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I'm sure she'll be in a hurry to remove these photos.

Whenever she's done saving them to her hard drive.
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I love all the attention this is getting.
Did the school district really think they could cancel the prom and nobody would notice?
Excellent work, Dan and everyone else who wrote letters and called.
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@3 I'm sure you do, because it's all about that.
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Hilarious excursiveness @3.
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Stupid spellcheck: recursiveness and not excursiveness.
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Fair is fair.
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@3: Yes, of course it's all about attention. Do you think for one moment that by politely asking the school board will say "yes, we'll apologize to her for blaming her"? No, never.

Attention brings out the harsh truth, like the strong bias the school board (and you) have against this student. Drawing attention to things works.

Like drawing attention to the fact that you're a man and a pathological liar. And probably closeted, to boot.
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@3 - I was a gay teenager in Arizona in the 80s. I grew up in a very intolerant environment. My high school lost several gay students to suicide because of PEOPLE LIKE YOU telling them they were bad and immoral, preaching hate in the name of God. So seriously, FUCK YOU VERY MUCH. You and your kind are helping to make life miserable for a lot of young people, and there is blood on your hands.

Of course, you probably masturbate to the thought of gay kids killing themselves. You're a horrible person.
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@8: Here's a study from students that graduated in the mid-late 80s: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles…

Gay/Bi males at the time were 7x more likely to attempt suicide.
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I am not sure if LC is a self loathing closet case or if what he writes is just a sign of frustration that his side is losing the culture war.
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Does all of this kinda seem juvenile? I understand that it's a shame for them to cancel the prom and not let homegirl go with her lady friend but seriously. This whole thing kinda flows into the realm of catty gays gettin mad about a stupid highschool dance. I am sure there are greater injustices in the world that could use Dan Savages vast activist network. ohh wait real problems take more than clicking a button on your facebook page. silly me.
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@9 - Much to her sadness, some of us actually live to adulthood, and become productive members of society. I even know a couple of gay teachers. I'm sure that makes her blood boil.
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@11: Yeah, I mean, it's not like anti-gay abuse is a problem for high school kids. It's not like teenage girls that identify as lesbian are 50% more likely to attempt suicide. And it's not like, in this case, the school district attempted to heap more ire on the student in question. And it's not like so many people have responded to this that their voicemail and e-mails are filled to the point that nobody else can contact them.

Nah, this is just a bunch of catty gays sad we couldn't go to our proms* :(

*Well, I went to mine, won most popular out of 470 students, got a free funsaver camera, but the point stands! We're all sad we couldn't go to our proms!
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@8 Just stay away from kids. Stop using them. If you seek to legalize the items in your agenda do so based on their own merit ( if they have any ) and with adults. Otherwise take a look at your own hands before pointing to those of others.
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@ 14, VBH's are clean. Yours are not.
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Even those that disagree with you (myself included) would have much more respect for you if you actually stopped bringing kids into your political battles. Kids should not be used as cannon fodder.
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Totally kick-ass awesome.
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@14: Loveschild, do you think your persona is a good mother? I don't think so. I think your Loveschild persona is a model bad parent with a lot of baggage that, were she real, would be a major child abuser. Your theoretical children, by this age, would have probably been sexually and mentally abused by this point by you and your husband.

If you were real, Loveschild, just based on your sociopathic statements, you would likely be physically abusive, if not sexually abusive. And because like attracts like, your husband should probably warrant a listing on the sex offender database.

On top of that, the things you teach your hypothetical children are atrocious, like homophobia and this wonderful gem of racism:

Not even if 'he' lived straight and sought females ..... how can I put this delicately ...... 'he' and those that share 'his' most evident genetic trait are not my type of men.


Thank god you aren't really a mother.
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@16 - I agree, but it was the principal that brought the kid into it, not anyone here. Here, she's being defended.

So - we're agreed. No one should discrimiate/hurt children due to their orientation (which I think you call political beliefs). Congrats! Welcome to the side of justice and kind Christian thought and action.
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@16: So you would agree, then, that NOM should stop saying "protect the children"? Were you offended that R-71's petition said "protect children"?

No, you're a liar. A terrible liar.

If you were a real woman and a real mother, it's clear at this point that you would be a highly abusive parent and damaging to your own children. A racist, a homophobe, a liar, anti-semitic, anti-islamic and much much more.

