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Good luck making it without the food, oil and armed forces of the south. Next time someone flies a plane into one of your buildings, say "fuck you, leave" to members of the armed forces, because a disproportionate number of them come from the south.
Good work, bash them for fighting for state rights (and incidentally, slavery), then you go on to judge people based on where they were born and stereotypes. Just for fun, Abe Lincoln was a huge racist. The North wasn't fighting for slaves' rights. Relax and hop off your moral superiority throne. Wait, where have I heard that before...
Yeah, the “North” founded this country, but in case you didn’t notice, the South is FAR MORE in line with the ideals and principals on which this country was founded. Small government, free markets, individual liberties- you might remember that from your superior grade school history class. Unfortunately, people in the north aren’t smart and responsible enough to be trusted with their own freedoms, so they have to restrict and regulate everything from guns to healthcare. Yeah, Northerners are literally too irresponsible and./or stupid to be trusted with a weapon. Think about that next time you bash the South for something
While you were hypocritically running around with a holier than thou attitude bashing the south for being holier than thou through stereotypes, you might want to take a minute to realize your farts don't smell like roses. Cocaine? Other hard drugs? Jersey Trash? Rude and arrogant Northerners? (Gee, where did that one come from?) Clusterfuck corrupt wall-street executives and investment advisers? Let us not forget the GLORIOUS guidos blowing out their hair, taking steroids, blowing out their hair drinking their MUSCLE MILK and living at home with their mom. Oh, look at that. Idiots live in the North too!
However, the absolute best part of this was how you referred to southern as being "holier than thou" and "morally superior" while you proclaim your superiority and bash them based on stereotypes.
And this is why, when I am out of the North East, I am embarrassed to tell people I’m from New York- people associate me with ignorant, hypercritical, pretentious, ethnocentric fools like you.
A thoroughly embarrassed New Yorker.
Read a history book dickhead.
As a proud southerner and ex-Seattlite of 9 years, who swears his love of both places equally, the premises of "F**k the South" are so ridiculous that it negates some of Seattle's own nefarious past.
The fact that in both the Southern Cascades and the Northern Rockies, have moved the majority of White Supremacists in the country, should raise an eyebrow. To be fair, these numbnuts chose the PacNW due to its wide open spaces, where one can hide out, hunker down, and ferment their paranoia unchecked until they become some of the area's most favorite form of criminal, mass murderers. In the last 40 years, they've moved to the area to escape the mid-west and south, where more and more minorities, women and *EEK!* liberals have taken charge or are making inroads.
But, let's not stop at 40 years; lets go back to the depression. Just 4 counties south of Seattle on I-5 lies the sleepy twin cities of Chehalis and Centralia in Lewis County. The predecessors of companies like Weyerhaeuser were lacking in workers to clear cut the new frontier of the Southern Cascades, in order to rip out and destroy old grow trees so erosion and toxins could build up in the streams.
So, what did they do? "Say, let's go to North Carolina were many loggers are impoverished and out of work." Why not? The lumber companies of NY had completely decimated the Appalachians so that they looked like a desert, so of course folks needed a hand up! So the left coasters packed up their trucks and drove to Mount Airy: polluted swimmin' holes, pig sties, hillbillies!
But, even by western standards, findin' all those good ole boy's up n' dah hollers was a might tough. After tryin' Elks, Eagles and "Odd Feller's" Clubs, they tried the organization that boasted more than just "a -few- good men"....they tried the (drum roll maestro please) John Birch Society! The lumber companies promised them acres of rich land in exchange for meager subsistence pay a company store (which like all, gouged them) and a hovle to live in. (If the Okies had only known how welcome they'd have been in Washington State, they'd never had gone to California after the dust bowl!)
They land they got was flood plain bottom land. Summers were great for growing, but come autumn - yer flooded, so don't build there! But, with thousands of acres between them, they knew they coould eek out a living on crops - particularly -after- the depression and WW2. What happened after WW2? Eisenhower built I-5 using public domain to take land from them for I-5. No problemo: there was so much land to be had, the government simply traded them land further off on high ground, with their frontage -on either side of I-5!-
Up went every form o' business along with land values, making the John Birchers and their decedents instant millionaires - which they remain to this day. Gone are their southern accents. Now they are civic leaders, padding their millions hidden in UBS accounts. The John Birchers were and are basically a more legitimized version of the KKK. The main difference is that instead of a scowl and a hand gun pushed into yer yeller belly, they smile, extend a hand and tell you that as an American, you have a right to die if you don't buy into their Limbaugh/Beck belief systems, and leave it at that. They have booths at county fairs, bake sales with the ladies auxillary and gun shows just to balance the whole Holsum Bakery style charade.
