What should you do if a police officer stops you on the street on your way home from a bar or club and demands to know where youâve been drinking?
Donât tell them.
We wanted to tell you to lieâto tell them you had beers at home, or to say you were drinking in a bar that no longer exists, like Manray, Kincora, or Sugarâbut that would be illegal. Deliberately lying to a police officer is false reporting, and thatâs a crime, so you shouldnât do it. We would be technically obstructing justice if we told you to lie, which is why weâre not telling you to lie.
But you donât have to answer the question, and you shouldnât answer the question.
Earlier this month, the office of City Attorney Tom Carr warned Capitol Hill bar owners that police will approach apparently intoxicated pedestrians, ask them where theyâve been drinking, and try to shut down any bars they name. Many bar owners claim that menacing police patrols have already begun and that Carrâs latest crackdown appears to be politically motivated.
Bar and club owners have united to oust Carrâwho is up for reelection after eight year in officeâbecause Carr has protested liquor licenses, imposed onerous restrictions on upstanding businesses, and, most infamously, was a leading force in an aggressive 2007 anti-nightlife sting called Operation Sobering Thought. A campaign of organized harassment that cost the city tens of thousands of dollars, Operation Sobering Thought resulted in zero convictions and sparked an avalanche of bad press for Carrâs office.
Walking past the bars that line Pike and Pine streets, you canât miss the campaign signs for Carrâs challenger, Pete Holmes. A police-accountability advocate, Holmes is an attorney who has practiced in Seattle for 24 years. Neumos on 10th Avenue and Pike Street has two billboard-sized banners for Holmes. Havana, across the street, held a benefit for Holmes this month, and so did the Crocodile in Belltown.
On October 6, about 40 bar and club owners attended a meeting in the Seattle Police Departmentâs East Precinct headquarters. The monthly meetings, which have a history of constructive dialogue with law enforcement, have served as a monthly check-in to collaborate on ways to keep the nightlife scene safe. But this meeting was different.
Tienney Milnor is the East Precinct city attorney liaison for Carrâs office. According to numerous people who attended the meeting, Milnor accused the bars of being responsible for a rising trend of assaults and robberies on Capitol Hill. People are being overserved, she reportedly said, and then assaulting and robbing people when they leave the bars. Carr, reached by phone after the meeting, repeated Milnorâs claim that there is a problem with overservice and associated violence near the clubs on Capitol Hill. âI believe bars that serve alcohol and push people out on the street who are intoxicated bear some responsibility for what those people do, especially in circumstances of overservice,â he said.
At the meeting, Milnor warned that police will begin patrolling the streets of Capitol Hill looking for visibly intoxicated people, asking where theyâve been drinking, and keeping tabs on those bars. (Remember: If you are approached, donât answer.) The city would be working with the Washington State Liquor Control Board to issue citations, take away licenses, and shut down any bars that were named.
âShe said it three or four different times that⌠we would lose our licenses,â says Mike Meckling, owner of Neumos and Moe Bar, who attended the meeting. âWe havenât had problems with overservice, we havenât been cited for anything.â
The pitch of Milnorâs tirade then sharpened, according to Meckling and nearly a dozen other people who attended the meeting.
âThe next thing she said that blew people away is how angry she would be if she were prosecuting some guy that had shot his wife after getting drunk in one of our bars,â says Meckling, who is also president of the Seattle Nightlife and Music Association. âAt one point, she called for a raise of hands for who wanted their licenses taken away,â Meckling says. âItâs like, could this be more patronizing?â
âThey were looking at us like we are not legitimate, above-the-board businesses,â says Jeff Ofelt, a co-owner of the Cha Cha and Kingâs Hardware, âlike weâre doing something criminal.â He also confirms Milnorâs threat: âIf there was a fight a mile away, they were going to trace it back to the bar they were drinking at, which seems absurd.â
Ofelt is right. It is absurd to link bars to a spike in assaults and robberies on Capitol Hill, because assaults and robberies on Capitol Hill arenât rising.
Theyâre going down.
Crime statistics from the Seattle Police Department, which track crimes monthly and are broken down by police beat, disprove the claims being made by Carrâs office. Comparing the most recent three-month period for which data is availableâMay through July of 2009âto the same three-month period last year shows no spike in assaults or robberies. In the three beats that include the Pike/Pine corridor and much of Capitol Hill and First Hillâwithin roughly a mile of all the bars in questionâassaults dropped from 121 in 2008 to 119 in 2009. Robberies dropped from 23 to 21. Assaults and robberies are down or flat across all of Capitol Hill. Those arenât significant declines, but they demonstrate the claims being made by Carrâs office are false.
When specifically asked where their figures are coming from, Milnor said, âThis is just a general overview of what officers are seeing⌠I donât have the exact dates.â
âSheâs in the fucking city attorneyâs office making policy in the East Precinct, and she doesnât know the crime stats that sheâs basing policy on?â says David Meinert, a nightlife advocate and producer of the Capitol Hill Block Party.
