@100, it's been mentioned above, but to make it perhaps more clear, it depends on the kid. Trans people have different experiences. Some of them *know* they have "the wrong body" from an early age, and the need to be the right gender is very strong. Others don't have such an understanding until quite a bit later. So, trying to suggest one resolution for what a teen should be allowed to do or decide seems to me to be unworkable. I can imagine that some trans kids really will need gender reassignment, while others can hold off with the help of hormone blockers and other therapy. What all of them do need is knowledgeable medical providers and caring, involved parents.

@103: Oh, it's always the right body, because it's the only one you get to have. It's that your body interface is incompatible with the way your mind maps it all out.

Not to be tedious, but this is a much clearer, cogent way of explaining the idea to cissexual people who are still trying to sympathize the life experience that needs no explanation when you're transsexual.

Also, one's gender is consistent. That's why the body interface thing is all fucked up for a transsexual teen who's trying to determine out how to take ownership over their body and life.

Hey, look, Telsa. I've been living on Capitol Hill (the real one, in Denver, that your "Capitol Hill (without s capitol) was modeled upon) for 35 years.

I'm no stranger to just about every queer variant known to man. I don't have a problem with it. Really. Couldn't have spent this much time in this neighborhood if I did.

But it seems you do have a problem. Excuse me if I don't understand why. Excuse me if I don't want to understand why, but at least I'm trying more than some people.

I'll tell you one thing, though: The more you throw around words like "miads" and "cisexual," the less strong your case gets.

101: Okay, I'll bite. I like to think that I'm pretty well-informed on trans issues and terminology, but: "miads"? I'm inferring that this is shorthand for well-to-do older MTFs (and maybe a play on "old maids"?), but damned if I can turn up a working definition via google, even after (shock) clicking down past the first 10 results through several searches.

So lacking 5280's army of research assistants, I'll break down and ask: what's a miad?

Miad link was provided up above, I think, though I have not checked it yet from work.

"Army." You crack me up. It's three guys.

Hey, the original is the original, be it Denver or D.C. I'll back you on this. I was never originally from the Seattle one, nor do I live in western WA any longer, so it's not that big a deal for me.

Cissexual and miad are words that — for me, at least — work for sake of clarity. Writer Julia Serano gets credit for the first. Miad is slang I've heard in various circles for a few years. I have no idea where it came from, but it works for me.

As far as trying to convince a case, I'm not. What I am doing is just speaking from the hip on my life experiences and what I know well. It's up to you or anyone to make of it what you will — even including total "whatever".

ah, I missed the urbandictionary link: miad= "man in a dress." Gotcha.

(But wouldn't the proper pluralization be "mids"?)

@110:

Which is highly a highly derogatory term . . . You see TG sits atop the trans hierarchy. . . with her sparkly tiara N' and made-up words N' all. . . well because she says so. . .

Every sect of life has their version of tea-bagger.

@101

Yeah that's all lovely. You still didn't answer my question:

How old + how pretty + how disenfranchised do I have to be to make your "good tranny" (i.e. "non-cissexual" woman) list?

and let's not start comparing anatomy, shall we. . . since um. . . I'll bet your uterus looks as great as mine.

Which, there are plenty of "women raised female" will remind us of.

@101:

And remember, Your BFF Julia Serano (who is cool and groovy) transitioned in her late twenties. . . after school and married. . .

So. . . um. . . does that make her a "maid" + "guy in a dress" too?

@115:

heh. heh. Let me guess your motivation:

repressed crossdresser, right? No wait... You just underdress, right?

Don't worry dude, with some therapy you can overcome your internalized transphobia.

@105

miad and cissexual - agreed. They're words that are not meant to be used outside of activist circles and in the case of the 'cis' stuff... (there is also cisgender) academic speak. The words were coined by Julia serano, who is trained as a biologist. So for her to create words like that isn't so unusual.

Some regular trans peeps picked it up to throw back at non trans peeps, as code for - you don't get us and we were given this big word like 'transgender'... So we're gonna' give you a big word to label you with instead of the word 'normal.'

It's all quite mad. There are trans peeps. There are non-trans peeps. No more big words are required.

@115 it's also pretty telling that you, an alleged doctor, are commenting anonymously while slinging accusations of mental illness around towards people with whom you have no diagnostic relationship on some random internet messageboard. Want to put your actual name and board certification behind that? I'm as cis-gendered as they come, and I'd calling you a jackass if you did that to me. Actually, I'm calling you a jackass anyway, because you're acting like one. Climb down off your damn cross, we need the wood for the fire.

