We did indeed make a mistake rejecting this in 2005. We could have rail to Ballard and West Seattle up and running by now. But in that time we've finally gotten Sound Transit to actually plan rail to Ballard, and they're in the process of planning rail to West Seattle. Construction - not planning, but actual steel in the ground construction - could be funded by an ST3 measure in November 2016. It's taken way too long, but finally, Sound Transit is closer to building rail to those destinations than would be a new monorail. So I'm sorry, monorail, I voted for you every time it was on the ballot in the past, but your time is up. Not this year.
We should have built it last time. If we were voting about turning back the clock and finishing what we started, it would be a resounding yes.
But we're well on the way towards a real subway for that corridor now. And this vote is to fund a (redundant) study for a monorail, not the monorail itself.
Why wouldn't we just spend this money on more Link. ST has a proven track record of properly managing and budgeting lightrail projects. (UW Link is under budget and early). Why create ANOTHER agency?
If only the Stranger advocated (wrote about) on behalf of the Ballard to U district proposed line as it did for the 15$ an hour wage or legalized pot, we might be able to pass ST3 in 2016. .
We've seen this movie before, and it did not end well. Probably the biggest pure waste of taxpayer dollars in the history of Seattle. Some $125m expended and absolutely nothing to show for it.
This will push West Seattle and Ballard back out of SoundTransit long range planning so nothing gets done to meet their transit needs until 2040.
If it weren't for the last monorail proposal we'd be arguing about which properties would be destroyed for West Seattle and Ballard stops now rather than Bellevue and Redmond stops.
Sounds nice, but given the last debacle surrounding a city-wide monorail (and despite - what? - five separate votes, only the last of which apparently counted - because it actually defeated the financing plan like its opponents wanted) I'm not going to hold my breath.
The problem with this is the same problem as our last go-round with the monorail. We don't need another agency, we need the existing transit agencies to be receptive to all available technologies in creating a region wide rapid transit network.
I still believe monorail is the best technology for a Ballart to West Seattle run, but it needs to be built in a way where if ridership outpaces capacity it can be split into 2 lines meeting in the middle.
Monorail, costs less than digging tunnels, can be built quicker, is less disruptive of the surrounding area during construction, and takes up less visual space than light rail. Most importantly, it doesn't get stuck in fucking traffic like the bus!
@21 and when it snows, the monorail/light rail still runs and doesn't sit with the cars in traffic that doesn't move like the buses.
Hell, I'll vote for it. Lets throw as many right of way transit initiatives against the wall and see what sticks, which potentially could mean more rapid transit.
@22, given our history of never seeming to be able to get anything built around here I agree. We may eventually need an additional form of transit beyond what is being built right now. We need to have the structure in place to get rid of the vast majority of cars on the roads now not in 30 years.
I'll vote yes. This is about long term transit options that we will need more of in 10-20 years or more not what will barely meet our needs now once it's finished.
Is this the same Elizabeth Campbell who ran for Mayor in 2009 and declared, "There's a war on cars and I don't support it”? If so, it seems odd that she's advocating for a citywide car-tab fee.
What the fuck is it with Seattle? Repeating pattern of creating yet another agency to get 8 different votes, then hire somebody incompetent to totally fuck it up. I paid almost $3000 into the last monorail fuckup (which I even supported). If you want to repeat the same pattern, maybe give those of us who already got screwed a break and let the new batch of suckers get robbed.
Seattle will never, ever have sensible mass transit. Give up already.
Oh sure, Sound Transit is thinking about possibly planning to consider it sometime in the next century. By 2175, we could have light rail to West Seattle! We'll be two-hundred-gawddam-years-old, but still!!
WTF happened to the tax money King Countians shelled out last time! Hey maybe if we if we combine it with a tunnel under the city we can vote it all down and watch it get pushed through anyway. How bout instead of taxing people we start firing overpaid incompetent elected officials with dumb ideas!
I'll vote for anything that puts us back in charge of spending our transit dollars on our local transit problems instead of sitting on our asses for decades waiting to get consensus from Auburn Woodinville and Federal way before we can improve the situation in the urban core.
We don't let woodinville voters approve every new streetlight or street improvent in Seattle, why do we bow to them before we can improve our transit?
I just wish Seattle would just DO something. As a current Kitappalachian, and a native New Englander, I would love it if I didn't have to drive into Seattle every time I came across the ferry when I needed to go to the UW for the Dr, or Greenlake to see my brother, or Ballard to our current job site. It would be so much nicer to be able to walk on the ferry and catch a fast, reliable mode of transportation to where I need to go (ie not 45-75 minutes plus 2 transfers on buses that only run until 10pm)
If it gets close enough to the stadium district to act as a feeder for game day traffic, then this might be useful. Not as useful as a Lander Street Overpass for the Port, but still useful.
