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1
all i ask is that you coddle them.
2
I'm also all for this ball cupping thing. Can I go through twice and keep my shoes on?
3
This will all come tumbling down the first time a TSA agent beats down a kinky passenger with a woody for going through screening repeatedly because he's turned on by aggressive handling.
4
Well, what do you know? Something both the lefties and the righties agree on. It's still not going to change anything, though.
5
I personally think we should all act turned on and be VERY vocal about it while they pat us down- embarrassment is a 2 way street.
6
If they wanted to be really efficient, they'd combine this with a pelvic or prostate exam.
7
Wow. I think it's been 5 years since I had to travel anywhere by plane. I hope it's a lot longer than that before I have to again.

...But having a security guy play with my balls might help make up for the hassle.
8
I'm hoping for a female TSA to do the ballcup for me if possible:)
9
How very Israeli, indeed.
10
I found out that Papa Vel-DuRay was dying quite abruptly: an early morning call from my sister when I was rather hungover, which is unusual for me.

I booked a one way ticket for later that morning, and had no checked baggage, which I guess is about as scary/security as you can get in the TSA world. When I got to the airport, I got pulled aside and given a special check by a very hunky TSA guy.

Even in my shock and anxiety, I have to admit to being turned on by how erotic the whole thing was. There was no nudity, no cavity search, nothing like that, but he definitely felt me up - and was very charming about the whole thing.

The rest of the day, and subsequent days, were very sad, but I'll always remember that special screening.
11
Why will this never happen here? All of these things take training and skilled workers. The TSA wants to hire low-skill workers and pay them as little as possible.
12
Catalina, you give me hope.
13
I can't decide, socks on or socks off during the ball cuddling?
14
I find it a bit ironic that such a liberal blog is espousing Israeli security methods. Which is not to say I'm not happy about it...
15
What do you find ironic about it?
16
I'll be flying with the wife and baby on Thanksgiving day. Plan on opting-opt all around. We'll see how it goes...
17
Next time I'm traveling free-balling in my thin nylon basketball shorts .
18
So, while flying you're usually exposed to quite a lot of radiation, depending on a few factors. A long flight should expose someone to thousands of times more than a brief walk through a full-body scanner. Privacy concerns are legitimate of course, but the science behind it says don't worry about the radiation. Just ask him.
19
@14 Sly

Yea, because not wanting to get blown up mid air is a conservative cause?

Idiot.
20
How many airports does Israel have?

How many airports does the United States have?

Implementing Israel's level of airport security in EVERY U.S. airport would be impossible. Even trying to implement it only in the major international U.S. airports would be unbelievably difficult.

You're comparing watermelons to kosher dills.
21
Travel checklist:

-cock ring
-Viagra
-enthusiasm for security measures.
22
From the Wikipedia article on Israeli airport security:

As part of its focus on this so-called "human factor," Israeli security officers interrogate travelers using racial profiling, singling out those who appear to be Arab based on name or physical appearance.[19] Additionally, all passengers, even those who do not appear to be of Arab descent, are questioned as to why they are traveling to Israel, followed by several general questions about the trip in order to search for inconsistencies.

This can go quite far. They may interview traveling companions in seperate rooms. They may ask for your mom's telephone number and call her to check your claims. They may target 1/2 hour for Israeli Jews, but for others the process takes much longer.
23
Just to elaborate on my point @20,

Israel's largest airport, Ben Gurion, moved about 10 million people in 2007.

Seattle-Tacoma airport, in 2009, moved about 30 million. Now, Sea-Tac is big, but it's not even in the top ten largest airports in the United States.

Israel is a small country people... they can afford to have hyperactive security. The U.S. is not Israel.

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@22, 23 - I'm not advocating doing exactly what Israel does, nor do I think what they do is necessarily "hyperactive" security. The racial profiling is a legitimate issue, but putting that aside, they have lots of measures that are not hard to implement at our scale, and aren't more costly than what we're doing, and are likely more effective.