@115: You're missing the root cause of gender confusion or uncertainty. One's sexual orientation and gender identity is determined very early on as a function of brain chemistry. Homosexuals, bisexuals, and people who identify as a gender other than their biological one tend to have brain chemistry in certain parts of the brain that is skewed towards patterns more typical of the opposite gender. It's not bad or aberrational, it's just atypical. The major thing to remember is that modern medicine still has yet to come up with a way to change one's orientation or identity. The only sensible thing to do is to let people be the gender that they feel they are. It's one of those liberties that we enjoy, despite the efforts of the religious right.

As a doctor, if you are one, you should recognize the precept "Do no harm". If you have a choice between performing gender reassignment surgery or potentially driving a patient to suicide over the internal confusion they feel, which would YOU do?

As an aside, I'll note that while I'm usually pretty down on coining neologisms for political talking point purposes, 'cis-gendered' is actually a pretty cute one: it's an antonym for "transgendered" that uses the "cis-" (from the latin word meaning "on the same side") prefix in the same manner as cis-trans isomerism in chemistry. As political neologisms go, it beats the fuck out of "womyn".

@115 Transsexual woman here. Very stable, delightful company to all, no sign of mental illness. You wouldn't know I was trans unless I told you. I also have a really good job, lots of friends, and a loving family. I have no interest in insulting you, but I would suggest you examine your prejudices and consider the source of them.

There are many, many people like me in the world. More than you know. We've always been here, and we always will be. I personally feel fortunate to be living in a time and place where many more people seem to be eager to help, care for, befriend, and love trans people than are bent on "curing", shunning, or killing us.

Every time (literally) anyone makes any mention of trans people on any blog anywhere on the web, someone feels compelled to tell the world how sick and twisted and horrible we are. But more and more each day, good people are speaking out in support of understanding and appreciation. Thank you everyone who has done so today! It feels great to be in your company.

@115: The entire recurrence with humanity, with humans on this planet, is "to seek to change their environment." So reserving that observation for specific people (and using this as some rubric for deviance) is a poor argument when every human ever walked the planet with the faculty of technology — from making fire and stone tools onward — have sought to change their environment.

Don't even bother trying again. You're inept. You're also still an Irresponsible Cock. You earn this response because everything you have stumbled out to say in this thread is inept, stupid, and cowardly. You've been called out for it, and now you're merely quite boring. You earn nothing more from me, because you need to starve.

A threat you're not. A wanker you are.

@112: That you refer to a hierarchy is exactly the way you and others like to see this. There is no hierarchy. There is our life experience, and it is different from yours. The problem is when these heterogeneous experiences are forced into a messy, unitary clump by transgender activists who have an entire battery of socialized experiences which transsexual people who took ownership over their lives at a different, younger age generally never do.

You're missing it: age isn't the marker. Socialization is. An interesting thing from an essay by theologian James P. Carse made me think about this persistent disconnect of comprehension. In it, he raises how titles are that which people earn with experience. I thought about it and realized that "titles", and even the ineffable disagreement that you and I have manifest on SLOG — where words like "miad" and "transgender" cannot entirely describe this situation (though for now remains the closest thing for articulating this) — are the crux of a disconnect between the you and I (in the Victorian sense, not you or me exclusively): "Titles are abstractions . . . Titles, then point backward in time. They have their origin in an unrepeatable past" (Finite and Infinite Games: A Vision of Life As Play and Possibility, 1987, p. 27).

In other words, the life experience that one has by coming out after certain "titled" experiences — like scholarship, items one can list on a c.v., a marriage licence, etc. — are reflections of that which have been done, cannot be done, and mark the milestones which have been crossed in one's own life.

What this always comes back to, trans i am, is that when you're someone who took ownership over their life before any of these experiences have or can ever happen, these experiences are invariably guided down a different trajectory. And even taking ownership over one's life when one is transsexual is a title of sorts manifest institutionally though legal and medical markers (whether overtly or obliquely). Ordering and timing do matter, because they inform the different life experiences to follow.

I don't consider the life experiences of a forty-year old male-to-female transgender in of itself as problematic, much to your probable surprise. I feel that if that's something which works for that person, then all the best for them to take stewardship over themselves. On prima facie — first face — I support them completely.