So again I say: I'm so glad you aren't really a parent. Leave that to the real upright mothers like Kim. And great parents like Dan and Terry.
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@16 - I just want all kids to grow up in a safe and loving envoronment, which is something you obviously don't want for them. I worry about how your own kids are being raised.
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And now I think I'll go play ping-pong.
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Is this young lady suicidal, I didn't read that part of the report.Ohh wait that isn't in the report is it. I'm not saying the world isn't a cold hearted bitch of a place but I could give a flying fuck if she goes to her prom or not. I mean why the fuck would she want to hang out with a bunch of redneck Billy's and Suzies anyway . In my day any self respecting kid would just hit up the hotel parties after the dance and hopefully score with one of the drunk cheerleaders while their jock boyfriends where in the bathroom beerbonging with his buddy's.
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@21: Loveschild would be the kind of mother that would have her daughter sexually assaulted by male relatives if she came out as a lesbian. Or she'd have her male sons beat mercilessly by family members if he came out as gay. And after all that, she'd kick them out and threaten to kill them if they dared tattle.

It happens all the time. We had a couple of talks at my university from students that had exactly the above happen to them, and it happens with startling frequency in this country. It's the reason lesbian-identified teens are 50% more likely to attempt suicide and gay-identified teen males are 7x more likely to attempt suicide and transgendered teens are 10x more likely to attempt suicide.

When the kids say they're hurting, the Loveschild types will immediately say "stop using the children". But they will eagerly stoop to saying how gay people harm children and how marriage should be protected for kids and how kids are confused by gay marriage.

This is why we should all be glad Loveschild is not actually "Loveschild".
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@11 & 23: This is not just about one high school dance, or one teenager's life. The media attention this story is getting sends two very important messages. First, if you are a kid in this situation, you can get legal support from the ACLU. You have rights. And second, any school district that thinks about pulling a stunt like this in the future will have to deal with, what is it now? 80,000+ people calling them out on it, publicly. The message this sends is that petty acts of bigotry like this are just not worth it.

You seem to think this is an isolated incident, completely separate from the cultural messages gay kids get that drive them into suicidal depression. You are wrong.
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@21 " I just want all kids to grow up in a safe and loving envoronment"

And that's why you keep bringing them up to fight your battles.

Honestly, you, dr. Bacon and those with your views just leave kids alone plz. Childhood is childhood, it about playing, enjoying live, a mother and a father, siblings, friends of the same age, learning academic subjects in school that's what it is about Yet you just seem fixated in bringing things that don't belong in those stages of life. And if parents stand up against your intentions you scheme whatever tactics you can muster up so that you can silence and punish them until they submit.

Worry about fighting your own adult fights and leave minors out them.
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Wait, wait, wait. Loveschild @16, you think this young woman is being harmed by her supporters? By gay activist lobby groups? She is gay, and she is taking an activist stand on behalf of herself and other gay kids. She is a gay activist, and she called the ACLU for support. Is she using herself as cannon fodder? I don't get it.
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@26: You say: And that's why you keep bringing them up to fight your battles.

However, reality would show otherwise. From the R-71 section of the voters guide for the 2009 election:

Reject Senate Bill 5688 to Protect Children!

SB 5688 redefines terms such as “husband” and “wife” to be construed as “gender neutral.” The new law will confuse children and likely result in public schools influencing children to accept a new definition of the “family unit” so that same-sex partners will be a recognized norm.
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So Loveschild, how do you propose we support gay kids? I mean, you're all about loving and protecting children, right? So how do we love and protect gay children who are discriminated against by homophobes? I'd love to hear your answer to this.
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I would still like to know what paedagogical outcome is served by prohibiting students from bringing a date of their own sex to the prom, or preventing female students from wearing trousers.
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@27 You honestly don't think that most of the people driving this story and making calls and whatnot are not adults ? You honestly believe that if this was just about a prom that well-to-do people like Savage wouldn't have already have solved that if they really wanted ? plz.
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Loveschild, if you're complaining that children are being used as tools, why not also criticize the administrators who decided to cancel the prom? Their action was intended to ostracize Ms. McMillen, to make the other students resent her and turn on her. They couldn't just say "no, you can't bring the date you want". They had to cancel the prom for everyone instead. And now, apparently because they lack the courage of their convictions, they're refusing to admit that that's why they canceled the prom.

Besides, while I agree that childhood should be a wonderful time of anyone's life, kids aren't bananas. You can't keep them in a bag, hoping they won't get bruised, and only pull them out when they're ripe. And, as we've seen, children are amazingly responsive to lessons in tolerance and acceptance of others. You want to teach them prejudice and yet you criticize others for "using" children?
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@29:

He/she/they/it would actually prefer you didn't. That's the whole point of his/her/their/its tirades.