Down in Lewis County, they still have the habit of ppolitical corruption, raping the land, public policy and keeping down those who oppose them. They also have the habit of displaying and using their own good ole boy network to grease palms.
The next time you drive down I-5, stop at exit 76. You'll see a billboard with Uncle Sam on it and some epitaph along the lines of "US out of the UN" or "Divest in the commies at Evergreen College" (one of their favorite targets.) or "procecute Mothers who abort their babies" and other such backward thinking mindlessness. All courtesy of the used car dealer underneath it - a John Bircher. In fact, there are more John Birch society members living in the PacNW than anywhere else in the US.
In conclusion, the south no longer boasts as many conservative crazies as it used to - oh, we have our share. But, we statistically produce more PhDs, more writers and artists than any other region of the country. My resident state, Virginia, put Barak Obama over the top.
Go into the Hills around these parts of VA and down into NC, and you find, like in the rest of the country, quite a few red necks and specifically confederate flags. In fact, the family down the street, who are directly descended from slaves who once worked the property they now own, keep a confederate flag up every day.
We southerners love grits n' red eye gravy, cows tongue, ocra, chittlins and the plentiful supply of venison from deer that are so over-populated that 10 times as many are road-kill than could ever be hunted, at current rates. We like country music, sure. But, we also love blues, jazz and rock n' roll: all of which are southern inventions. We love our hills, shores, lowlands and the outdoors much more than the city, even if we -live- in the city. But, we also love the fine and performing arts in our states that spend more on the arts than most others in the country. (At one time Mississippi, the poorest state, spent more on arts funding from both public and private sources, per capita, than any other state.)
So, if conservatist extremism is the criteria to determine that we should "F*ck the South", ya better "F*ck the Northwest" first. Ergo, the next time you hear banjos playin in the distance, don't think of the south; think of driving along beautiful Route 20 cutting through the mountains from I-5 all the way to Yakima. Remember folks, if you're abducted while hiking the Cascades to "squeal like a pig", if you value your life.
Philip, now living in the Shenandoah mountains, known as Northwestern "the Freestate" Virginia.
There was very little to be proud about through most of this decade. As David Broder said about Clinton, but somehow, along with the legion of deaf, dumb and blind journalists who hypnotically or hallucinatingly tripped through the mid-90's and continued through Cheney/Bush, absentmindedly couldn't see just how "He came in here and trashed the place, and it wasn't even his place to trash." applied so aptly to the Cheney/Bush years, the "Fuck the South" Rant provided me some comfort.
Sure, the Reagan deregulation years and faux Conservative fiscal responsibility and brief experiment with 19th century trickle-down econ. not to mention the endeavor into illegally selling military equipment to an enemy to fund coups in Central America didn't apply to the South very much, but like fellow Californian Nixon before him, Reagan used all the political tools to exploit the stereo-types of the South to whip it up to his advantage for maximum support and usher in the shit of the 90's.
And then we had to live with the shit.
I should start off by saying that I live in Arkansas and consider the area I live in Northwest, AR, to be more tolerant than your “fuck the south” rant doles out.
I know it may seem to you that the south is a shit-hole, but for every story of idiocy here there are the same number of similar stories north, east and west. As a true progressive I must say that the tone of the piece is a huge overstatement.
Believe me, I understand your frustration with some elements of the South, but trust me when I tell you that you are incorrect about the whole of the South. Even Blanche Lincoln is finding out just how many liberals and progressives live in this state.
By the way, Arkansas is not as far south as you can get you know.
Just remember there are many, many, many good people here who do not share the old values or the backwoods ideals. Just last week a boy from West Fork, Arkansas refused to stand to or recite the Pledge of Allegiance until gay rights become equal to heterosexual rights.
I’m just hoping that you understand that even in your neck of the woods ignorance thrives.
There not rude, pushy, run there mouths without backing it up, you are as cold as the wheather you live in.
The problem with the liberal elite is that they are politically correct, but not streetwise. They don't understand what it means to be poor and struggling, but they know how to solve poor people's problems. They are out of touch.
