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1. Stem-cell research
2. Lily Ledbetter Act
This shit is getting old, and that argument is just about as terrible as it gets. In fact, it's so bad, in my shred of hope that I have left, perhaps the Obama administration is forwarding an argument that they know will lose?
I am simply hurt and disgusted with this. I hope for the best for this country, but I can no longer be an Obama supporter if this is the position the administration is going to take.
That's putting it mildly. Obama clearly doesn't think that homosexuality is right. If he did, he'd understand that we aren't being treated like people. What does all of this tell our kids? That we're different, and not in a good way. Not good enough to be equal. Great message you're sending, Obama. Way to save money.
Meanwhile, Obama has also sent other great messages involving money. Like he did with the bailouts. Don't worry, big companies. As long as you have a fuckload of employees, those are jobs for 'mericans, and if the product or service you provide is so shitty even retarded 'mericans won't buy it, we'll take care of you. That isn't wasting money at all, and as I said, it's a great message.
I love this. Thanks Obama. I could go on and on and on, but there's no point. All it takes is a podium for people to turn their brains off and drool in your presence. You're so perfect. Such a great, great President. America has more important things to deal with than equality. You can go back to wasting money now. Thank God you saved some here.
Those are very good points Obama raises-
he forgot Polygamy, however.
everybody cherry picks Bible verses and interpretations to suit their own world view
Again, you don't know or understand what The Constitution says, (much like your lack of knowledge and understanding of the Bible) so you really shouldn't comment on such things.
(P.S. Who did Terry "I Told You So" Miller support for President? Unless it was Dennis Kucinich he wasn't getting anyone more progressive that what we got now.)
One thing you can say about the Democrats of today is this, They sure as hell aren't my grandparents Democrats, those Democrats back in the day were liberal and didn't give a fuck what anyone thought about it.
"They have said that the captians of industry have met their match, now let them say they have met their master!" FDR Madison Square Garden October 1936.
Oh and this one.. "My enemies are united in only one thing and that is their hatred of me. And I welcome their hatred!" FDR and I think it was the same speach.
Wake me up when we get real Democrats in positions of power.
At this rate I'll be glad to see him leave office on January 20, 2013. Seriously, this guy is looking more and more like the sterotypical homophobic black man.
(It's going to take a gay president or a vocally and clearly pro-gay-rights president to get over this issue. Dan Savage 2012...???)
It's lame, but the simple fact is that there are more bible-thumping "afeared of the gays" types in this country than actual homosexuals, and he just wants to maximize his time in office before making decisions as divisive as this one, so he's staying mum and letting it ride.
Hmmmm, one has to wonder, though...
gawd- are we ever WHINING!!!!!
You are so precious!
You naive little waif.
(no wonder the boys are able to con you into taking it in the ass)
And now? Oh yeah, let's just stay mum on this, Prezzie, since it's not like having votes challenged in predominantly democratic or minority precincts will harm your chances at re-election.
He's doing a lot of wrong lately.
Ho-hum, welcome to politics.
And there we go. He cooked his goose. Maybe not with America, and despite it's marginality, he cooked it with me. At this point I might as well have voted for a Republican, or tossed my vote out the door with Ron. Obama hasn't done a single thing in office worth praising. And this? This isn't even comparable to spitting in our faces. This is more comparable to chaining us to the back of a truck.
This is blatant homophobia, or at least homo-disgust. Marriage wasn't and isn't founded on procreation. Even if I were a homophobe, I'd still have the brains to admit that marriage's purpose is largely for stability and family support. But we can't have a family, because we're two of the same gender? You nailed it with Loving v. Virginia. How does Obama feel about anti-miscegenation?
America has no direct and respective need for anyone that isn't a white religious heterosexual, or black, albeit they have to share the exact attitude, views, and beliefs of all the whites. That C-c-c-c-c-ombo breaker image has completely lost its shine. Might as well paint Obama white.
This is so fucked.
There's failure to keep promises that a sin level one. Fairly typical for politicians btw and it doesn't mean they hate your guts.
Then there's mild opposition, as in defending an unjust law. Uh hoh that's more like a mortal sin.
