News May 29, 2012 at 8:28 am

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Dominic Holden
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The flesh-eating bacteria link leads back to the Slog.
suddenlyorcas on May 29, 2012 at 8:50 AM Report this
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Yeah, but it's on Slog, so odds are it's NSFW.
MacCrocodile on May 29, 2012 at 8:52 AM Report this
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#1: In sooo many ways.
DMonaghan on May 29, 2012 at 8:54 AM Report this
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Oh I see, someone hit crossing a street is the same as a drive by. Thanks for the laugh.
on May 29, 2012 at 8:56 AM Report this
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Good link on that Portage Bay thing. How dare WSDOT release several designs the community asked them to help come up with, aspects of which disappoint some Montlake residents, ordinarily the least finicky Seattleites?

Honestly, WSDOT is acting as if they were some sort of public agency working on a big project to replace something before it collapses. It's insane. What a nerve.
gloomy gus on May 29, 2012 at 9:08 AM Report this
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Here is the correct link: Family Counters Flesh Eating Bacteria wi….

Idiot couple - Dom? Really? The poor girl has been in the hospital with doctors doing everything possible. But for those that think that spirituality and faith has no place in medicine there's plenty of miracle stories to make you scratch your head. If I were her mother I'd be praying to Jesus, Buddah, cats, Endora, Samantha, you name it!
Phoebe in Wallingford on May 29, 2012 at 9:09 AM Report this
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Couldn't the news have been posted with an embedded link to a Star Wars scene and some tangentially related allegory? Would be so much more engaging that way.
mikethehammer on May 29, 2012 at 9:29 AM Report this
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Dom, give the family a break. Nothing wrong with prayer, as long as the afflicted ALSO seeks proper medical attention. And the girl DID make a pretty miraculous recovery.
venomlash on May 29, 2012 at 9:31 AM Report this
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The benefits of prayer to whatever god one choses is to the pray-er personally, though, not to other people. So perhaps the girl's faith helped her body to heal, but I understand she was unconscious for most of this time. So for the family to say that it was prayer that saved her and not her own fortitude or, you know, the medicine, seems unlikely.
Allyn on May 29, 2012 at 9:50 AM Report this
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You're right, Dom. The medical care that saved her is the result of science. Years of research and medical schools. A lot of people pray only to have their kids die horrible deaths. It may make this couple feel better but it didn't save anyone's life.
Vince on May 29, 2012 at 9:51 AM Report this
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Good morning, Venomlash. I think it's wonderful to pray for the sick, but it's stupid to think that prayer is what saved that girl.
Dominic Holden on May 29, 2012 at 10:04 AM Report this
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Miracles are only miracles when we do not understand the physical realitites of what we are dealing with.

If prayer did anything, the wealthy would be paying people to pray for them.

Also, I would have gotten so many more snow days in elementary school.
Theodore Gorath on May 29, 2012 at 10:07 AM Report this
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Ugh, "realities."

If we can ascribe good things to god, does that mean I can blame my typo on it/him/her too?
Theodore Gorath on May 29, 2012 at 10:08 AM Report this
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The beginning of the zombie apocalypse? WTF?
tacomagirl on May 29, 2012 at 10:17 AM Report this
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The assumption that prayer and medicine are mutually exclusive is misguided. Sometimes, the body reverses course and healing begins which is interpreted as a miracle and possibly the result of prayer or positive thinking; and other times, as Vince says, prayer can't keep kids from dying.
Nevertheless Dom, to say that that their parents are stupid or idiots is heartless. They obviously took the course of conventional medicine; and I seriously doubt that any of her doctors feel slighted in the least that prayer was in the mix.
Phoebe in Wallingford on May 29, 2012 at 10:32 AM Report this
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I'm with Phoebe on this one. It's not like the girl's family said "screw medicine, prayer is all we need." To ridicule them for praying and thanking God IN ADDITION TO relying on doctors and modern medicine seems like a dick move.
Georgia Guy on May 29, 2012 at 10:46 AM Report this
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Obviously guns don't kill people, folk music kills people.

Prayer gives you a +5% bonus usually, you'd be surprised at how what you believe can impact your survival.
Will in Seattle on May 29, 2012 at 11:05 AM Report this
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Oh, and the still unfunded still not even slightly reasonable SR-99 Tunnel that we couldn't afford even if we could afford the SR-520 bridge, ftw.