My point is that the stuff we're doing now is just nonsense, and getting worse.
25
Urgurtha @ 23: And yet the USA can afford the delays as people line up to be felt up? Obviously there's a point at which "security" becomes too invasive and time consuming, and at that point the TSA will quietly give up and go back to whatever they can get away with (in the name of job security). And that point will be reached when the majority of travellers in the USA, like those in Israel, decide enough is enough.
But personally, I'd rather see effective security like in Israel, than what passes for security and fails so regularly as in most of the Western world. And by 'effective' I mean, finds the threats quickly and reliably, without causing undue intrusion or delays to innocent passengers.
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@4

Not so much. I know you've got a woody to defend the right & push your false equivalencies, but these security measures were implemented by the very right-wing white house &a very conservative congress earlier this decade. The ineffective security system is in place because of the right's constant use of fear as a tactic to wield power. There is no corollary to this from the dems, except a whimper here & there about what will happen when the gop takes over.
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Radiation exposure is cumulative. All x-ray radiation exposure is dangerous. One of the scientists who signed off on the safety of the device already stated that he had thought it was only to be used as a late-stage screening for a small number of cases. He never would have said it was safe for general use every time someone flies because we don't have any prior information on the use of radiation on that scale to tell us whether it is safe. (source: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story…)

It also concentrates the radiation in the skin and eyes and hits the testicles and ovaries more than radiation usually does, which will have hard to predict long-term effects. The general population includes people who are already at increased risks for skin cancer, and each additional bit of risk adds to their odds of getting it or getting it again.

From the wikipedia article:
"Fathers exposed to medical diagnostic x-rays are more likely to have infants who contract leukemia, especially if exposure is closer to conception or includes two or more X-rays of the lower gastrointestinal (GI) tract or lower abdomen.[34] In medical radiography the x-ray beam is adjusted to expose only the area of which an image is required, so that generally shielding is applied to the patient to avoid exposing the gonads,[35] whereas in an airport backscatter scan, the testicles of men and boys will be deliberately subjected to the direct beam, and radiation will also reach the ovaries of female subjects. Whilst the overall dose averaged over the entire body is lower in a backscatter X-ray scan than in a typical medical X-ray examination, because of the shielding of the gonads used in medical radiography this in itself does not mean that the dose to the testicles would be less in an airport scan."

Similarly, they aren't shielding people's eyes, even though there is no reason not to. It's not like anyone can sneak anything through in their eyes. And yet they are getting a burst of radiation focused at their eyes.

There is a lot of controversy about the safety of this. You would think that would mean it'd really need to show that it does improve our safety to justify its use. Even though it can't detect powder (as was used by the underwear bomber) nor anything in a body crevice. There isn't any clear likelihood of it actually improving safety, there is a clear privacy violation, and there is enough reason to worry about health concerns that it seems premature to allow it.
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Yes, I think we'd all rather see security "that finds the threats quickly and reliably, without causing undue intrusion or delays to innocent passengers," but the issue is that it's hard to find a solution that would work for both. Kinda like those "good, fast, cheap" pyramid diagrams.

@8: Sadly for those of us that are het, we will get no such treatment. (I can't produce a link as proof presently, but read about it on USA Today's Travel page.) For those of you who are not, I hope you get an attractive TSA agent to screen you, if those exist. I haven't seen any yet.
29
Scientific discussion from a letter from UCSF biologists (John Sedat PhD, David Agard PhD, Marc Shuman MD, Robert Stroud PhD) to John Holdren, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, April 6 2010:

We are writing to call your attention to serious concerns about the potential health risks
of the recently adopted whole body backscatter X-ray airport security scanners. This is
an urgent situation as these X-ray scanners are rapidly being implemented as a primary
screening step for all air travel passengers.

Our overriding concern is the extent to which the safety of this scanning device has
been adequately demonstrated. This can only be determined by a meeting of an
impartial panel of experts that would include medical physicists and radiation biologists
at which all of the available relevant data is reviewed.

An important consideration is that a large fraction of the population will be subject to
the new X-ray scanners and be at potential risk, as discussed below. This raises a
number of ‘red flags’. Can we have an urgent second independent evaluation?

The Red Flags

The physics of these X-rays is very telling: the X-rays are Compton-Scattering off outer
molecule bonding electrons and thus inelastic (likely breaking bonds).

Unlike other scanners, these new devices operate at relatively low beam energies
(28keV). The majority of their energy is delivered to the skin and the underlying
tissue. Thus, while the dose would be safe if it were distributed throughout the volume
of the entire body, the dose to the skin may be dangerously high.

The X-ray dose from these devices has often been compared in the media to the cosmic
ray exposure inherent to airplane travel or that of a chest X-ray. However, this
comparison is very misleading: both the air travel cosmic ray exposure and chest X-
rays have much higher X-ray energies and the health consequences are appropriately
understood in terms of the whole body volume dose. In contrast, these new airport
scanners are largely depositing their energy into the skin and immediately adjacent
tissue, and since this is such a small fraction of body weight/vol, possibly by one to two
orders of magnitude, the real dose to the skin is now high.