The intractable problem that always comes up is the very moment when diminutive, insulting comments — like "you're so pretty because you're young and lucky" — get dropped in like socializing bombs, or when human rights discussions conveniently omit the specific life experiences of younger transsexual people in their push for recognition and equality. It is that behaviour which suggests that one part is somehow superior than another, and that behaviour which annoys the crap out of me and my peer group. Not everyone who comes out young is some sort of Barbie doll as you make us out to be, and to suggest that youth equates to beauty — a value raised to a high standard by others — is so entirely laced with sexism and even a little bit of internalized misogyny.

So until there's a much better way to explain this in short, crisp words that everyone grasps regardless where they come from in life, things like "miad" and the like sloppily have to do. A putative "man-in-a-dress" visually encapsulates — even if crudely — a compilation of those past titles earned, including that of reaching manhood. For someone who takes ownership at 15 (like the subject of this original article from Spain) or 18, there was no manhood, ever. There was no "When I was still presenting as a man," because it never happened. And there is, save for adoption, no "my daughter or my son," because we never put ourselves into the chain of procreation — one touchstone of many for womanhood and manhood — by becoming reproductive progenitors (parents) for those to follow.

I can certainly tell you there is no hierarchy of our own making from where I live out life. That's all the doings of others who resent us. They shouldn't resent us. We have our own obstacles to confront, and resenting us merely trivializes those very real obstacles.

Oh, and postscript: Julia Serano is no angel, and I don't let her off the hook for earning that Ph.D. of hers and marriage while still presenting as a cissexual man. Those are, like Carse said, titles of the past that cannot be undone or discounted. There are a few things that she does get, though, and perhaps she cusps just enough between your life experience and mine — again, in the Victorian sense — that now and again she says something that actually makes sense. That might be her strongest asset as a critical thinker on being non-cissexual.

Thalia, so eloquently said. Thank you! :)

In Loving Memory of Mark Allen Beliel (1960-1980; suicide), who never got to be herself.

@ 90 - Hey!

How did I get dragged into this conversation, Herr Doctor?

@123:

Again. . . um, well said.

Jeebus, TG, I don't think we're in disagreement. What gives?

What perplexes me is your assumptions about me and insistence on "keeping it real" by dismissing others (my) experiences. People friggin' just deal the hand they were dealt.

Hey maybe I'm ignorant, since I generally steer clear of trans circles (becuase of shit like this) and just get on with life. This does not suggest that there are not older douche bags out there. I am totally cool wanting to call bullshit on that.

Just don't assume anyone who didn't figure themselves out until they were out of school, etc. = older douche bag "miad" worthy of the wrath of TG.

I get your it's a socialized not age thing. That was my point about you being more like me than you care to admit. There are plenty of "Women raise female" that would dismiss you as much as you dismiss me. They would claim unless you transitioned somewhere between the birth canal and your Apgar score - you were socialized male.

Which makes them assholes in my book, just like the older douche bag trans women you take issue with. It's a bullshit hierarchy. It sucks, and getting involved in "Oppression Olympics" is worse.

But. . .

That doesn't make ALL "Women Raised Female" a-holes. Some of them, like my spouse are true rockstars. Which also doesn't make ALL people who transitioned after you did, the same people who want to pat you on the head and say how easy you have it.

@123:

Again. . . um, well said.

Jeebus, TG, I don't think we're in disagreement. What gives?

What perplexes me is your assumptions about me and insistence on "keeping it real" by dismissing others (my) experiences. People friggin' just deal the hand they were dealt.

Hey maybe I'm ignorant, since I generally steer clear of trans circles (becuase of shit like this) and just get on with life. This does not suggest that there are not older douche bags out there. I am totally cool wanting to call bullshit on that.

Just don't assume anyone who didn't figure themselves out until they were out of school, etc. = older douche bag "miad" worthy of the wrath of TG.

I get your it's a socialized not age thing. That was my point about you being more like me than you care to admit. There are plenty of "Women raise female" that would dismiss you as much as you dismiss me. They would claim unless you transitioned somewhere between the birth canal and your Apgar score - you were socialized male.

Which makes them assholes in my book, just like the older douche bag trans women you take issue with. It's a bullshit hierarchy. It sucks, and getting involved in "Oppression Olympics" is worse.

But. . .

That doesn't make ALL "Women Raised Female" a-holes. Some of them, like my spouse are true rockstars. Which also doesn't make ALL people who transitioned after you did, the same people who want to pat you on the head and say how easy you have it.

double fuck.

@123: (cont.)

I'll say it again:

"If you met one trans person. You've met one trans person."

