News Oct 3, 2011 at 1:01 pm

Our Joe the Plumber Is a Lot Smarter Than Their Joe the Plumber

Dan Savage
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Do you approve of the Confederate cap and grey shirt?
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe on October 3, 2011 at 1:08 PM Report this
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OMG I would have loved to see how they would have tried to spin this if it aired. You sir are awesome! This deserves repost.
Andee on October 3, 2011 at 1:14 PM Report this
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@1 Do you have anything more pointless to address?
Delishuss on October 3, 2011 at 1:14 PM Report this
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#4

The Blue:

http://www.fun-shop.com/show_image.php?i…

And the Grey:

http://baystatecostumes.com/CNWebSite105…

Supreme Ruler Of The Universe on October 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM Report this
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It's not grey.It's navy blue- the color the Union Army fought under.

I have a friend of mine that likes to wear Civil War era stuff like that, and it's all memorabilia from the Union Army, such as belt buckles that say "USA" rather than CSA.

Statler N Waldorf on October 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM Report this
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Any child support payments he still owes? Any back taxes? Seriously, might want to do a background check before you prop this guy up on a high pillar.

There were a number of black women who refused to move to the back of the bus, but only one of them had a clean background.
Kinison on October 3, 2011 at 1:23 PM Report this
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I don't have a tee-vee and if I did, it wouldn't be tuned to Faux News. Did this clip actually air?
cheakamus on October 3, 2011 at 1:24 PM Report this
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Good god. If I were gay I'd make this man's crotch a wonderland.
DeaconBlues on October 3, 2011 at 1:24 PM Report this
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That is a Fox reporter? Really?
ejamadoodle on October 3, 2011 at 1:29 PM Report this
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Heavy detail over at dailyKos, where the dude is a known quantity.
RonK, Seattle on October 3, 2011 at 1:30 PM Report this
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@8 So I guess not. May as well not waste your breath talking to a Faux News reporter. A few years ago at an anti-Iraq war protest I was approached by a Channel 13 reporter in Westlake Plaza. Refusing to talk to him and doing my best to discourage anyone else from doing so pissed him off more than anything I could have said (which would inevitably been twisted and reduced to a 5-second sound bite designed to make me look as ludicrous as possible).
cheakamus on October 3, 2011 at 1:53 PM Report this
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Extensive OWS and earlier blogging by Jesse "Ministry of Truth" La Greca here:
http://www.dailykos.com/blog/MinistryOfT…
RonK, Seattle on October 3, 2011 at 1:56 PM Report this
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@12,
It could have been worse. Remember James O'Keefe, the guy that made those videos about ACORN? He took all this footage and re-edited it to make his target look bad.

Fox could easily have done the same. There's no law against editing raw footage any way that you want to. And it's very easy to make anyone, no matter how good-hearted or intelligent, look bad that way. And after they scandalize you, you're not going to get a chance to defend yourself or tell your side of the story to anyone.

I avoid Fox and unknown people wielding cameras for exactly this reason. I'll talk to people if I know they're not going to destroy my reputation. But not Fox, and not unknown individuals.
Statler N Waldorf on October 3, 2011 at 2:02 PM Report this
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Thanks for the links, RonK. Sharply honed stuff.
gloomy gus on October 3, 2011 at 2:06 PM Report this
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Wow, shouldn't this guy be running for office?
ankylosaur on October 3, 2011 at 2:16 PM Report this
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I reject any suggestion that the man's headwear was not the reason he was approached for a sound byte. Clearly the crew fell for it.
saxfanatic on October 3, 2011 at 2:51 PM Report this
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@17, maybe it was, but it's their ignorance if they fail to recognize the color of the Union Army in the US Civil War.

Maybe we should all take up this fashion statement as a trap for Republicans. If we all dress up like Generals Sherman or Grant, will they make the error of exposing their vulnerabilities to us, thinking we are fellow travelers rather than the proud inheritors of the traditions fought for by their ancient enemies?
Statler N Waldorf on October 3, 2011 at 2:55 PM Report this
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I want to gay-marry that guy.
Boltz3000 on October 3, 2011 at 3:03 PM Report this
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But I thought the wall street protestors were just stupid, dirty fucking hippies with no message...
Pol Pot on October 3, 2011 at 3:11 PM Report this
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I suppose the Fox "reporter" saw a guy in a funny hat at a protest and associated him with tea party nitwits in funny hats. Oops.
Samuel on October 3, 2011 at 3:13 PM Report this
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Sorry, anyone who says "propaganda machine" is not smart.
KittenKoder on October 3, 2011 at 3:30 PM Report this
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@22: You just said it, not I!
venomlash on October 3, 2011 at 4:00 PM Report this
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PROPAGANDA MACHINE!
issa on October 3, 2011 at 5:13 PM Report this
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@22 Yeah, how dare he call Fox News what it actually is...
Tetchy Brit on October 3, 2011 at 11:04 PM Report this
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@22, why? Do you think there is no such thing?

I mean, I get your "let's not resort to emotional accusations / let's think about facts and arguments instead" stance. But in Fox News' case, the phrase seems to fit descriptively. Or do you have evidence to the contrary.
ankylosaur on October 4, 2011 at 12:23 AM Report this
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As for "propaganda machine", he's talking to Fox News, which works for the Republican Party. It is not an independent news organization, and is always mindful of its purpose when it chooses which stories to report on and in what way. Therefore its purpose is propaganda and not news.

Meanwhile, I don't know anything about the specifics of the hat but I agree with @17 that that was why he was approached. However, I can tell you by his accent that he is from the mid-atlantic and it's very unlikely that he has any confederate sympathies.
Rebecca from Philly on October 4, 2011 at 3:11 AM Report this
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Newsflash..the entire corporate media industry in this country is a "propaganda machine". If you want real news you need to check out Democracy Now. If you don't realize that your nightly news is corporate propaganda...you'd have made the perfect German in 1935 and Joesph Goebbels salutes your loyalty.
Cato the Younger Younger on October 4, 2011 at 4:13 AM Report this
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What does this have to do with Joe the Plumber?
Belle Starr on October 4, 2011 at 6:54 AM Report this
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Great interview! I think I'm ever-so-slightly now in love with this guy.
Frau Blucher on October 4, 2011 at 8:09 AM Report this
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He's hot. I could listen to that clip over and over again!
idaho on October 4, 2011 at 7:11 PM Report this
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eloquent, articulate, on message and sharp! Damn it's good to hear someone speak the truth
j.utah on October 5, 2011 at 5:16 AM Report this

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