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My guess about the "public health precaution" is that they do not want people getting sick from eating rotting food. Seems to me the better solution would be to collect the food the supermarkets are about to toss, and distribute what you can.
But I guess that would cost money, and with austerity and all...
There are enough skills, goods, and willing labor to go around. EVERYBODY could be fed, everybody could be housed, and everybody could be working or doing something. But what is the problem? What is in short supply? Money.
Only that. The scarcity of money itself is starving people.
And it's only going to get worse, because compound-interest debt is *always* more than the amount of money floating around. And will always be more, and will always increase.
So the difference is made up by forcing some people/businesses/countries to go bankrupt so that others can be rich.
This is a crime.
Still "put a lock on the dumpster" is not the best solution to widespread hunger. I'm used to the U.S., where food is cheap and readily wasted, but is there truly nothing that could be made available?
It also seems possible that some scavengers are strewing garbage around the dumpsters, attracting rodents to the mess.
esto es en madrid en esperanza - this is hope in Madrid
WHO's bad choices exactly? Politicians and bankers bad choices perhaps? I highly doubt the average worker or student or small business owner made any choices that led to an economic collapse. Sounds more like the standard abusive, neoliberal economic tactics brought once again by the IMF-ECB-EU.
And don't give me any of that "oh, they're only following the ruuules" crap. Money is a tool of human beings, and we can either help each other, or beat each other with it. The path of pain is being chosen.
16, Kvetching with hindsight about what "should never have" happened is facile and pointless. Let's deal with how to get people out of the situation and not let it happen again.
Regardless of whether people think "oh the Spanish and Greeks are lazy" or whatever stupid cultural stereotypes you wish to promulgate, the fact is that there are people willing and able to work, and willing and able to make a basic, decent living without having to forage in garbage cans. But they are not allowed to do so because money is artificially scarce due to "austerity" measures and interest rate manipulations, required by "international banking entities" who put debt repayments on money before commodities and people.
This is a crime.
This is good ol' neoliberal wealth extraction executed by the IMF-ECB-EU via punitive and extortionary money practices. The problem is NOT a lack of "productivity" or labor, or goods, or skills... it's a restriction of capital done specifically to make it more valuable, so that the lenders can obtain their pound of flesh from the backs of the working classes. This bankers and politicians valuing debt-payments over human necessities. Cash over commodities and labor. A classic maneuver that has been executed against the third world time and time again.
10,16, Saying in hindsight that Gr/Sp shouldn't have joined the Euro is facile and pointless. It was done, and you had no part in that decision. Let's address the issue at hand and how to fix it, and how to ensure it doesn't happen again. Because if we continue with the blind pursuit of money über alles these crises will only keep happening.
22. I didn't once say that the Germans should be doing more to help the Greeks and Spanish. Don't put words in my mouth.
Furthermore, all national currency systems are the same. They are all positive interest currencies. And as such, they are all subject to the exact type of crises being exploited in this situation. Debt is incurred, loans are offered by the IMF et.al., but only at abusive rates... slashing social programs, raising the interest rate to absurd levels, and sucking cash out of the local economy, leaving people to forage in dumpsters. It's no different in any country, it's the exact same currency type.
As long as we let the bankers/wealthy run the game, we're all pretty much fucked.
This is what socialist welfarism brings
Everyone else: This is the concept of "smaller government" in practice. Enjoy your Republican mantras.
I spent several years being homeless, dumpster dived, and live in squats both here and in Europe.
Also the Spanish tend to be lazy and demanding as fuck. I worked with the Red Cross at the G8 camps in Germany, It gave me a special kind of contempt for the Spanish.
I guess it is shocking for liberal pantywaist who think everything should be handed out for free, paid for with someone else's money.
Does anyone else find these (now regular) images of police beating unarmed protesters as disturbing as I do?
Social democrat-style redistribution can serve as a safety valve for an unequal system. Unfortunately, it only managed to last about 40 years before the process of dismantling it started in earnest. Even though the best conservative economists like Hayek understood that success in capitalism was mostly a roll of the dice, it didn't stop conservative politicians from turning it into a moral issue. The unsuccessful were lazy, and deserve to live miserably. Clearly, the argument resonates with people even if it's disastrous over the long term.
Beyond that, for the reasons I mentioned earlier I don't think merely returning to a social democratic welfare state is a viable option. The relationships of production need to be fundamentally altered so that those affected by environmental damage, inequality, and excessive labor demands are the ones making the choices. Worker of corporations democratically selecting their own board of directors, and devolving decisions to the lowest possible level qould be a start.