TG, there are many people like me that are not your enemy. Be who you need to be - but not over the backs of people you never met.

@131:

"Beep. . . Beep. . . Beep" = The sound of a troll backing up through your their own bullshit. . .

Dude, again, if you get turned on by wearing panties and bra under your white coat, fine. But don't get them in a twist and play the: "delusional-tranny-and-their-mutilating-health-care-providers" card, just because your not cool with yourself.

Arguing with you is be like arguing with Barney Franks dinning room table.

and, fuck you.

@132 (and all your other trollish comments), you ARE a butcher. You're the kind of practitioner (assuming your claimed credentials are bona fide) who is responsible for many, many deaths and much misery. Your kind deny treatment to desperate patients who have no other hope. You deceive parents with your misguided bullshit and dispense counsel that should be prosecutable as quackery.

I pray for the day when dogmatic troglodytes like yourself will have no place in a profession based on science, and so little respect in the media that no one would pay any attention to you at all.

@123: no matter how many times or ways I try to read it, your assertion that there is no homogenous trans experience, only individual life experiences, rings hollow. Not because it's not true, but because every comment you make finds a way to privilege YOUR experience of transness over everyone else's. Which - I think - is what trans i am is talking about when they mention a "hierarchy." Not a mysterious, overarching trans hierarchy, but the one by which YOU measure people, which always seems to find you at the top, and anyone with anything to say about THEIR individual experiences of transness as "doing it wrong."

@134:

Kewl. yes "jeez" indeed.

and. . .Yes. . . part of SLOG commenting is for sport.

In this "free for all" environment, sometimes the "just-smile-and-wave" approach doesn't work if you want to win at internets.

I mean. . . why use fancy words like "sanctimonious" when "fuck(leo)tard" will work just fine, ya know?

Most peeps - trans or not - would not react this way in RL or other online forums. . . but then again, neither would RD.

Thank you for signing-in as a transitioned-while-young-non-batshit-crazy-woman.

SLOG, is fun. Come on in, the water's fine. 'cept watch for TG - she bites.

I actually agree that teenaged is probably too young for gender reassignment surgery in most cases. Not because a teenager is incapable of knowing what their true gender identity is, but because someone of that age may not fully appreciate the shortcomings of genital surgery, is more likely to be overconfident about the chances of everything working out great with that decision. Plenty of trans folk decide not to get genital surgery and that's often not widely understood. I think it's quite likely that a trans teen would fall into the trap of thinking, "I'm trans. That means I HAVE to get my body fixed or I'll never truly be the right gender!" Social conformity also plays a stronger role at this age and plenty of people don't respect a transperson's identity if the genitals don't line up.

Teens should wait on surgery so they can fully understand it and be sure it's really what *they* want.

@138:

Yeah i think this is the crux of the issue. How old is old enough? Which, others have said maturity and understanding differs with each individual. Some know, some aren't sure.

That's fair.

However, maturity and understanding are not the only issue. Neither is how dire the need to realize an authentic self, imo.

Sometimes it maybe a trade off between future plans and what has to happen today to get by. I'll lean toward taking care of today first, and worry about tomorrow's evil. . . well, tomorrow.

Which is to say:

What if the rules were such, a kid couldn't get the right gender marker on their DL without SRS?

Which leads to not changing SS # and birth cert.

Which leads to not being able to use the right bathroom at school.

What about being called the right name?

And the right pronouns?

I guess they can forget about playing sports.

What if the school has gender specific uniforms?

What about locker rooms and gym class?

How often are we called he / she and by our names in any given day?

How often do we need to slip into a bathroom?

People who never went through this don't (nor should they) realize how embedded our gender is in nearly everything we do. How we interact with one another and how we're perceived.

Once you realize who you need to be. . . simply being called by the wrong name and pronouns, wearing the wrong clothes, and shoes, lining-up in the wrong line, can be more than painful.

I am a parent and I wouldn't want my kiddo to experience that.

Following Standards of Care + supportive family + individual's needs = the right thing to do.

@132: How is gender-reassignment surgery dangerous and inadvisable? Riddle me that, you douchebag. Obviously, there is the innate risk from being put under, but it's hardly more dangerous than giving someone plastic surgery (other than the very minor procedures, that is). Plastic surgery is typically undergone for similar reasons; the patient feels uncomfortable with his or her physical form, and wishes to change it. Both are elective, obviously. Do you think we should ban face lifts? Or boob jobs? (You'd be disappointing a lot of horny teenage boys, there.) Do ya, you sick fuck?

