about manufactured controversy?
Go look at Max Normal videos on Youtube. That is the same damn people as Die Antwoord.
do you really think the people that made that music are these thugged out white trash rappers?
They are playing a character in both cases.
In terms of the uncool use of faggot and nigger, they are simply miming the typical mainstream pop manufactured controversy.
Though to be honest, I do believe it is just in the US that we put so much venom into the word nigger. I find it hard to believe that nobody in SA would be offended by it. But then the likely have other words for insulting black or colored people. Which are different things in SA.
There is a cool song from the 80's by "Beatnigs" called "in South Africa Today". They are a San Francisco multi-racial group, but it really goes into the crazy number of racial categories in SA.
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I Love you guys keep doing what your doing!! Fuckin Ninjas be real