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Man, what the fuck.
Uh, I mean DEY TUK ARR JERBS!
In all seriousness, I live in Tucson. And I've been sick to my stomach for three straight hours now. Anyone up there have a room for rent?
We're doomed. The current Supremes are going to love this law to pieces. They'll base it on the Hiibel case. National ID cards will probably be coming soon. Ironically, hard-core Western Goldwater conservatives like those who used to rule Arizona have always been dead set against the idea.
Now I have a date to get ready for. Mr. Buddy Guy is in town.
On the other hand it joins Colorado as a bona fide hate state.
SIGN THE FUCKER!!
I *WANT* every candidate to provide the "Original" birth certificate. HELL YES.
Because then everyone will have to finally shut the fuck up when Barry gives everyone the middle finger while proving he was born in Hawaii. Nevermind the fact that he's natural born BECAUSE HIS MOTHER WAS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
I really hope that every Latino group can organize to assure that a republican has no hope of holding office in the future there (...or anywhere else, come to think on it)
You can always bet on Republicans to be on the wrong side of social justice.
this anti immigrant legislation was started by a white supremacist who 3 years ago was considered too fringe. now he is a leader in the Arizona house.
The minute the Fed declares legally that they cannot do that, the sinking will begin. Like I've been saying on and off, our grandchildren may live to see the beginning of the next civil war or at least attempted coup de'tat.
@3 most Muslim terrorists will speak with an accent and have skin with brown tones. Therefore the terrorists would be targeted by this law, too. Not to mention that Dan's call to exercise our freedom of speech rights is not in direct contradiction to the arguement that this law is wrong.
I am not sure which rules of logic you are applying to imply that if you believe in freedom of speech within the limits as determined by Brandenburg v. Ohio you cannot logically believe that a law that violates the 4th and 14th amendments is heinous.
Or are you saying that because Dan believes in Freedom of Speech he has branded all Muslims as intolerant and violent? Or am I missing something within your arguement?
I don't think so, Joe. The other boarder states have very large Latino populations, and these people vote. This is not the case in AZ. The Latino population in AZ, while large, is quite small as a registerd block of voters. The politicians in TX know where their bread is buttered, and they are not going to offend an important political constituancy. Look for wholesale mobilization of voter registration and voting by Latino's in AZ.
And you think Dan's reading comprehension sucks.
@27: The kind of kalifornia, east coast, and south of the border trash that can spell decently, I presume you mean. Seriously, hit F7 once in a while and spare us all.
I assume they'll righteously demand papers from anyone they hear saying "eh?" to irradicate these maple-sucking, moose riding snowbacks from our glorious shores!
Joking aside, I'm married to a pasty white Canadian. I'm Hispanic/Native American. Which one of us do you think will have to worry about bringing their birth certificate if we ever have the foul fucking luck to accidentally drive through Arizona?
This is fucking sickening.
Why would Dan withdraw from the the Phoenix New Times. If you've read that paper just a couple times, you'd know they in no way support this bill in particular or Joe in specific.
Again, why would Dan want to withdraw?
"illegals...are intentionally causing accidents on the freeway"
The Arizona I grew up in was not like this. We got rid of Mecham, another racist Mormon - collecting more signatures in the recall than he received in votes - only to have him impeached for being crooked (funny, for someone who claimed to be so pious, said he spoke to God, and that it was ordained he become governor - sounds like a former president....). Yes, immigration reform is needed. But not this. This is legislated racism, despite those who claim it is not.
And for a state whose economy is already down in the tubes, the last mess with Mecham cost the state several hundred million dollars in lost revenue - a Superbowl that was moved to Pasadena, hundreds of conventions and concerts that were cancelled. I'm sure the NRA and the KKK, as well as the national GOP'ers (R = racist) will want to go to AZ now, but it was bad news last time and it will be bad news this time. Just wait for the lawsuits to begin - Joe Arpaio has already cost Maricopa County hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawsuits. They can't even repair the roads or have their rest stops open because there is no money. I feel bad for my fellow Arizonans who are not racist - and there are some there - but the have been canceled out by those who have moved in from the midwest and Texas.
At least I'll save some plane fare by not going home for a long, long time....
The link where he says:
"Our failure to act responsible at the federal level..."?
The link where he says:
"...if we continue to fail to act at the federal level..."?
The link where he says:
"In fact, I've instructed members of my administration to closely monitor the situation"?
That's the Federal version of "Let's have a townhall meeting! blah blah blah."
It is not enforcing Federal Immigration law.
The link where he says:
"... and examine the civil rights and other implications of this legislation."?
Dicking around Examining Implications is not Enforcing Federal Law, either.
The President is NOT enforcing Federal Immigration Law.
He knows it.
And, now, so do you.
At least Utah is happy now. In the words of a Salt Lake Tribune commenter:
"It's good to know that Utah doesn't have a monopoly on idiots in the legislature."
"Our failure to act responsible at the federal level..."
"...if we continue to fail to act at the federal level..."
These quotes are talking about what will happen if they don't do anything about the new immigration law. Obama thinks that the new law is bad and that the government needs to check if it's Constitutional or not.
"...I've instructed members of my administration to closely monitor the situation and examine the civil rights and other implications of this legislation."
This quote is talking about how Obama wants to see if the law will be used for the police to be racist. He's having his people watch to see if people do get arrested just because they're Hispanic. And if that does happen, he'll know for sure that it's a bad law.