@134:"vitriolic hatred" is off-base. Way so.

At worst, what I've shared on SLOG is the end of a long, storied frustration that really burnt me over and over by believing that there is good in everyone and that it would be good to have other trans people in my life. For at least the first decade of that experience, I only seemed to run into — locally, not online — people who just fawned over my age, my appearance, my whatever. It just felt weird to me, and I couldn't pin it down. Then I realized I was simply being used vicariously, over and over again, and hearing later on that they resented me even as they smiled toothily to my face. So finally, I began to believe that I was pretty alone and that all trans women were like that. But finally, after a decade, I finally started meeting people whose experiences were a lot more contemporaneous to my own (including a couple who after coming out did return to school — a different one, obviously), and they said, "No, you're not crazy. They do it to us, too." Call it kindred, pals, confidants, whatever. Sharing notes on our experiences revealed that it wasn't just happening to me. So what felt weird and appropriative — of being consumed like fresh blood to a vampire — became one of frustration as it felt like people like me and those close to me were being used for their political and social gain.

I suppose if you've not dealt with that personally, then it's entirely past your conception of empathy. At least sympathy is a start. So scho, it is off-base to brand that frustration as anything other than frustration. "Vitriolic hatred" belongs to the domain of this "Irresponsible Cock" character.

Trans i am? If you're intoning the "batshit craziness" of others by the outright exclusion of one person, then at least have the decency to not be classically p/a about it and call out those you consider so rather than being oblique like you're at a cotillion ball. Or a board room.

p.s., I don't just bite. I also embrace. And love. Don't look so shocked.

@142:

Way cool.

Thanks for sharing your experiances.

Take Care.

@145: One day, grey, you'll have to pay the bills, too.

Eschewing a "binary" only goes so far in an institutionally binary society. Being a "gender revolutionary" might be fun, but it is also naïve. Naïveté is like skimpy clothing: it might look sexy at 15 or 20 or even as high as 25, but at fifty, it looks pathetic and desperate — unless it's for performative and entertaining spaces (see Dan on drag). I'm quite certain that none of your functional movement in the world isn't "binarized" by the way random people (you won't ever get to know) see you.

Besides, being transsexual — as this story had to do with a transsexual teen — has little to do with gender. It has everything to do with one's relationship with their own body, not how others "gender" you. If they "gender" you another way down the way, then okay. Call it a by-product. For a lot of folk, they profit from the by-product. Some might even call it a benefit. Ask trans i am.

For others, gender more or less stays constant. Only the body changes. And once it does, then there's nothing further to say. Life goes on quietly. Meanwhile, a miad can spend $50K and have a supermodel body if they so tried, but it's their gender that will get people's "WTF" radars buzzing with incongruity. No amount of being a "genderista" or "gender anarchist" ("gendarchist"?) will change that social radar. That's why the word "miad" even exists. It's also why you can have run-of-mill women and men who don't spend tons of money to be noticed — and who are transsexual — and no one really notices anything incongruous. That's not a coincidence.

How well one integrates socially has so much to do with that point alone. At the end of the day, everyone has to pay the bills.

@145:

Yes. Some of us have a lot invested in a binary.

I know some very nice middle path people that do just fine. . . but dang, that would never work for me. Additional problems with it (to add to #146) - the way it can look - is it mostly comes off to people as eccentric personal style with nothing to do with gender.

Think gypsy rocker Steven Tyler guys - It's hard to pull of in many settings and from a MTF perspective it has little "F" read in to it by even people like me that know what's going on.

I know. I tried. No go.

and. . . as TG @ 146 said, (if i understand her correctly) yes - navigating the world and being perceived as female is a big benefit. Integrating is bigger than I imagined. It's nice to get on with life.

And. . .

I'll also add that TG describes things about relating to her body. . . Which I also can relate to. It was something I didn't think i would when I started HRT, but, yeah. I feel my body is finally becoming mine. When I look in the mirror I finally see me.

So yeah, it could be that your sense of gender stays constant and only the body changes Before transitioning, i didn't want to believe that physical incongruence exists, but, yeah it does for me. More than I thought.

I think in the end I am waaaaay more transsexual than i gave myself "credit" for. i think my problem was not being cool with who I am. That's over. I am female. It took me a while to get there.