To find out what the police might be âseeing,â I called the SPD four times and asked for any accounts of overservice being linked to violent crime near the bars and clubs on Capitol Hill. The first officer I spoke to told me that the crime statistics I had were the only reliable data. (âThose are the facts.â) When asked if there was any anecdotal evidence of crime related to these barsâanything that would support Carr and Milnorâs claimsâthe officer told me that âanecdotes are inconclusive.â Each time I called police, I asked to speak to an officer in the East Precinct familiar with bar-related violence. Each time, officers said they would call back. In five days, no officers returned calls with alternative crime data or information about crime on Capitol Hill.
Milnor insists that the bar owners who attended the meeting are collectively experiencing âconfusionâ about her remarks. After Meckling sent a sharply worded e-mail to the mayorâs office, Milnor sent out an e-mail clarifying her position. âThe city and specifically the East Precinct has not made any policy changes regarding the drinking establishments,â she wrote. But she cited a rise in assaults and robberies in her e-mail, the supposed âspikeâ that remains uncorroborated by data or the SPD. She also said that, in addition to concerns of drunk people perpetrating offenses, drunk people can be targeted for crime because they are incapacitated. Carr said that her âclarificationâ was intended to âmake it absolutely clear that we want people to not overserve, to check IDs, and to not do anything that theyâre not supposed to do. Itâs not in anybodyâs interest to have violence up on Capitol Hill.â
Milnor confirmed in her conversation with me that officers will be stopping and questioning visibly intoxicated people. Officers will ask, says Milnor, âWhere have you been? Where are you going?â (Once again: You donât have to answer those questions.)
âTo assume that the drunk person even knows what youâre asking themâif theyâre so drunkâis a bad assumption,â argues Meinert. âIf Iâm drinking at Joeâs Bar, and I leave and get stopped by the police and they ask me where I have been drinking, Iâm probably not going to tell them Joeâs Bar,â he adds. âBecause I like Joeâs Bar. Instead, Iâm going to tell them I was somewhere elseâmaybe a bar I donât like.â
As for her threats to shut down bars, Milnor says no new sting is under way. âItâs a matter of understanding what the ramifications are, but I donât think I really went into that. I said we donât want to have to cite people.â
But since the meeting with Milnor, police officers have been harassing bars on Capitol Hill, according to witnesses. âIâve always had nothing but a great experience with [the SPD] until this last couple weeks,â says one bar owner, who asked not to be named for fear of retribution. âWe were right at capacity on a weekend night. Two officers came in. They were making threats about calling other city department heads to come in.â The bar owner says he hadnât exceeded capacity limits. But he was concerned that âconstant harassmentâ would lead him to âshut down,â he says. âThey make it hard enough [to run a nightclub] as it is, to make it harder seems impossible.â
âThere have been increased visits in the last week since the meeting at the East Precinct,â says another bar owner, who also asked to remain anonymous. âMore importantly, the tone of the visits has changed. They are more menacing and more confrontational. And this all coincides with the nightlife communityâs support of Pete Holmes.â
Bar owners are rightly concerned about a nightlife crackdown tainted by political overtones. In 2007, Carr and the Seattle Police Department conducted Operation Sobering Thought one week before the city council was set to vote on strict new legislation to regulate nightclubs. Police claimed that two dozen people either illegally served minors or let undercover officers who didnât have valid ID into bars. But the campaign was widely considered overzealous and sloppy. Among the follies, police jailed a bar employee for 11 hours, allegedly for serving a drink to a drunk manâwhich would be considered overserviceâbut the Seattle Times wrote that the police report indicates that the bartender âpoured him a glass of water.â Carr charged the bartenders and doormen who were arrested with gross misdemeanors, punishable by a year in jail, but not a single case resulted in a conviction.
After Operation Sobering Thought was slammed in the press, Mayor Greg Nickels opened a dialogue between city hall and club owners. Carr offered plea agreements for lesser charges to 17 of the defendants, most of whom had no criminal history, Carr says. For nearly a year, police have been polite, say club owners, and meetings at the East Precinct headquarters have been constructive and cordial. But the tone shifted after Nickels lost the primary election.
âThis is Tom Carrâs office being vindictive about nightlife,â says Meinert. âIt looks like a political calculation. At the beginning of this race, Carr tried to reach out to the music community and get our support. People pretty much said, hands down, we donât trust himâwe need to get someone new in there.â
For his part, Carr insists bar owners are targeting him.
âHow many people have you heard from?â Carr asked, when I told him that numerous bar owners were disconcerted by the threats made by Milnor. âAnd how many [of those people] have had fundraisers for my opponent?â
Carr says he wouldnât launch a politically motivated campaign against the clubs because they are campaigning for his opponent.