As for the south: right now, in Savannah Georgia, my daughters go to a public montessori school with a plethora of gay teachers and fifty percent white and fifty percent black kids. They are living in a much more diverse world than I lived in when I grew up in Somerville Massachusetts.
As for founding fathers: Jefferson Davis and George Washington were southerners. Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia are the original thirteen colonies.
Why not spend some real time in the South before kicking us out of the union?
"In Dixieland I'll Take My Stand"!
words your dead in the water, conspiracy theorists speaking lets research and see what happens
425,000 cubic yards of concrete and 200,000 tons of steel were designed to hold up against a Boeing 707, the largest plane built at the time the towers were completed in 1973. Analysis had shown that a 707 traveling at 600 miles an hour (and those had four engines) would not cause major damage. The twin-engine Boeing 757s that hit on 9/11 were going 440 and 550 miles an hour.
"gravity driven collapse" without demolition charges defies the laws of physics. These buildings fell, at nearly the rate of free-fall, straight down into their own footprint, in approximately ten seconds scientists found chips of nano-thermite peer-reviewed Open Chemical Physics Journal, in April 2009 Think long and hard about what is happening around us America who thinks all threats to the American Dream are from external sources The threat from within is so imminent and such a large elephant, and so in-the-open that many fail to see it
Xe Services (formerly Blackwater), Haliburton, KBR, Carlysle Group, Raytheon, DARPA, Dept of Defense, and Dept of Homeland Security, for starters. 9-11 has resulted in Hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue to these entities. Time to start thinking, researching and answering your own questions while the internet is still uncensored organizations that are really running this country: Big Banking, Big Business, Big Government Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain On Sept. 6, 2001, the Thursday before the tragedy, 2,075 put options were made on United Airlines and on Sept. 10, the day before the attacks, 2,282 put options were recorded for American Airlines. Given the prices at the time, this could have yielded speculators between $2 million and $4 million in profit "Owner" of the WTC, Larry Silverstein collected; In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million.
A federal jury on Monday ruled that the assault on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center was in fact two occurrences for insurance purposes. The finding in U.S. District Court in Manhattan means leaseholder Larry Silverstein may collect up to $4.6 billion, according to reports I would guess that would be a great place for you to start when it comes to trying to follow the money. You know what they say, you want the "Truth"? Follow the money. In long before the enormous corporate mergers of the past decade, the then Chase Manhattan Bank held 5.2% of the voting stock of Mobil Oil and 4.5% of Atlantic Richfield (now Arco). Through ownership of shares or membership on Boards of Directors, the Rothschild, Rockefeller, and Morgan families also controlled the largest U.S. insurance, pharmaceutical and food corporations in 1972.
Department of Defense awards for the top five weapons contractors grew from $43.5 billion in 2001 to $66.4 billion in 2003. During the first 24 hours of the 2003 war on Iraq the U.S. fired 500 of Raytheon's Tomahawk missiles at a cost of $600,000 per missile.
gas in the U.S. rose despite the output of oil from Iraq also rising toward its pre-invasion level of 2.4 million barrels a day
OMG !!!! I just looked in the mirror, and scared the hell out of myself!!! I must be a real danger to the establishment! Oooooooo-- should I call the FBI on myself? out of 278,058,881 people, 2,752 deaths is regarded as a small price to pay in order to gain public support for policy
The people who actually have power in any highly established government/corporation of any country, (and by this I mean the few at the very top layers of our social structure, those in a position where money has no meaning and is mearly a tool of control over the herd) can do what ever they desire. We then have to pick up the pieces. Yet sadly by the time transparency is achieved over a matter, BANG - a new event unfolds. americans have had the worst brainwashing/indoctrination on the planet (it seems to me anyway) hence this sort of thing is unimaginable to most americans, yet the rest of the world have known for decades.(think of all those american flags that have been publicly burnt, these people dont just burn flags in their spare time for a laugh I can assure you.) Think about it.
we will have another false flag but i'm not as conserned about that as i am about the plans for us look in your own back yard whats
happening is comming faster and faster just some of us can see the ground before others and when we hit its not going to look good
any body want some ketchup thats not good for you it could be dangeries its gatt to much truth syrup in it you might not like the taste
but as they say never know until you try it (i'm just a tiny little fish with some really big sharks trying to eat me just trying to stay ahead of the game and warn others) i care thats why i share.