Then there's this shit here -- the legal argument about public policy is like saying homosexual marriage is vile and so disgusting it's on a par with selling heroin to minors or recognizing a Saudi marriage of a man to 25 wives or enforcing a marriage contract made by a daddy when the birde was 12 years old to give her in marriage to a 60 year old buddy of the daddy.
If Obama is officially saying gay marriage is so vile and disgusting it's against public policy, that's so strong, it's time to go sit in at the Federal building a really raise a ruckus.
And I normally think marches and stuff like that is a waste of time.
Good luck and KBO.
If you praise, respect, or even try to explain a positive understanding with that thought process, you're condoning it as if it's good. We wanted change, he said he'd bring it, so we expect to see it. We didn't ask for play-around-with-the-idea-of-change until you think it's ready, or make-sure-you-stay-in-office. He got my vote, and he's lost the second one. I'm not voting for some sloth who decides to pick things up when the time comes around to get re-elected. And that's exactly what he'll do. He's all talk. Say a bunch of great shit, get in office, do whatever the fuck he wants. Office term coming close, say a bunch of great shit in commercials, do a thing or two to add some spice and get those votes back, stay in office, do whatever the fuck he wants.
Fuck that. Politics is slow, yes, and that won't change. But this isn't "slow," he isn't doing a fucking thing. The only thing he's been doing is testing my patience, and now it's done. Fuck him, and fuck you too.
How much control - or day-to-day knowledge - of what the DOJ argues does he have? Cause this really, really sucks.
and don't get me started about homosexuals...
Need to take a smoke break now...
And sure, parts of what Obama have been doing is good. Removing the gag rule, trying to shut down gitmo, fixing the economy in a way that only a democrat can. So in the beginning I was very hopeful. But this most recent turn reminds me why I didn't vote for Obama in the primary. My main complaint was the he was "pretty and he talks good" but without enough substance to really prove he would follow his campaign promises. I don't honestly know if Hillary would have been better, but at least with her we knew what we were getting into. With Obama it feels like some cheap hooker who pretends to be an interested girl at a party, then you get them home and they demand 3k.
It feels like we were robbed and our alligence was just thrown in the toilet. Having a 40% progressive agenda isn’t going to cut it. Why can't liberals just fucking man up and have a real agenda? Why can't they just stand the fuck up against the people? The GOP fucks over the people all the time, and the people don't seem to notice. They do things that blatently piss off the left and middle, yet they don't fucking seem to care. Why are liberals left to hold the bag of broken promises? Why are our leaders completely crippled when it comes to our agenda?
My only hope, honestly, is that he is waiting for his 2nd term. Then nothing he does will matter against another term. Obama is a calculating man, so I am trying to figure out his motives here. I am so frustrated. I know that I am not gay, but I am angry.
Americans vote with their pocket books first and foremost. And if people aren't feeling prosperous by early 2012 it's game for Obama.
THAT'S why Obama can't wait for the magic of a second term.
and cato please please quit it with the 'stereotypical homophobic black man' business ...
And fuck him anyways. He is undermining his entire campaign by this. He can't run on change now, what can he run on?
Also, maybe the Log Cabin Republicans aren't so crazy after all. I bet their all like
"well fuck it, we aren't going to get any rights so why do I care if Habaes Corpus is around? Why do I care if women have access to abortions? Why do I care if people die overseas? I just want tax breaks that hurt the poor, because fuck 'em. I aint getting rights, so fuck everyone else."
Makes sense. /shrug
In case you didn't notice, Congress is supposed to enact legislation. Unbelievably, some congresspeople are criticizing Obama for not doing anything about DADT when it's THEIR fucking responsibility. Maybe the real problem is that everyone, even members of Congress, now assume that the president is a dictator and can order anything and everything by fiat.
Obama won't get one.
The Libs are disappointed and dispirited.
And it will get worse.
The Right is secretly gleeful at their good luck but no way going to vote for a Democrat.
Obama is one and done.
So much for 'hope'. The list of things that will not change grows daily - healthcare, the war, illegal spying, DOMA, etc., etc., etc.