In addition, it appears that real independent safety data do not exist. A search,
ultimately finding top FDA radiation physics staff, suggests that the relevant radiation
quantity, the Flux [photons per unit area and time (because this is a scanning device)]
has not been characterized. Instead an indirect test (Air Kerma) was made that
emphasized the whole body exposure value, and thus it appears that the danger is low
when compared to cosmic rays during airplane travel and a chest X-ray dose.

In summary, if the key data (flux-integrated photons per unit values) were available, it
would be straightforward to accurately model the dose being deposited in the skin and adjacent tissues using available computer codes, which would resolve the potential
concerns over radiation damage.

Our colleagues at UCSF, dermatologists and cancer experts, raise specific important
concerns:

• A) The large population of older travelers, >65 years of age, is particularly at
risk from the mutagenic effects of the X-rays based on the known biology of
melanocyte aging.

• B) A fraction of the female population is especially sensitive to mutagenesis-
provoking radiation leading to breast cancer. Notably, because these women,
who have defects in DNA repair mechanisms, are particularly prone to cancer,
X-ray mammograms are not performed on them. The dose to breast tissue
beneath the skin represents a similar risk.

• C) Blood (white blood cells) perfusing the skin is also at risk.

• D) The population of immunocompromised individuals--HIV and cancer
patients (see above) is likely to be at risk for cancer induction by the high skin
dose.

• E) The risk of radiation emission to children and adolescents does not appear to
have been fully evaluated.

• F) The policy towards pregnant women needs to be defined once the theoretical
risks to the fetus are determined.

• G) Because of the proximity of the testicles to skin, this tissue is at risk for
sperm mutagenesis.

• H) Have the effects of the radiation on the cornea and thymus been determined?

Moreover, there are a number of ‘red flags’ related to the hardware itself. Because this
device can scan a human in a few seconds, the X-ray beam is very intense. Any glitch
in power at any point in the hardware (or more importantly in software) that stops the
device could cause an intense radiation dose to a single spot on the skin. Who will
oversee problems with overall dose after repair or software problems? The TSA is
already complaining about resolution limitations; who will keep the manufacturers
and/or TSA from just raising the dose, an easy way to improve signal-to-noise and get
higher resolution? Lastly, given the recent incident (on December 25th), how do we
know whether the manufacturer or TSA, seeking higher resolution, will scan the groin
area more slowly leading to a much higher total dose?

After review of the available data we have already obtained, we suggest that additional
critical information be obtained, with the goal to minimize the potential health risks of total body scanning. One can study the relevant X-ray dose effects with modern
molecular tools. Once a small team of appropriate experts is assembled, an
experimental plan can be designed and implemented with the objective of obtaining
information relevant to our concerns expressed above, with attention paid to completing
the information gathering and formulating recommendations in a timely fashion.

We would like to put our current concerns into perspective. As longstanding UCSF
scientists and physicians, we have witnessed critical errors in decisions that have
seriously affected the health of thousands of people in the United States. These
unfortunate errors were made because of the failure to recognize potential adverse
outcomes of decisions made at the federal level. Crises create a sense of urgency that
frequently leads to hasty decisions where unintended consequences are not recognized.
Examples include the failure of the CDC to recognize the risk of blood transfusions in
the early stages of the AIDS epidemic, approval of drugs and devices by the FDA
without sufficient review, and improper standards set by the EPA, to name a few.
Similarly, there has not been sufficient review of the intermediate and long-term effects
of radiation exposure associated with airport scanners. There is good reason to believe
that these scanners will increase the risk of cancer to children and other vulnerable
populations. We are unanimous in believing that the potential health consequences
need to be rigorously studied before these scanners are adopted. Modifications that
reduce radiation exposure need to be explored as soon as possible.

In summary we urge you to empower an impartial panel of experts to reevaluate the
potential health issues we have raised before there are irrevocable long-term
consequences to the health of our country. These negative effects may on balance far
outweigh the potential benefit of increased detection of terrorists.
31
All the commenters defending the TSA are dumb.

No, really.
32
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33
Would it embarrass the TSA people if you insist on being screened in public? I don't necessarily mind disrobing in front of other passengers.
34
Would it embarrass the TSA people if you insist on being screened in public? I don't necessarily mind disrobing in front of other passengers.
35
Just want to throw it out there that the TSA is sending children thru the scanner. This is producing an image of the children naked. When children send naked pictures of themselves via text, they are put on the sexual offender list.
36
Four Loko being banned in 4 states...seen as dangerous...4L Pushers under scrutiny!!