I'd just like to add that, in the end, what this guy was railing against was the double standard in which Southern stereotypes are considered the handiwork of elitist, baby-killing heathens, while stereotypes of us Northeners are thought of as pretty much on the mark. OK?
Though I am a conservative, and I suppose ignorant because of that fact, just as you have explained in this article, I do beleive that it is true that the 42nd president of the United States, and that the 2000 democratic Presidential candidate was Al Gore. As Gore is from Tennessee and Clinton is from Arkansas, I would believe I am right in stating that they are both are from the South.
Also, on another note, I would believe I am right in stating that many of the founding fathers were from the South. In fact, I believe George Washington, James Madison, and Thomas Jefferson are all from the South. Even during the Civil War, the infamous President Abraham Lincoln was, in fact, from the South, as he was born in Kentucky and considered himself a Kentuckian until death.
On another note, the Northeast is home to seven top ten states in terms of federal debt. In fact, your beloved Massachusetts is first on that list.....This is obviously a result of the northeast "building and supporting" the South though.
It has also appeared to me that many people from the northeast vacation in the South. I am sure you are against this, and I am curious as to why they would want to come to the South if it was sooooo bad. I will take it on you to stop this trend, as northerners vacationing in the South puts money that should be in the north's economy into the South's economy. You should get them to vacation instead to the New Jersey coast,or the Vermont coast, or Cape Cod. I have heard those places have wonderful weather during the winter, as long as their isn't a blizzard. I have also heard that the New York bay has some of the best swimming water in the country. Thank God liberals care so much about saving the environment.
I am sure I have made countless mistakes in this response and I will leave it to you to correct them. Once again, I am just completely ashamed not to be a "fucking northeast liberal elite."
The history of the Civil War, and the reasons for Southern rebellion, all have their roots in slavery and the Southern Elite's wish to keep them (to protect their revenue streams, cant beat free labor)...they were also in fear of being murdered in their sleep by those newly freed slaves (long live John Brown). 'States Rights' have always been the 'thinking-Southern-man's' impotent excuse for the conflict...but this argument fails just below the surface becasue why? What rights were those states trying to keep? Thats right...slavery. Try as you might we southerners cannot wash away the horrible past with a clever lexicon. And I don't care if Lincoln was a racsist (which I don't believe) he freed the slaves so who gives a shit!
Truer words were never spoken. While they are pounding it up their ass, do you think they can stuff Sarah Palin & the rest of the Republican party up there as well?
Because that would be just delightfull.
When I heard that 70% of all Federal Entitlements go to gun totin', book burning, red-states I just laughed.
Those shiftless inbred, confederate layabouts prancing around as proud as illiterate peacocks is why our nation is only a shadow of her former glory!
Whole swaths of this once great nation are teeming with lazy, uneducated inbred confederate bums!
George W. AWOL wasn't qualified to preside over a high school class but, because that southern base of inbred losers only looks at where the candidate comes from, we had to put up with 8 years of a retarded boy embarrassing my nation on the world stage!
Then we had Caribou Barbie boasting to her useless base of sister fucking hillbillies that Alaska was a Real-State and that the states where the Boston Tea-Party, the Midnight Ride of Paul Revere and The Shot Heard Round The World, to name but a few, took place aren't really American I wanted to cry at their inbred stupidity.
Alaska, America's biggest socialist charity state is the Real America?
If you really believe that your Mom and Dad were almost certainly brother and sister!
So, do your useless children a favor and leave already.
I mention your useless children because here in modern America we no longer have any use for primitive children so, unless you want them sweeping floors or shoveling shit, you'd better launch your own inbred nation where your useless uneducated primitive kids can have a better more fulfilling life being Piggly Wiggly cashiers.
GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR COUNTRY YOU FILTHY CONFEDERATE TRAITORS!!!!
WE FUCKING TRIED. You responded by sending troops to burn our homes and drag us kicking and screaming back to make yourselves feel better.
I hope that more Southern people see this article so that we can get them motivated to actually leave. I've wanted to live in a free country all my life.
Dare to have a history lesson? Read this article then go buy his books.
One more thing, consider yourself lucky to have been born at all. Have you traced your roots? Were your ancestors soldiers? Are you proud of your heritage and family traditions? Would you speak this way in front of them? I hope you answer no.