Unlike Senator Clinton, I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA)—a position I have held since before arriving in the U.S. Senate. While some say we should repeal only part of the law, I believe we should get rid of that statute altogether. Federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does. I have also called for us to repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and I have worked to improve the Uniting American Families Act so we can afford same-sex couples the same rights and obligations as married couples in our immigration system.
WOW. FUCK THIS.
It's time to march.
Most of his time has been spent battling inertia up to this point, and while a lot of us thought his balls were bigger than they're turning out to be, I think he's too smart to actually believe in DOMA and DADT. If he does make it to his second term, that's when we should hope to see the legislation we'd all like to see.
But Pride is coming and now's the perfect time to stand up for equal rights! It's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.
I am VERY supportive of gay marriage and the repeal of DOMA. That said, before we go too batshit over this particular legal brief, we need to focus on a couple of things:
1. The distinction between congress repealing a statute and a court declaring it unconstitutional. What everyone is not getting here is that DOMA can be BOTH constitutional and bad policy. I would think that if you asked Obama that question, that's what he'd say. Although at one level, it seems inconsistent, it's perfectly intellectually honest for the adminsitration to say to the court "It was within congress' constitutional power to pass this law" while also saying "We want to get this law repealed".
2. The difference between a brief filed by a justice department career lawyer and a high level policy statement from the administration. Dan, you're not helping things by calling this "Obama's brief." Sure, Obama is responsible for everything the administration does. That does not mean that he agrees with every statement made everywhere by every representative of the US government.
We should absolutely hold Obama to his promises regarding gay rights. BUT He never promised to argue that DOMA was unconstitutional. Constitutionality is about the scope of the power of congress. The administration has a duty to defend that scope. Saying the creation of a given policy was within congress power is not the same thing as saying its good policy.
All that said, some of those arguments are offensive, and I would hope that the administration would repudiate them as a matter of policy.
"Federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does."
"I believe we should get rid of that statute altogether."
"Fierce Advocate" my ass.
This is currently in the works, and it doesn't look like something good to me, but I'm just a dumb blonde, not a lawyer. If your Rep. is a cosponsor, I'd be writing a nasty letter right now, if I were you.
Title: To amend title 28, United States Code, to limit Federal court jurisdiction over questions under the Defense of Marriage Act.
Sponsor: Rep Burton, Dan [IN-5] (introduced 3/3/2009) Cosponsors (19)
Latest Major Action: 3/16/2009 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Courts and Competition Policy.
SUMMARY AS OF:
Marriage Protection Act of 2009 - Amends the federal judicial code to deny federal courts jurisdiction to hear or decide any question pertaining to the interpretation of, or the validity under the Constitution, of the provision of the Defense of Marriage Act declaring that no state shall be required to give effect to any marriage between persons of the same sex under the laws of any other state.
What a bitch. And no wonder you have to go outside of your relationship for sex, as you've described.
Get outraged, by all means, about the fact that there has been little or no action taken toward the repeal of DOMA. This brief is not something to get outraged over.
The first part, quoted by Dan above, is an argument about a possible "rational basis" for the statute. A rational basis is all that congress needs to pass most statutes. This is an INCREDIBLY easy standard to pass. Here's what the Supreme Court has most recently said about the standard:
"[The government], moreover, has no obligation to produce evidence to sustain the
rationality of a statutory classification. A legislative choice is not subject to
courtroom factfinding and may be based on rational speculation unsupported by
evidence or empirical data. [T]he burden is on the one attacking the legislative
arrangement to negative every conceivable basis which might support it, whether or
not the basis has a foundation in the record. Finally, courts are compelled under
rational-basis review to accept a legislature's generalizations even when there is an
imperfect fit between means and ends."
This is a very, very low standard.
Further, the government's brief goes on, right after the part Dan quoted to say:
"Indeed, under rational basis scrutiny, Congress is entitled to respond to new social phenomena one step at a time, and to adjust national policy incrementally. DOMA reflects just such a response. It adopts on the national level, and permits on the state level, a wait-and-see approach to new forms of marriage. DOMA thus maximizes democratic flexibility under our federalist scheme, by simply preventing some States from requiring other States and the federal government to grant benefits to forms of marriages that, under their own constitutions, state or federal governments are not obligated to recognize. Because it is rationally related to legitimate governmental interests, plaintiffs cannot overcome the "presumption of constitutionality" that DOMA, like all federal statutes, enjoys. See, e.g., Califano v. Gautier Torres, 435 U.S. 1, 5, 98 S. Ct. 906, 55 L.Ed.2d 65 (1978)."