New York's liquor regulators said that they had determined there was insufficient evidence to show that the products were safe.

"We have an obligation to keep products that are potentially hazardous off the shelves, and there is simply not enough research to show that these products are safe," said Dennis Rosen, chairman of the state Liquor Authority, in the statement.


http://online.wsj.com/article/APe42ba5dc…

37
You have several choices:
1) drive
2) Amtrak
3) Greyhound
4) crawl, pushing a peanut with your nose (reserved for GOP/TP'ers only)
5) receive a mild frisk or x-ray that does more to protect other passengers from you than it does to protect you (a terrorist?)
6) be awakened by screams during your flight and look out the window to see an office building a few hundred feet away from you approaching at 550mph

There are no other options.

1) Get vaporized in a conflagration of thousands of gallons of charcoal lighter (that's what jet fuel is, basically: kerosene) with twisted, melting aluminum and burning, stinking, bloodshot flesh.
... or ...
2) Act like a sensible, responsible adult and let the guy/gal TSA official either x-ray or frisk you. Your Richard or Udders aren't so big they will make the guy/gal faint.

"How can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?"
38
I'm still waiting for someone who objects to being professionally searched say they would rather be a passenger on a hijacked airliner that will be flown into an office building.

Well... we're all waiting with bated breath. Who's first?

I think it should be a strip-search with cavity checks and x-rays.
39
You see, your "freedom" to become a Crispy Critter ends where my freedom NOT to become one begins.

If you don't like the rules, don't play the game, but don't stand on the sidelines whining about all the big kids treating you like a baby. Before you come back here with more inane "freedom from search" blather, get your mommy to clean out your diapers.
40
If they strip-search Lindsay, I'll volunteer to be a witness that she's safe, but that's all... I've sworn off coke whores and alky chicks.
42
I would rather be on a hijacked airliner that will be flown into an office building than read any more of your ill reasoned garbage.

Do you really think your presentation of the issue is logical or fair? That if nobody elects to hypothetically be flown into a building when given the choice between that and some other undesirable option, then it gives full legitimacy to that other option?

The direct issue here is not privacy or inconvenience. It's effectiveness. The whole point is that these security measures are not going to end up preventing your plane from flying into a building. Someone with the intent to cause harm is not going to be stopped by a full body scan or fondling or anything else. It is not an either/or situation.

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This is my new air travel T-Shirt. I'm a professional consultant, so I anticipate that I'll get to wear it quite often:

http://i.imgur.com/zB7xt.png
44
Oh I have a helpful idea to make us more like the Israelis! Lets put up this really big wall and it'll help make us more safe, and anybody that isn't quite like us (i.e. a threat) lets make them constantly go through security checks so we can vet their threat level. Who cares how long they were there?! Israelification: the way of America's future.
45
Still waiting for this Charles Farley nitwit to say one thing that isn't worthless. Maybe they could adjust his medication.
46
1. TSA has upped the level from "frisk" to "aggressive frisk".
2. Some think this has crossed a "line". Some do not.
3. The next "up the level" I think would be a cavity search, similar to in a prison.
4. Does anyone believe this level would not be crossing that "line"???
Just curious.
Ron...
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1. TSA has upped the level from "frisk" to "aggressive frisk".
2. Some think this has crossed a "line". Some do not.
3. The next "up the level" I think would be a cavity search, similar to in a prison.
4. Does anyone believe this level would not be crossing that "line"???
Just curious.
Ron...
48
Sorry about double post, can't delete
49
this article is older than dirt in internet ages

welcome to 2 years ago
50
Matt Skala had the definitive word on this topic.

http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/13
51
@24,
Ah, got it... I think, like the Stewart/Maddow interview, we were having two different conversations.
52
Our own Maria Cantwell sits on the Senate's Commerce, Science & Transportation Committee. They're holding a TSA oversight meeting this Wednesday the 17th.

If you're concerned about this, perhaps a quick call or email wouldn't go amiss?
53
Can I choose which guard molests me? I don't mind being fondled but I like to have a say in who does it.
54
National Opt Out Day on Nov 24: http://www.optoutday.com/

Do it, and file a complaint with the TSA. Make your outrage heard.
55
As long as they don't have an extra charge for touching me "down there" I'm fine with it. I just hate those extra charges you face with every little service they used to offer for free.
56
Related: http://therealjoeg.blogspot.com/2010/11/…

Glenn Greenwald was tweeting on the subject yesterday quite a bit.
57
@37 - We have several choices.