Live and learn. Rinse and repeat.

yo "responsible doc," the self-identified transfolks on here probably seem "rude and threatening" to you because your dangerously ignorant comments are basically telling them that you somehow know and understand them better than they know and understand themselves, which is utterly absurd and arrogant beyond belief. i don't blame them for firing off expletives toward you: even as a cisgendered female myself, i'm showing awesome restraint by not doing the same thing. it honestly worries me that people with views like yours are working in the medical field. your degree clearly does not make up for your total lack of understanding.

@149: I could say that I found your comment offensive, but that's too easy, and it's sorta not really true. The entire litany of "tasks" you just described really isn't relevant to many transsexual people, but rather, to those folk who dallied for decades. Especially the co-worker, wardrobe, "voice alteration", family (read in context here as "wife, daughters, and sons"), and "several cosmetic procedures" parts.

And pronoun change? Whatever. That's the afterthought, not a prereq. If all you're trying to do is to get people to "pronoun" you as desired, then go doll up like Dan used to. Call yourself Ms. Comic Sans. Or maybe Revue Cooper-Black. Otherwise, you're missing the bigger picture and what this is all about (in fact, those folks are probably the very subset I've been referring to about throughout this and on other SLOG threads).

Also, apropos of the recent SLOG on NSFW baristas in Everett, it's not a vagina you're talking about if you're speaking of one's lady parts. You're speaking of a vulva, even if the "hard stent" (wow, you say that as if you almost regret it) concerns one's vaginal canal. Still, you make this all sound like such a hassle and inconvenience. Maybe for you it is/was/will be. If your posting was implicitly describing your own experiences, well, at least you now possess what you've always wanted.

/poker-faced sarcasm

[Yes, that's another thing about miads I've learnt: they speak very clinically of all this, speaking of "surgery results" like they're talking about collectible cars over which they just took possession and had restored. Or maybe baseball cards. Or power tools ("Hey Martina, the clitoral sensitivity features on my vagina are a vast improvement over the last generation model that my neighbour Roberta got.") It's quite sickening to listen to.]

More to the point, @149: @140 wasn't comparing a single face lift to, as you called it, a "gender reassignment" (funny, cos there is no surgery to change one's behavioural articulation, unless I didn't get the memo). And you're missing the point entirely. @140 is completely correct that sexual surgical intervention is not really any more risky or dangerous than other invasive (i.e., cutting of skin, as opposed to, say, botox) plastic surgical procedure: there is risk in general anaesthesia, risk of tissue healing poorly, risk of nerve damage, risk of people looking at you even funnier than before the knife. But properly prepared, one's experience is not likely to be fraught with many eventful or unexpected moments, and you'll be better prepared for them if they do happen.

Then again, I suppose that if you're in poor health, a smoker, older, leathery, drinker, etc., the risks increasingly become unacceptably high. Life is full of risk. How this is managed depends on one's ability to plan well regardless one's point in life. Planning need not take a long time. It just means "do your homework" to help you get to a desired placement or outcome.

Easier said than done, eh? Bunkum and balderdash.

Awwwh danceofdays, rip away. :)

@153: You clearly browsed and didn't read what was said, or you'd see we'd said the same thing in different ways.

Miads, as it is, seem constantly obsessed with the vaginal canal and "depth" and "results" (visual aesthetics) and shit like that. They seldom, if ever, refer to their fanny as a vulva. Google it.

Well... Good for them for correcting their error.

Good article. It's refreshing to see an article where a girl admits that a) girls control the dating scene and b) girls often pick guys who "know how they love bags" rather than choose quality bags. I can't tell you how many of my girl-friends say something to the effect of "I don't know what I saw in that jerk!" Stuff like "The Pickup Artist" works...but its because it relies on psychology and manipulation. Not something to emulate, in my opinion.
Girls, give that cute, if not shy and awkward, guy a chance! He might be the one you're looking for!
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I'm curious if the kid was really "a girl trapped in a man's body" or if he was really simply a feminine gay male? Gender Identity Disorder isn't real. Transsexuals who claim it is are actually autogynophiliacs. Homosexual Transsexuals (feminine boys attracted exclusively to men and get sex changes so they can fit in with society) don't experience GID.

I'm curious if the kid was really "a girl trapped in a man's body" or if he was really simply a feminine gay male? Gender Identity Disorder isn't real. Transsexuals who claim it is are actually autogynophiliacs. Homosexual Transsexuals (feminine boys attracted exclusively to men and get sex changes so they can fit in with society) don't experience GID.

You are, of course, correct. However, I wouldn't say that too loudly around here unless you're in the mood for one hell of a screaming match.