âWhy would I want to stir this pot right now?â Carr asks. âThat makes no sense whatsoever.â
Hereâs what makes no sense: Carrâs office claims, with no data to back it up (the data, again, contradicts Carrâs office), that thereâs a growing problem with overservice in bars and clubs, leading to violence. But one week before the East Precinct meeting where Milnor threatened the club owners, Carr defended Operation Sobering Thought to the Stranger Election Control Board by claiming the effort had led to a lasting decrease in overservice and alcohol-related violence. âThe success that I measured was things calmed down,â Carr said in September. Just last week, when discussing Operation Sobering Thought, Carr said, âMaybe checking the IDs, doing a better job of [avoiding] overservice, and searching for weapons has limited some of the problems, which is what we were hoping for.â
It also made no sense for Carr and the SPD to launch Operation Sobering Thought right before the city council was to vote on nightlife legislation in 2007. The sting effectively sabotaged the billâNickels vetoed it under rising pressure from the media and nightlife advocates that the sting was a political ploy.
Is this another terribly timed political stunt?
âThe rationale for this thing sounds entirety manufactured,â says David Osgood, a criminal-defense attorney who defended several bar employees arrested and charged in Operation Sobering Thought. âWhen it smells fishy, youâve got to look for the rot. Why are they doing it? Why now? The music and nightlife community, the bar owners, are all supporting Pete Holmes. Tom Carr takes things personally. He is a very vindictive person and a very reactionary person. This is his way of telling Pete Holmes supporters no more Mr. Nice Guy.â
Win reelection or lose, Carrâs latest efforts to go after the clubs could have serious consequencesâfor Carr.
âIf we receive a complaint that Tom Carr is using city offices or facilities to assist his campaign, there would be penalties if we found a violation,â says Wayne Barnett, executive director of the Seattle Ethics and Elections Commission.
Arguably, a crackdown on clubs now, in the weeks before the election, would do more damage to Carrâs chances. So whatâs really going on?
At a forum hosted by the West Seattle Democratic Women in late September, Carr revealed that his father, an alcoholic, died of an alcohol-related accident when Carr was 14 years old. âI donât talk about this much,â he said. âWhen I was a kid, police would come to my house a lot. Back then, police would show up and just tell my dad to quiet down.â Carr is notoriously vindictive in political circles, has a reputation for taking things personally, and is quick to become agitated. Carrâs dislike for alcohol combined with what he may perceive as a personal rejection by the bar ownersâmade worse by their embrace of his opponentâmay have set him off.
Another theory: Carr has always had it in for these bars, as is evident from his track record, but Nickels reined him in, particularly after the deluge of bad press following Operation Sobering Thought. After Nickels lost in the primary electionâgiving up any meaningful power he had over the city attorneyâs officeâCarr was free to launch a fresh crusade against the bars. The meeting on October 6 was the first after Nickels lost. Carr may see this time as a window to whack the bars before the next mayor takes office. If Carr fears he will lose the November election to Holmes, this may be his last chance to punish the bar owners for opposing him.
Lastly, perhaps Milnor was a loose cannon and Carr had nothing to do with her crazy rant, right before the election, ripping the scab off an embarrassing wound. Now Milnor and Carr are back-stepping to protect against the potential fallout. But this third theory doesnât hold water. Milnor stands by her assertions of rising crime, and Carr stands by Milnor. Milnor says she and Carr talked before the meeting but didnât discuss specific plans. On the topic of bars and nightlife, she says, they discussed âcity laws and ordinance and we talked about creative solutions, proactive solutionsâ to dealing with bars. In other words, Carr knows what Milnor is doing, and theyâre looking for âcreative solutionsâ for dealing with bars. Osgood says, ââCreative solutionâ is another code word for harassment.â
Carr may get his revenge.
âIf I had to go through what we went through before, I would sell my business without a doubt,â says Meckling. He claims that Neumos and Moe Bar have always vigilantly checked identification and refused service to anyone who is visibly intoxicated. He says, if he sells, âThen the city can deal with an irresponsible owner running a 700-person live-music venue and see how that affects the neighborhood.â
Meinert doesnât think Meckling is making an idle threat.
âWhen you work in the music business, your profit margins are pretty slim, you are doing it more out of passion than profit,â says Meinert. âWhen you then are being harassed on top of that by the city, you have more incentive to just do something else.â
Carr opponent Holmes grasps the value of bars and clubs. âThey are going to be a key part of the cityâs economic recovery, as a tourist city and a city of music,â Holmes says. âThey need to be encouraged, not repressed.â
In 2008, the 2,000 businesses in Seattleâs music and nightlife industry created over 11,000 jobs and generated $90 million in local and state taxes. The industry, says Meinert, âemploys thousands of people, it pays taxes, and itâs an economic engine.â
âIn my mind, Operation Sobering Thought was a mistake,â Holmes says. âIt would be refreshing if Tom Carr would just admit that it was a mistake.â Holmes adds that the state liquor board has jurisdiction of overservice in a bar and is the âmost appropriateâ entity to deal with overservice problemsâif they exist. âCoercion is something that has to be used sparingly.â
âIf you are a fan of nightlife, there is no reason for you to vote for Tom Carr,â says Quentin Ertel, owner of Havana on Pike Street. âYou have every reason to vote for Pete Holmes.â
This article has been updated since its original publication.