1. Stop initiating illegal wars.
2. Stop occupying other countries with a massive military presence.
3. Stop killing innocent civilians.
4. Stop giving "no-bid" contracts to major corporations who just happen to be our (then-standing) VP's previous employer.
5. Stop torturing people in illegal prisons.
6. Stop forcing abusive "neoliberal" economic agendas down other countries throats...

In short, stop giving small, politically motivated groups the reasons to recruit and engage in global guerilla warfare against the U.S.

Seems pretty simple to me.

To say otherwise is to argue that the US should keep on abusing other countries.
59
Charles Y. Farley didn't even get the joke right. It's Charles U. Farley.

Christ, people.
60
My husband is lactose intolerant. I think he'd find it hilarious if he had a giant glass of milk before going through security and let out a huge fart mid-frisk. Would that count as bio-terrorism?
61
My husband is lactose intolerant. I think he'd find it hilarious if he had a giant glass of milk before going through security and let out a huge fart mid-frisk. Would that count as bio-terrorism
62
My husband is lactose intolerant. I think he'd find it hilarious if he had a giant glass of milk before going through security and let out a huge fart mid-frisk. Would that count as bio-terrorism?
63
Sorry for the triple (?!) post... New to the site and figuring out its quirks.
64
Wear kilts to fly. Wear them in the approved manner (nothing under this garment is worn, all is in fine working order!).
65
Interesting idea, Geni - I wonder if it would work. (I know of at least two instances where Southwest has refused to board male passengers for wearing a skirt.)
66
And what about children? Sounds like a pedophile's paradise to me.
67
I'm all for the opt-out day...it will make the normal line fast. I feel like I'm reading paranoid rantings from some Alex Jones type site...body scanner radiation is the new fluoride, apparently.
68
An account of what occured at San Diego International when the author refused both scanning and physical search (but offered to be subject to metal detector), and the events following that refusal:
http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/2010/11/t…
69
Just wear a swimsuit and when you get to the "optional" scan line take all your clothes off, throw them in a bin and say "No, perv."

"Touch my junk and I'll sue you. I'm an American citizen, not a Sheep."
70
@66 for the win.

Where else can you make $10 an hour to do that?
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@67 - While flouride has little if any science backing it's "fiendishness", and plenty supporting it's ability to re-mineralize teeth, these "back-scatter" x-ray scanners have a beyond-reasonable-doubt that they have cancer-causing negative health effects.

Aside from that, they are disgustingly invasive. The scanners AND the "aggressive frisk" pat down should not be tolerated by non-criminal people.

If you have committed a violent act, then sure, you lose some of your rights and get patted down when the police have you in custody. If you have NOT committed some crime, then why should you be subjected to someone touching your genitals?

Look at it this way, just because a few people walking around our city have --or are about to-- commit a violent crime on someones (rob a bank, shoot a bus driver, mug a person, rape a person)... does that give the police the right to "aggressively frisk" every or any random person walking down the street? Do we "aggressively frisk" or subject people to harmful x-rays whenever they want to rent a U-haul or Penske truck? (Or equivalently, put fertilizer detectors in rental trucks?)

To treat an entire class of people --millions of humans-- as criminals, based on the actions of ...what?... two people? is an affront to the alleged liberty the US claims to uphold.

If this is allowed to stand, then the terrorists have truly won a key battle already.
We are scared of them.
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"I don’t know why everybody is running to buy these expensive and useless machines. I can overcome the body scanners with enough explosives to bring down a Boeing 747. That’s why we haven’t put them in our airport,"
--Rafi Sela said, referring to Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion International Airport, which has some of the toughest security in the world.

WeWontFly.com
73
Whatever, I'll stick with walking through the scanners with a semi-boner.
74
Here's a music video ditty Legion Within penned for our good friends @ TSA...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUXReg3k-…
75
I am seriously considering wearing my Feeldoe when I opt out of the x-ray. Just imagine:

Thecheesegirl: I'm pregnant; I don't want to subject my baby to that kind of radiation. Can I get a pat-down instead?
TSA goon: *pat pat pat grope grope* Um... ma'am?
Thecheesegirl: Oh, right! *pulls Feeldoe out, plops it into goon's hand* Sorry about that, forgot it was there! Anyway, continue!

Then again, $100 is a lot to spend on something just to all but purposely have it confiscated by the government.

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