Whether your family fought for the north or not, is irrelevant. I feel a deep sadness that this is their legacy. This nasty diatribe from a supposed fellow human being.
Be ashamed of yourself. They certainly would be. And that goes for all that can not voice their opinions without being a filthy and uncaring person toward the populace of part of your own country. A person who can not fashion an argument without resorting to name calling and foul language truly represents themselves as a simpleton.
As a Southerner, I feel a deep sorrow for the loss of the northern soldiers who were tricked into fighting for a tyrant such as Lincoln and his ilk.
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The 13th amendment freed the slaves, not Lincoln.
The 14th amendment created a Corporation out of the United States. We ALL became SLAVES because of it.
Our Nation, today, is not a socialistic or Communistic government, but a combination of both and it is now governed by what is called "corporatism" This far greater a threat than any our Constitution has to deal with. It is ruthless and it's scope is world-wide... It's buSINess as usual... Only POWER matters and what they can STEAL from everyone...
The cause of the SOUTH is the cause of us ALL!!
The South was the only Consitutional government this country ever had and Lincoln knew it, that is why he INVADED the South.
Lincoln was the beginning of the end of this Republic's Constitution. He was no hero...
I feel for the subdued and truly lost North.
They believe everything they are told, especially those packed in sardine can, multi-level hi-rise communities who have absolutely nothing and can not live without the government or they will certainly parish. There is only SLAVERY for them...You must DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD!!
In corporatism, it is CHEAPER to kill a million than to support them!!! That is BuSINess!!!
That is why they allow the Mexicans and Muslims in, so we can save them the trouble of being active in thinning the crop.
Now, if we turn our attention to not only those two groups but, the Corporate elite, the real source of all our problems, FREEDOM from Government control will be ours and our Constitution restored.
Question: If it was about slavery, why did Lincoln release ONLY the slaves in the states where he had no authority, namely the CSA? The ones in the northern states (including Mrs. Lincoln's) remained slaves.
Did you know, Mr. Ignoramus, that there were BLACK slave owners? You really need to do a little research of history before you spout off.
Also...if secession was illegal, explain West Virginia.
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Oh, and show some balls by putting your name on the rant.
If you haven't the courage of your convictions or a true belief in what you say, then sit down and shut up you moral and intellectual coward !!!
Wow! Mr. "Anonymous" is going to kick my ass? How courageous. Given the fact that you’ve chosen to hide behind an “anonymous” screen name, I’m not exactly shaking in my boots!
Ok, Mr. Anonymous, now hear this. Throughout the “Civil War”, many Southerners repeatedly stated “All we ask is to be left alone.” Of course, a lot of people from states like yours just couldn’t understand what those words meant. So let me lay it out for you, albeit 150 years too late:
Keep your gay marriage. You can marry another guy, or your dog, or your pet mongoose for all I care. Just don’t tell me I have to allow it where I live.
Keep your precious Yankee dollars. We don’t need your money to buy stop signs. We’ll build our own thank you, and we’ll include a brand new sign as well, one which will be placed at our states’ borders and which will be directed at people like you and which will say, “KEEP OUT!”
Don’t like the 10 commandments? Fine - you can stick up a picture of a golden calf in your statehouse or a picture of Donald Duck or a picture of Paris Hilton for all I care. Just don’t tell me what I may or may not put up in my statehouse.
Don’t like our Confederate flags? No one says you have to like them. You don’t live here so it should, in theory at least, be none of your concern. While it always seems that folks like you feel compelled to order Southerners not to fly their Confederate flags, I have yet to hear of any Southerners telling "northeast liberal elites" to take down that statue of the greatest barn burner in history (General Sherman) from Union Square. And given the difference in temperaments between the two peoples, I don’t expect that I will be seeing the latter any time soon either.
Don’t lecture us about the Constitution. We are quite fond of it and its amendments, or at least the amendments that were written by the Founding Fathers. The first amendment, for example, is what keeps us free and you won’t find many people in red states advocating for the scrapping of it or for government control of free speech. You will find that sort of crap however, emanating from the blue states, from, yes, those “northeast liberal elites” who are simply too dense to realize that tyranny cannot ever exist in a place where freedom of speech is a jealously guarded right. And yes, we are even willing to tolerate the verbal diarrhea of those like you in order to protect that right and to remain free. We also believe strongly in the 10th amendment. Go look it up and see if your petty little mind can comprehend what it says. And we also believe that the Constitution is to be taken literally. This belief differs markedly from the interpretation of “northeast liberal elites” who seem to feel that it is a “living breathing document,” which can be interpreted any which way that suits them at whatever time.