There is no mention of Federal immigration law (or the enforcement of any law at all) in the passage quoted. Not to mention, the law that the President is criticizing is a STATE law. You here are just as dumb as your earlier incarnation at #14. I believe you are the fuckface.
Let's go feed the little fuckers, fuckface: http://www.engrish.com//wp-content/uploa…
Of course that is less kosher on the civil liberties front ...
Yup. Papers, please.
And honestly, the stigmata is on both ends. Nobody wants to hire a doctorate in Organic Chemistry for anything other than organic chemistry.
Even though I wanted money, we are cultured for "professionalism".
Now THAT is news.
I don't think anyone asks to look at your doctorate in anything when you apply to these jobs, so I'm failing to see what the "stigmata on both ends" is. Unless it's something you've made up for yourself.
I've known managers at Taco Bell who are cool with hiring a doctorate in "whatever you couldn't get a job in, can you push the button for Chalupa?" so I'm really not getting how you're being so goddamn opressed by your "professionalism."
I don't recall these two bills being on the ballot. Neither does my mother who is an Arizona voter....which makes me suspect that 70% of voters approve of this. The only bill we recall is something to do with identity theft. Since Arizona has a terrible problem with identity theft, I can see how legislation regarding that would be really popular.
That being said I think Jan Brewer will be serving another term.
They (AZ) really screwed this up. This is a state that is completely out of control.
Organic Chemistry, back in 2004 was almost a universally an in for a six figure job. This is before we started to jettison R and D to foreign countries. Now, there is a collective wtf on the science front. There is plenty of science that needs to be done, but no one is sure what the role is for Ph. D. scientists right now. As far as industry goes, we are "overqualified" to be techs and underqualified to be managers even though we really need only small amounts of training.
It's just very very confusing. Will things recover? Will they not recover? Can afford to pay back my student loans doing manual labor? Will I have the opportunity to advance? Will they hire me KNOWING that if the research economy recovers, I will just quit and do what I was I trained to do. Seriously, I would NOT have gotten the Ph. D. in organic chemistry had a I know I would be flipping burgers for the rest of my life. I would have gone to trade school? or something? I make PLASTIC and DRUGS for a living, christ neither seem to be going out of style, and jobs making either in the states are scarce.
Yet, you still need to live, I spent more time bitching to companies that I owed money to for my education, which some could be viewed of as investment. I didn't give up my 20's to be bitched at by embittered old single men JUST so I could have financial insecurity for the rest of my life.
So what do you, well, I finally found a job, in Georgia of all places ... and I guess for now this is where I belong.
I was talking to someone about this last night, it's simply turf. I don't speak spanish (well) I don't live in that culture. I just think doing day labor, would have been, unfortunately, an uncomfortable position for all. My co workers, myself, and my boss. It's not enough to be willing to work, you kind of have to ... well fit in. I remember my last construction job before I moved to the west coast to be an organic chemist, I kept getting asked to make meth ...
I'm not opposed to any legal immigration, I'm only opposed to illegal immigration. The feds stopped building the fence along the border a few weeks ago. They sent another signal to states, it's up to you to protect yourselves.
California just went over the 50% latino mark last year, and over the years we have had similar responses from those who feel threatened. The difference probably lies with California's younger, and more liberal population. However, even in California there was a law passed about ten years ago (struck down by the state court days later) to have teachers report the presence of undocumented students to immigration officials. The same kind of uproar happened then.
The reality is that in the poorest sections of Los Angeles, Phoenix, Tucson, Santa Ana and other southern cities more than a third of the population is undocumented and incredibly poor and uneducated. It is estimated that the total number of undocumented immigrants living in the Los Angeles metropolitan region is 1.5 million. What kind of culture is brewing there and in Phoenix? Should the voting populations be concerned?
It's as simple as that to keep on the dole.
And thanks for making it personal with the name calling which was unnecessary and rude. But why should I expect anything else?
See, unemployment benefits can only be extended for 13 weeks maximum over the standard 26 weeks you get when you lose your job. And in order to collect unemployment benefits at all, you need to demonstrate a willingness to work; this generally entails applying for positions that the Job Service suggests and then accepting the job if you get it. Freeloading off of the government isn't nearly as easy as you think.
Go back to your Wii, honey.
It's pretty easy; the government does not have the resources to really keep tabs.
Also, Just Say No, laws vary from state to state. I checked the basic stuff for Virginia (your state, apparently), and people are required to show that they are indeed searching for jobs while they receive unemployment benefits. However, the Virginia unemployment office does not always send people specific job leads, which would explain why you may have been seeing such attempted fraud. The official government PDF also states that you may be given benefits from 12 to 26 weeks only. There is a law allowing for extension of benefits, but this is used only "during periods of prescribed high national or state unemployment levels". And to get unemployment benefits again after they run out for you, you have to hold a job for at least a month and then lose it through no fault of your own. So if you think that you can just live off government handouts in perpetuity, you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
I'll assume the "dumbass" comment was meant for @66, not me.
I'm not advocating getting rid of unemployment benefits; I've received them. I'm just letting you know that, at least from my experience, your statement that "in order to collect unemployment benefits at all, you need to demonstrate a willingness to work" is based on the naive and incorrect notion that the state governments actually have the capacity to keep track of what unemployed people are doing to find work.
Believe me, I'm far more concerned with welfare given to corporations and banks than I am about welfare given to the little guys (and gals), but being liberal and being cynical about the little guy's motives are not mutually exclusive.
Oh, and being more on topic, I don't think this law is a good idea.