However, $2.4B is pretty silly. $24 Billion, at least. That's not exactly Las Vegas terrain being traversed, and there are the inevitable real estate hustles to start it all off. Seattle got off lucky last time to only lose $120M, shutting down the project so there wasn't massive exposure when the Recession hit.
With the Bertha Boondoggle likely to be fresh in folks' minds for a while, getting another fancy transportation project started isn't going to happen.
honestly you guys, I'm not really sure I've fully recovered from the last time.
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by the end, I thought I needed to check myself in at the cozy neighborhood asylum for a minute. reading all this right now is causing my eye to twitch ever so slightly.
Car tabs = poison pill for me. We need more carrots and less sticks for drivers. Sorry, DOA. I am otherwise interested in alternative transportation and might otherwise vote for something like this. But for something that benefits everyone, everyone should chip in and pay. Not just car owners. Sometimes my bleeding heart cauterizes, sorry.
As a one-time enthusiast of monorail in Seattle, let me be the first to grab a nearby sharpened pitchfork and begin forming the mob that is rightfully angry about this zombie. Kill it with fire! Enough with the stupid monorail!!!
The way this poll question is phrased is ridiculous. So we should base our decision on mass transit on what mode is the most "sexy?" How about ridership totals, or cost-effectiveness, or mobility? I guess those sorts of considerations are too prosaic for The Stranger. Good grief!
Why should the stranger be any different from our political leadership? They want to build streetcar lines because they're old-timey and they liked that Roger Rabbit movie so much.
Absolutely no! These exact same people ran the last monorail project and it failed because they are wonderful activists, but poor administrators. ST is doing a great job of building their capitial projects, which is not easy. We should fight for ST3 in 2016 to include these lines, like how Seattle Subway is doing. If we go for the monorail, ST won't work on it, and Cambell will fail, and Ballard and West Seattle will still have nothing in 20 years.
Not to mention that building a monorail is a crazy expensive way to do any transit line. There are no off the shelf parts. No one builds them. Thats really bad if you want a permanent system. Its like having a completely custom unique car. Every time something breaks you have to get a part ordered special from a machine shop. Bad business.
No. This sounds like a way to get money for her friends.
Also, what junipero said above.
We should have built it last time. If we were voting about turning back the clock and finishing what we started, it would be a resounding yes.
But we're well on the way towards a real subway for that corridor now. And this vote is to fund a (redundant) study for a monorail, not the monorail itself.
Hell no.
this former chicagoan says 'no.. get another moniker. '
It's too late now to add yet another awkwardly asserted transit option to our mish-mash of various agencies, routes, vehicles and taxes.
All Ballard needs is a Sounder North station.
If it weren't for the last monorail proposal we'd be arguing about which properties would be destroyed for West Seattle and Ballard stops now rather than Bellevue and Redmond stops.
I still believe monorail is the best technology for a Ballart to West Seattle run, but it needs to be built in a way where if ridership outpaces capacity it can be split into 2 lines meeting in the middle.
Monorail, costs less than digging tunnels, can be built quicker, is less disruptive of the surrounding area during construction, and takes up less visual space than light rail. Most importantly, it doesn't get stuck in fucking traffic like the bus!
Hell, I'll vote for it. Lets throw as many right of way transit initiatives against the wall and see what sticks, which potentially could mean more rapid transit.
I'll vote yes. This is about long term transit options that we will need more of in 10-20 years or more not what will barely meet our needs now once it's finished.
Forget it Marge, the mob has spoken.
Seattle will never, ever have sensible mass transit. Give up already.
Fool me once..
Voting Yes again.
Oh sure, Sound Transit is thinking about possibly planning to consider it sometime in the next century. By 2175, we could have light rail to West Seattle! We'll be two-hundred-gawddam-years-old, but still!!
We don't let woodinville voters approve every new streetlight or street improvent in Seattle, why do we bow to them before we can improve our transit?
There's nothing on Earth like a genuine, bona-fide, electrified, six-car monorail!
What'd I say?
However, $2.4B is pretty silly. $24 Billion, at least. That's not exactly Las Vegas terrain being traversed, and there are the inevitable real estate hustles to start it all off. Seattle got off lucky last time to only lose $120M, shutting down the project so there wasn't massive exposure when the Recession hit.
With the Bertha Boondoggle likely to be fresh in folks' minds for a while, getting another fancy transportation project started isn't going to happen.
My favorite by far is Homer's delayed reaction, "hahaha... Mule."
For anyone who missed the previous link, gosh it's worthwhile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZBPoRwo…
five.
fucking.
votes.
by the end, I thought I needed to check myself in at the cozy neighborhood asylum for a minute. reading all this right now is causing my eye to twitch ever so slightly.
Build the Monorail
Not to mention that building a monorail is a crazy expensive way to do any transit line. There are no off the shelf parts. No one builds them. Thats really bad if you want a permanent system. Its like having a completely custom unique car. Every time something breaks you have to get a part ordered special from a machine shop. Bad business.