And don’t lecture us about the American Revolution and about how you founded this country. If we had left it all to you guys, we’d all be drinking tea and gulping down crumpets today. And Jamestown Virginia, for your information, preceded Plymouth by 13 years - go read a history book. And oh, let me give you two words to ponder in regards to the Revolution, “George Washington.” (He happened to be from Virginia, by the way). So by all means, keep your Plymouth Rock. You can fasten it to a chain, wrap it around your neck and hurl yourself into Nantucket Sound for all we care. We’ve got enough of our own history to keep us busy.
“We should have let them go when they wanted to leave”? Yes, you should have. But it simply isn’t in your nature. If left alone, you would have no one to lecture, no one to intimidate, no one to bully, no one to badger, no one to look down your noses at, no one to tell how to live their lives, and no one to hurl your 4 letter word insults at. In short, you would wither and die, because those are the things that keep you “northeast liberal elites” going. They are the things which give meaning to your droll little lives and which make you who and what you are. Do you really want to know what the true cause of the Civil War was? Go look in the nearest mirror and you’ll see it staring back at you.
Still want to let us go? It’s not too late. There are, I think, many in the Southern states and in the “red” states in general, who would gladly say “adios” to those of your ilk. Just show us where to sign and it’ll be a done deal.
Um, that's kind of funny, "proudfromsouth." Maybe you should take your own advice first?
Many of the founding fathers were from Virgina and last I checked that was not a New England state.
Fighting for slavery? Are you serious? I'd send this out anonymous too if I was a history illiterate who only knows the "Liberal New England " version of the war. I suppose he knows nothing of the uncosntitutional tariffs and other economic issues that caused the War Between the States.
Since I am a Southerner with some class I can make my points with out using offensive language too!!!!!
It's from "fuckthesouth.com", and I'm willing to bet that at this point, no-one knows who the actual author is. Thus, it's attributed to anonymous.
He's absolutely 100% correct about the red states getting handouts while they bitch about the blue states getting them - while all the time, the blue states are the ones paying the freight though.
Odd that the editor's email address is on top. Maybe he wrote it? In any case, I seriously doubt that this is a one shot deal by some unknown author. Judging from the number of articles, it appears that someone is going under a pen name. No matter.
Talk to the folks in the red state about those "freight" charges. Chances are, if you'd agree to leave them alone, they'd happily give you back any money you've already forked over, and, with interest.
Next, We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Reread that over and over and over again, until the message sinks in.
Liberals need to be more aggressive against these hateful, paranoid, christian-hypocrite, jingoistic, arrogant, teabagger-friendly right wingers, like this writer
How do you folks survive through all that racism, corruption and bass-ackward ignorance?
And no, I'm not being flippant. I went through basic military training in Orlando, Florida, and technical school in Meridian, Mississippi, where the KKK, 25 years after the Civil Rights Movement, proudly marched through fields, forests, and everybody's backyards.
And after the four months of my rigorous training was up, gracious Southern hospitality or no gracious Southern hospitality, I COULD NOT WAIT TO RETURN TO MY NATIVE PACIFIC NORTHWEST before reporting to my duty station in California.
In my opinion, a lot of lawmaking and beliefs down there were, and still are---just plain sad.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
That said, this rant IS RIGHT-THE-FUCK-ON! I live in the South because I love the weather and I stay to the big cities because the red-state rednecks scare the shit out of me. I consider leaving all the time, but there are some bonuses to living here... just can't think of any besides the weather right now.
I'm reposting this for my friends.
Then, those statistics came out which are still basically accurate. Red States do tend to take more federal dollars and have higher divorce rates. But hey, they are the REAL Americans!
Ooooh, and you said you were going to come kick my ass if I said Its my money, not the governments. Well, I diddnt say it, but I typed it. And I would say it to your face and you can try and kick my ass, Mr. All talk. But I doubt you will do it. All the times in my life I have gotten told I was gunna get my ass kicked, it never happened. My e-mail address is firstname.lastname@example.org
If you want to arrange time and date for you to come to Chicago to try and kick my ass. Right before Ill tell you that its my money and not the governments. LOL, I diddnt see your government at my job today doing my job. I saw me there. I dripped sweat, not ur government. It was my balls that were sweating, not theirs. Yes, Its mine.