And LC are you saying that Sarah Palin trotting out her brood at every political rally and media event she attended during the 2008 presidential campaign was wrong? 'Cause you'd HAVE to say that if you actually wanted to be: A. Consistent with your message, and B. not a fucking hypocrite.
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@31: No, this isn't about the prom, this is about systemic abuse of teenagers being perpetuated by adults. The same kind of abuse that led a man like yourself to be so damaged as to create a persona like Loveschild.
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@14 Hateschild

"Just stay away from kids. Stop using them"

Constance- The lady is 18- not a kid...
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Point of order: at 18 years old, McMillen may be legally a minor in her state, but she's hardly a child. She is two years over the legal age of consent. She can legally take any job (with a very few exceptions, such as president of the country), serve as an executor or administrator, enter into binding contractual relationships affecting personal property, sue in her own name as an adult and be sued in her own name as an adult and be served with process as an adult, and settle personal injury claims, among other things. In other words, her state considers that she's perfectly capable of making her own decisions, including those that are legally binding.
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Looks like Loveschild has even more time on his hands than usual...
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And I kind of want to join this group, so that I can post on the wall and add pictures... only I wouldn't want any of my friends to see that I joined a group called "Coach McNeese for SUPERINTENDENT." hum... but it could be ten minutes of unbridled fun... hum.
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@25
I know that kids are victimized for an insane amount of things by the establishment, adults, other kids and whatnot but back to my original point I just don't think shit like posting these photo's on this ladies facebook is very productive. You see this is not only about the superintendents facebook people from all over will see these through blogs such as the stranger and the general feeling will be yeah i thought it was lame of the school to cancel this dance but jesus this gay mob is out for blood. I mean do you think tactics like this work? I don't.
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@39: Well, at least Loveschild doesn't need to worry about being the dimmest bulb in the marquee of crazy.
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When I'm thinking about Loveschild I'm always seeing a huge Christian bulldyke.
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"Leave the kids out of it" is exactly how China handles religion. You can't teach a kid about your religious beliefs-not even your own kids. Is that a rule you'd like to follow, LC? They're just "protecting young minds", too.

So if we're going to keep from "indoctrinating" kids into a particular "world view", that would apply equally to all "world views", even for your own kids.

The price for freedom for YOU is freedom for ME. You can't lock other people's kids away from the world any more than they can lock your kids away. So when you're willing to sacrifice your kids (no religious instruction till 18+) maybe people will be willing to listen to you insist that they sacrifice their kids (no "gay tolerance" instruction till 18+) too.
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@10-- Personally, I'm pretty sure that Loveschild is just a really bored hateful teenager who posts here when he gets suspended from World of Warcraft for spamming 'fag' in the auction house with a macro. I'd personally be more offended by Loveschild if I thought it honestly believed a third of what it says.
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@42 I've never had any problem whatsoever with parents teaching their beliefs unto their kids, we do so with ours and others should have the same right regardless of whether we disagree with their ideology or not. That's not what's at issue here, the problem resides in using minors to fight political battles, like "very bad" does in a cheap attempt to gain sympathy from the public, that's completely unacceptable of both sides.
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@44 How distorted is your worldview, here? Dan Savage didn't demand that the prom be cancelled to highlight this kid. He didn't seek out the story. The school board CHOSE to make an example of her (which you apparently approve of), and she CHOSE to stand up for herself. Which I'm sure you don't approve of. Dan Savage picked this up and is *taking her side*. He didn't make it a national news story - had the school board just let this girl be herself, this would NOT BE A STORY, and Dan Savage wouldn't give two shits about it. Nor would you or anyone else. Go crawl back into your stoneage hole, retard.
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@44, this is where it begins. This isn't a political battle - it's speaking up for people who don't have the right to vote yet, who have no sway, who are at the mercy of the adults around them. Are you saying that we should wait until this girl is 18 to care about her rights as an individual? She's just a nonperson until then? The school system is the one who politicized this. When I was in high school 15 years ago, many girls went to the prom together as each other's "dates," and a few of them wore (some lovely) pantsuits. And many girls were dancing together that night. They were all straight, and no one thought to consider their sexuality. This girl has been singled out because she is gay. Otherwise, why worry about it? I assume that the school would not allow people to be making out on the dance floor if they have those good Christian values you seem so obsessed with. So ostensibly, it comes down to the fact that this girl identifies as a lesbian that has gotten the school all up at arms, and that's something that the school should not be involved in at ALL. The school is behaving intrusively and unjustly, and they are the ones who politicized a dance for children. They must be called out. Or do you think that we should just remain silent as unjustice is heaped upon minors? Never mind - it's clear that you do.
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@40. Wow that's all you have. Name calling.
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Loveschild, you have a problem with "the problem resides in using minors to fight political battles", and it's very big of you to actually say that it's "completely unacceptable of both sides", and yet you save all your criticism for only one side. Do you feel the other side is underrepresented and needs to be defended? If so, then aren't you defending a group that you admit is doing something "unacceptable"?