The part quoted (and ridiculed) by Dan was not an argument that DOMA is good policy for the reasons stated. Just that congress was within it's powers to make that (potentially quite bad) policy.
Dan, I read the whole brief. Nowhere does it analogize gay marriage to "child rape and incest." That's sensationalist and an unfair characterization.
Again - get mad by all means! Barbara @59 has the right idea. Write to your congresspeople to get them to introduce legislation to repeal DOMA. Write to Obama to get him to support it. Don't take this brief as more than it is - a dry legal argument far afield from the discussion of what is or isn't good policy.
When is that march on Washington, again?
The Stranger should have a fundraiser to create a Slogger Scholarship Fund to send broke-azz queers to DC for the event.
White House Comment Line: 202-456-1111
DOJ Switchboard (ask for Office of Public Liaison): 202-514-2000
These people work are responsible to the citizens of this country...We need to make them aware of our disappointment.
I just read this week that Washington state doesn't recognize marriages between anyone related closer than a second cousin. I never thought about that angle the DOJ used in defending DOMA. Wow.
Also, I find it odd that Obama's father, Barack Sr. was technically a polygamist when he married Barack Jr.'s mother Stanley Ann Dunham. Barack's father had a wife in Kenya at the time. She is currently living in England. Bit of irony there.
Technically, you know, his promise to get DOMA "repealed" has nothing to do with challenging its constitutionality in court, so he hasn't really reneged on any commitment he made.
Welcome to the world of Obamian nuance.
There's plenty to be mad at here, folks, but that's not it. @62 is right. The question before the court is whether DOMA is constitutional, not whether it's good or right. Under current precedent, it is constitutional. The Supreme Court would need to recognize equal protection claims based on sexual orientation--something they've never done before--for DOMA to be ruled unconstitutional
So, what are we all gonna DO about it? Are we writing our representatives, calling above # for the White House comment line (read #68), trying to do the comment form @ Whitehouse.gov? I just tried to submit a long letter, the auto-mailer wasn't working. Guess snailmail & phone calls will have to do.
Wanna have an impact? Take the 2 seconds it takes you to craft something witty, snarky, idiotic or pithy to say HERE, & submit it to someone who can do something. & your local paper, letter to the editor. Some people still read 'em: lots of older people, the kind that vote. Do something. In Email form it's as easy as slogging.
*hops off soapbox* Sorry. Angry. I mean, a Bush staffer wrote it..everything old is new again. This feels eerily similar to what it felt like when the Clintons were first elected..we wondered what they were doing about gay rights..remember?
He upheld it because, technically, it's the letter of the law and challenging it will take a lot of effort and may not result in much of a reward. By upholding it, he can also prevent the right from building up enough political groundswell to oust the Dems from Congress in 2010, and if they can get Sotomayor on the bench, then things will be a in a better place to strike it down for good.
Obama's political scheme is to level the playing field economically i.e. to rob from the "haves" to give to favored groups that include the "have-nots". More important, Obama wants a nation of economically dependent serfs. African-American religious "pastors" rarely fight for gay rights. Obama sat spellbound in the Church of Rev. Wright for twenty years. He studied Rev. Wright' ability to "win over" the congregation. Obama applied those techniques to political campaigns. (Politicians in Iran report borrowing from Obama's campaign playbook; they should research the Rev.wright playbook to find the political green-leaf clovers that Iran needs...) Obama robbed the Annenberg trust while "serving" as Chairman and dispersed Walter and Leonore's money - the "mother's milk of politics" - around Chicago. He wrapped himself up with domestic terrorists' and corrupt politicians who prefer to call you MOTHERF----- rather than brother. Obama is a fake. Obama does not deserve the Presidency of the United states of America.