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1
Several excellent points, Dominic, thoughtfully raised.

Some councilmembers seem to confuse talk with action, rhetoric with results. They think of the homeless the same way Republicans think of undocumented immigrants.
2
No, the best thing we can do for the poor is put on our adult pants and provide them with homes like Utah is attempting to do.

We are trying to be a civilized society here. I think it's about time we started acting like it and quit worrying about whether other people "deserve" it or not.
4
They should put that police effort into getting the dealers and bangers out of DT Seattle. The city counsel and mayor should be focused on positive ways to deal with our homeless issues in Seattle but heaven forbid anyone use common sense in the city of Seattle.
7
Your point that yet more revenue ought to be raised, and earmarked, for building more homeless shelters and low income apodments etc is laudable. (regardless that such would encourage nearby cities (we're looking at you Renton) to provide even more one-way tickets to Seattle for anyone they 'catch homeless' in their municipalities)

However, here's one thing worth keeping in mind: folks that decide to encamp in scary places like this are outside of the jurisdiction of Seattle. They're in the state's jurisdiction. So what did Washdot or the State Patrol have to say about this when contacted?
8
"The measure, defeated by five members of the council (Clark, Tim Burgess, Jean Godden, Tom Rasmussen, and Richard Conlin)..."

1 down, 4 to go.
9
We obviously need to provide them with safer places to get drop dead plastered (literally).
10
Thank you, Dominic, for reporting on this issue, and I hope you pursue it further. Sally Clark and Ed Murray's dishonest rhetoric around the City practice of harassing homeless camps out of existence is horrifying. Giving lip service to the (totally laudable, presently not possible) goal of "housing for all" and then pretending that goal is somehow incompatible with the simpler, intermediary benchmark of "condoning, monitoring, and improving large community encampments" is hugely disingenuous. And the resulting official harassment endangers and victimizes people who have already fallen off the bottom fucking rung of our social ladder. No one on the council or in the mayor's office will come out and say "Look, visible homelessness and poverty simply can't be a factor in the rich people's playground we need Seattle to fully become," but I can't imagine that's not a major part of their reasoning.
11
@10: "presently not plausible"

Bull-fucking-shit.

If you want to solve the problem, you'll find a way to make it plausible.
12
You think with so many bleeding heart liberals in Seattle, there would be enough couches to house all the bums? What gives?
13
Stay classy, trolls.
14
@10, actually, though, if one is motivated by the unsightliness of homelessness, then you should absolutely support bureaucratically managed encampments. A city managed space to set up a tent is the most pragmatic approach to solving both the safety and sanitation issues. Living in a tent is not the worst place to be, especially if some basic services are provided (like a toilet, bus stop, and a cop that stops by a few times a day).
15
Sally Clark is fucking worthless.
16
Every homeless person represents the failure of American democracy.
17
Murray is showing some pretty awful true colors lately too. Harrell will always have my vote.
18
We need to work to yadda yadda. What about tonight, assholes.
19
you can volunteer your backyard for a homeless campsite anytime you want.
22
@8 - You beat me to it.

@ 15 - Not worthless; harmful.

Trolls at @ 21, 20, 19, 12, etc. You reflect the hateful side of America.
23
Pretty much ditto Toby @22 and treehugger @2 and 11.

Great post Dominic.

This plays out on so many levels. Dominic identifies many of them here. But it goes even deeper than that. A couple of years ago the then head of Seattle's Human Services Department was working on new core principles for the Dept. She refused to include housing first and harm reduction as core goals/principles. Until the city commits itself philosophically and monetarily to housing first, all the committees and plans to end homelessness in the world don't/won't matter.
25
@16, where are these magical countries with democracies that work as evidenced by a complete absence of homeless people?
26
@22: i think i reflect the cynical, exasperated, despairing side of america. when it comes to the homeless at least. the situation is intractable.

the (suspiciously anecdotal) utah example everyone is pointing at as the solution? where is the money to pay for that in Sea/King Co/WA? where is the political will? where are the empty apartments?
27
Spending $100 to go see Angels Over America is a better investment than inviting a homeless person into your home for a tuna sandwich. Bourgeois entertainment coupled with complaints about city council is the recipe for success.
28

Houses in Canton, OH sell for $75,000

Plenty of other places as well.

29
How about putting them all in Cal Anderson Park?

30
@28, Perhaps if we'd like to save a few bucks we could just put them on some vacant land out in the Desert? Maybe put a fence around it so they don't wander off?