Lincoln went to war specifically to preserve the union. That was his one goal at the start of the war. He only gave a shit about slaves later on, when it becamse clear that he needed to give the public a reason to keep supporting the war.
What does all this mean? It means that 1) if you are saying that slavery didn't have anything to do with the Civil War, then you are wrong, and 2) if you are saying that the Civil War was all about slavery, then you are wrong as well. There are many factors that went into the war and if you are generalizing either side then you're probably ignorant. Or a twat. 'Grats.
More food for thought: It wasn't until roughly the early-middle part of the 20th century that our nation's political map looked the way that it does now; most red states were blue and vice-versa. This was especially true in the South, where basically every state south of the mason-dixon was run by Democrats. I'm not too clear on the causes of this flip; Zinn glossed over it in People's History, which probably means it was inconvenient to his narrative.
@4: I'm going to have to throw up the bullshit flag on that one. If I understand that post correctly, you are saying that you suffered discrimination because you are southern and in the military; the military is QUANTIFIABLY the most trusted institution in this country right now and has been for at least fifteen years. Furthermore, if you suffered any discrimination from being southern, it most definitely was not from the military itself, because the military is laughably pro-South. So, basically, you must have been doing it wrong.
A word on northern hate for the south: They probably wouldn't get hated on so much if the south wasn't represented by a bunch of racist, idiotic and unfaithful politicians.
Calling Abraham Lincoln a Fascist is profoundly stupid. At no point has it ever been a right of the states to secede from the union. As for slavery being a right, fine, it probably was. I'll give you that. However, I'd like to think that if I knew someone who had a legitimate right to do something as ethically repugnant as enslaving someone against their will, I'd put a stop to it as well.
Finally: way to respond to some angry, unwarranted generalizations with more of the same. Rise again, peanut.
A note about slavery and scapegoating the South: Much of the world in the 17th 18th & 19th centuries and before, was tainted by slavery, including Africans who sold their own people. New York leaders were against the Civil War because there were so many who were profiting from the slave trade. In fact Mayor Fernando Wood proposed that Manhattan become an independent island nation, its cotton trade intact. Because these people have had so much wealth, they have managed to whitewash their ugly involvement while scapegoating Southerners who often were mostly hardworking poor farmers (2/3's of Southerners in South did not own slaves), who could not defend themselves as being less culpable than the rich Northerners.
Among the slave profiteers who have hidden how they acquired their wealth and power carried into present day: Tiffany, J. P. Morgan, Lehman Brothers, et al, the usual culprits, note J.P.M. & Lehman Bros.' involvement in the recent economic debacle. The leading slave trading family in the U.S. was the DeWolf family (over 50 yrs and 3 generation 1769-1820 of Rhode Island)- DeWolf reported to be the wealthiest man in America upon his death in 1837); another was the Brown family also of Rhode Island. This is a breathtaking revelation of the truth about Northern involvement: http://www.tracesofthetrade.org/guides-a…
Re: racism, sexism, etc. In my long life I've seen this throughout America. The more vulnerable we feel, the more we shut down and act ugly, often against our own better angels. We need to find common ground and fight the real enemy, exploiters, and not be exploiters ourselves. The beginning is to work together to conserve so that we can develop our own wealth and independence from the greedy.
There is much to be angry about. There are some very good comments that reveal real history that it appears many are not reading. I add this: Our country was founded on strong influences of the Scottish Enlightenment (origin of the word liberal, so twisted today. Read "How the Scots Invented the Modern World" by Harvard grad, many Southerners from this tradition, but also Northerners.)
A proud Southerner.
Fuck the extremists, on both sides.
""we fucking founded this country"
You didn't do anything, don't take credit for something that was done by others centuries ago. Just like you shouldn't link todays southerner to slavery. This only shows your ignorance, which you seem to have in abundance.
So, take your baby killing, asshole fucking, liberal views and shove them where your boyfriend Bruce likes to lick you.
And one more thing-you are a backwards neanderthal. Why dont you try some honest, decent dialog instead of caveman talk filled with nothing but cussing. Did your education not get any further than the pages of the dictionary that spells out cuss words?
Everybody's judged by their fucked up face