As I and others have pointed out Ms. McMillen followed the rules. She asked for approval of her date. The school administrators weren't content with just saying no. They had to cancel the entire prom in the hopes that other students would ostracize her. So, do you really find that kind of treatment unacceptable?
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@44: Have you seen your own icon lately? Or the website you used to link to, marriagedebate? And where were you for ads like this: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
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Or here, in the thread called "The R-71 Effect", you were the first person to bring up kids:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
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@ 44, First, Constance is 18. 18 isn't a "minor." She's old enough to vote. She's a full-fledged citizen.
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I'm not sure how I ever used a minor to fight a political battle, but pretty much everything LC says is totally delusional, isn't it?
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I don't view this as "using kids to fight our battles." As I understand it, this isn't my fight but Constance's fight. I don't believe I am in the wrong for providing my support for her. Might I ask, Loveschild - who else would defend this girl from discrimination if not us? You oppose any sort of support that we give her but you have yet to do anything yourself. You would rather have her peers treat her poorly than allow her some gay support? Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.
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While the defenders of Ms. McMillen are focused primarily on her, what I think they're really fighting for now is for all the students to have a prom. And that, technically, does include some minors.

I have to give the school administrators some credit, though. They're teaching a valuable lesson in how prejudice can have an impact well beyond its targets.
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And here's the opponents of SB5688 saying kids would be harmed: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…

Here's Larry Stickney saying he was going to put SB 5688 on the ballot (R-71) to protect kids: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…

Here you are attacking Dan and Terry by attacking their child: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…

Same thread, you hiding behind your kids: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…

(PS, here's my prediction for the outcome of R-71: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive… -- oooooh, I predicted it would pass 54-46!)
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Loveschild talking about kids again: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…

Really, it takes 10 seconds to find Loveschild talking about kids. He really loves children. Loves 'em.
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@53

"You oppose any sort of support that we give her but you have yet to do anything yourself."

I support this :

"A New Orleans hotel owner—Sean Cummings—has offered to bus students from Fulton to New Orleans for a free-of-charge prom at his hotel."

What I don't support is the harassment to no end of a school and a town. Financial support is one thing, harassment and impositions is another. Your side always engages in the latter, and people such as yourself seem to have no problem with that.
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@57: Focus on the Family, American Family Association and Southern Baptist Convention have all instituted wide-ranging boycotts and mail-in campaigns against pro-gay organizations like Disney and Pepsi.

Anti-gay groups also descended upon Anchorage, AK to attack a proposed anti-discrimination law in that city: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive… -- also of note is that these activists had their kids hoist these signs.

I wondered if you were a hypocrite and defended the religious right directly in their tactic of hiding behind kids, and you did: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…

Here's swarms of people crowding a major intersection in Lynnwood, many bussed in from out of the area: http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2009/10/sea…
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The Teresa McNeece for Coach Facebook page appears to have been deleted. Teresa McNeece's personal page seems to be gone too.
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@ 57, we're only doing the internet version of freedom riding. This place is the new Selma. You only don't like it because you're on the Klan's side now. (It's true - they don't like the queer folk any more than the black folk.)
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Looks like McNeese's FB page has been taken down.
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Baconcat,

You sweet, wonderful, witty man... Your point is well made. May I suggest you head to the shower now. Many of us have the habit of wrestling with one both full of shit and covered in shit. And, in doing so we cover ourselves in their shit. You did good.

May both you and your charming beloved enjoy your weekend.

Take care.
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@45 lol

also may I please propose that from now on we all just IGNORE loveschild completely. I think he would soon diappear if that were to happen. One can hope anyway.....
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Also: cheers baconcat. See on the other hand we would miss the gems in retorts like yours if he were to be completely ignored.
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MC Bacon FTW!
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@everyone: When the story was posted 5 days ago, "Let Constance Take Her Girlfriend to Prom!" had over 75,000 fans. Now has [b]over 320,000[\b] (!!!) fans .
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Make sure you have th right Teresa McNeece before you post their FACEBOOK account. My VERY DEAR friend who is SOOOO not that Teresa got 258 hate messages. Please PUBLISH RESPONSIBLY AND CHECK YOUR SOURCES MR. SAVAGE!!!!
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Make sure you have th right Teresa McNeece before you post their FACEBOOK account. My VERY DEAR friend who is SOOOO not that Teresa got 258 hate messages. Please PUBLISH RESPONSIBLY AND CHECK YOUR SOURCES MR. SAVAGE!!!!
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FYI there are at least 4 Teresa McNeeces in the state of Mississippi and at least three of them are educators!


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