...now here's the thing. Most people read that above and got that it's a sarcastic reference to internment camps, Indian reservations, or otherwise imprisoning people who haven't broken any law. sROTu read it and considered it the preferable solution if only everyone else would let him do it. The same people who bemoan a lack of freedom in this country are the ones who most wish to oppress anyone who actually tries to exercise that freedom.
31
There's like only one person on the Council who gives a shit. Silly brown leftist...
32
@22

How exactly is @19 being hateful? The simple suggestion is that you offer up your own backyard to the homeless. Why don't you?

What, you don't have a heart? You reflect the hateful side of America.
33
Thank you, Dominic, for another informative news article.

This is really sad, and especially so when what encampment options are most readily available are so life threateningly dangerous.
This is what happens when the insanely rich and corrupt get exponentially richer, buy their own lobbyists and legislators, and the hell with the rest of us because we're all that much poorer.

Can Sally Clark get ousted?
34
Why.has nobody mentioned that another person fell from a similar place today?

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Woman…
35
Somewhat offtopic, when the fuck are they just gonna build a lid over I-5 from like Olive down to, say, Madison? Build a park on it and be done with this nonsense of a freeway cutting off downtown from the city's most popular neighborhoods.

Hell, the paramount could have a summer concert series in the park right in its own backyard.

It's already like half done if you count the convention center.
36
@35, because I5 is going to need to be rebuilt in Seattle in the next decade and they'd like some options as to possibly widening or reconfiguring things ?
37
#30

Most people would see the logical solution to homelessness as creating affordable and cheap housing.

That's cannot happen anywhere in Seattle or most of Washington State because of the overpriced real estate.

The only reason homeless are here is because the bureaucrats who get funding based on their existence want to be here.

It's not about helping the homeless, its about agencies paying for six figure directorships.
39
@37 you are so fucking stupid it makes my head hurt.
40
FYI concerning Utah:
http://tinyurl.com/pyuvwb8
41
Off topic but instead of pulling the trolls I think Slog should change registration to require everyone to show their first and last name as well as city they are located in. That way comments will be more along the lines of Letters to the Editor and it would clear out a lot of the assholiness of Slog.
43
@30,

SROTU is undoubtedly an idiot, but I've seen many people, bleeding heart liberals, who espouse many of the same ideas. They'll bemoan the fact that there are more empty houses than homeless people, as though the solution to homelessness is as simple as shipping the homeless to those abandoned houses, even though the abandoned houses are concentrated in shitholes (Detroit, Las Vegas, Arizona, Florida) that can't/refuse to offer the services that most chronic homeless people can't live without.

Not understanding the actual causes of homelessness and making it out to be as simple as buying homes in the middle of nowhere is a common fallacy even among the far left.
44
Actually, in a lot of cases, simply getting semi-permanent housing sorted *is* a solution to homelessness. Not having to worry about where you sleep, being able to shower regularly and safely, having an address you can put on a job application, having a relatively secure place to keep your stuff so you don't have to schlep it around everywhere--removing those barriers makes it a lot easier for folks to get and keep jobs, stay on their meds, even work toward their sobriety.
45
@44,

If this is a response to my comment, how is giving a homeless person a home in, say Detroit, an avenue toward getting that homeless person a job, given that city's lack of services and jobs?

No, it's not as simple as just giving them homes or else dumping them in the middle of the desert would be an option.
46
@25: There are as many homeless sleeping on the streets of Seattle on any given night as there are across the entirety of England.

And it's not as if the British have exactly been running an altruistic social-justice state in our Thatcher-addled lifetimes. Their housing and sheltering and rehabbing and keeping-as-many-as-possible-off-the-streets-in-the-first-place initiatives are also born of a recognition that it isn't any healthier for the general populace to let their public realms devolve into a 24/7 junkie shitshow than it is for the actors in that show.
47
@44

That's a beautiful story. And you are a naive bubble head. Keep smokin' them doobies, Seattle! It makes you real smart!
50
43 "Shitholes" like Seattle are full of thousands of empty homes. If you drive around the Southend of Seattle you can see almost one vacant home on every block, usually as a result of a foreclosure. There are plenty in the far north and in the Central District as well. There are at least a few thousand homes sitting in Seattle city limits right now. If you start looking at Skyway, White Center, Tukwila Shoreline etc there really are more empty houses than homeless people. As a society we have built a huge amount of housing, in many cases the very people that built them can't afford to live in them.

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