Cause nobody paid attention to why 520 can't get enough funding ...
Will in Seattle on May 29, 2012 at 11:08 AM Report this
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If we don't get to ridicule people for people hilariously stupid, then what the fuck can we ridicule people for? Being handicapped by some accident of birth? Being stupid is at least to some large extent the person's own fault. But hey, I'm willing to look at the data to see whether people that are prayed for generally heal faster and shit: http://www.ahjonline.com/article/PIIS000…

Oh hey, I guess the data doesn't bear out this ancient hunch that our mumbled promises to invisible and unestablished to actually exist deities affects what happens in the world. So can we all just agree to move on until different data comes in?
OuterCow on May 29, 2012 at 11:11 AM Report this
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*If we don't get to ridicule people for *being* hilariously stupid

ha
OuterCow on May 29, 2012 at 11:13 AM Report this
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#20

Why are they considering design options if they've already built the pontoons?

Supreme Ruler Of The Universe on May 29, 2012 at 11:20 AM Report this
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JIZ IS MY FAVORITE. The second drug episode is the best. And the abortion song a la carte.
icouldliveinhope on May 29, 2012 at 11:23 AM Report this
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@23 the "bridge" goes from all the way from the other highway to the east (Eastern Approach - mostly funded), then the bridge (pontoons about 80 pct, 20 pct is the landings either end), the moveable section included, then the Western Approach from the landing on the West to the Montlake Cut and over to I-5.

The almost entirely unfunded part is this Western Approach, which includes the Montlake Bridge (well, two, really).

All of this exceeds bonding authority for City, County, Port, State, without a vote and funding source. Which the SR-99 Tunnel Of Debt also "claims" - but you can't have two projects use the same bonding funding source, hence the UNFUNDED part.
Will in Seattle on May 29, 2012 at 11:28 AM Report this
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As to why?

Cause they think you're all stupid enough not to realize that.
Will in Seattle on May 29, 2012 at 11:29 AM Report this
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That young woman and her family are very fortunate to have so much faith. She lost her left leg, her right foot, and both her hands. She's going to need every bit of spiritual help she can get.

Calling them idiotic for beliefs that are helping them so much at such a difficult time is atheist dogmatism at its worst.
Irena on May 29, 2012 at 11:39 AM Report this
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I think it was from PRI RadioLab where I learned that scientific experiments have shown praying for an ill person's recovery will improve that person's chances. It's, so far, a measurable but inexplicable effect.
NotSean on May 29, 2012 at 11:43 AM Report this
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As a lifelong athiest I kind of admire people who have a belief in God. It must be nice to have somebody else to blame when you fuck up your life (it is all part of his plan) or to have somebody to thank when things are going your way.

These people aren't stupid, for thanking God - but they would be stupid if they had chosen to give God the full responsibility for saving their daughter. If they want to believe God helped the doctors, then let em' believe it. At least they got the doctors involved!
Badger on May 29, 2012 at 12:03 PM Report this
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The only thing I can think of re: the face chewing incident: PCP. Lots of PCP.
Mischa Vainburg on May 29, 2012 at 12:10 PM Report this
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Centuries of accumulated prayers negotiating humanity's relationship with God led to their daughter getting a flesh-eating disease. Or it's a medical issue. If the cure is open to interpretation then the cause is as well.
bedipped on May 29, 2012 at 1:27 PM Report this
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@21 Or you could choose to show a little compassion toward a young woman who now has no feet and no hands, and is undoubtedly having major trouble coping with her new reality, as is as her family. OMG, they turned to their faith tradition for comfort. Who cares? As others have said, at least they didn't withold medical treatment in favor of prayer.

You can ridicule whoever you want on the general principle that prayer doesn't work as a medical cure. But in this case? You just sound like a fucking dick.
Hernandez on May 29, 2012 at 1:57 PM Report this
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@12: My point is that there's no reason to be mean to them. When their daughter came down with a life-threatening illness, they took her to the hospital and had her treated. Maybe she got lucky. Maybe she was saved by divine intervention. There's no way to know, and her parents aren't hurting anybody.
Like Irena said at #27, the last thing they need now is for somebody to belittle their faith.
venomlash on May 29, 2012 at 4:34 PM Report this

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