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It should be no surprise that the current front person doesn't have a real plan.
That's not to say that the current crop is competent at all. Seriously, of the local media, the Stranger is the most likely organization to give the issue the sort of coverage it deserves. You would think that anyone trying to sell the voters of Seattle an idea would bend over backwards to convince the editorial staff of the Stranger that they were professional enough to get it done.
This idiocy is just one example. The Stranger was one of the biggest monorail advocates last time. Stranger readers are probably more predisposed to support this kind of idea, being largely fans of transit. So blowing off The Stranger is a terrible political move. Nothing like going out of your way to alienate one of your potential allies. Dumb, dumb move.
"The ballot measure calls for the new transportation authority to be governed by an interim board of nine members, six of whom are listed in the petition and three of whom would be appointed by the listed six. The listed six are people pushing the proposal, including Campbell."
Politicking is the art of selling your campaign to enough people to win, not acting like a self centered, petulant brat who can't be bothered sell your campaign at all.
In politics, "build it and they will come" does not apply.
It's impossible for me to resist quoting that classic Simpsons episode every time this monorail issue comes up.
Anyone who (A) had a sincere interest in the ETC and the Green Line project and (B) has a clue ... has by now coalesced around Seattle Subway and the effort to build light rail along the Ballard-downtown corridor as part of Sound Transit 3. And in the interest of being grade-separated through downtown, there's going to have to be a new tunnel through downtown. And yes, voters in our Sound Transit subarea are going to be willing to pay for that.
Elizabeth Campbell's appointment-keeping capabilities are nothing more than a sideshow. Come to think of it, her little monorail campaign is itself nothing more than a sideshow.
She is a West Seattle treasure.
So, No, she would be unable to achieve a productive outcome.
I voted Yes on the monorail vote that promised things that it simply could not deliver, even though I would not likely ever ride it. I do think there are situations and projects that rise to the "good of the city" status. A monorail just didn't get there. Handing Campbell $2,000,000.00 to explore a very expensive solution to a problem that could be solved with more flexible solutions is not something I am going to do.
No, hell no.
I think she would damage this city's ability to find and fund comprehensive solutions to anything she involves herself in.
Yup, voting for the monorail - maybe this one will use minimalist stations and avoid stupid bridge choices
People seem to forget the last attempt cost 124 million dollars, seriously, 124 million for nothing. Seattle wasted 10 million on fancy self cleaning toilets, but at least they still had toilets.
"Your time is not more valuable than mine. You have the same 24 hours I do."
That's my second favorite quote of the year!
And truthfully, there is nothing, including actually building a overcost monorail, that Campbell and the board could do to even scratch the surface of the expense and disaster that is the tunnel.
But, Campbell really blew this one. Politically, for a measure that goes against the status quo, one has to have the Stranger at least neutral, and preferably positive toward your objective.
A board like this measure envisions will have to function politically, even if it is fighting against the tide of the status quo. She's indicating she doesn't posses the minimum necessary skills to do that.
There was no practical reason of any kind for her to have said this: "Your time is not more valuable than mine. You have the same 24 hours I do."
When one is campaigning, you are ALWAYS asking for everyone else's time, even if it is only to fill in your bubble on the ballot.
The monorail did not die because it was a bad idea. It died because the politicians business backers could not make enough money from it. A train that does not get into accidents will not need replacement cars, so the train co. loses profits there. The tires will only need to be replaced about twice a century, so no windfall for the tire company.
It's still the better technology. Grade separated. Costs less to build. Less disruptive to other traffic during construction. Less of an eyesore once built than light rail. And conventional minded, corporate owned politicians will have none of it.
If there had been any leadership at city hall, the project would have been given to Sound Transit with a mandate to get it built. All we get from city hall is business as usual, and when we get people in office who aren't insiders the Seattle Times and local TV do everything they can to run them out of town.
Form my perspective Elizabeth Campbell is anything but an incompetent manager of money and projects. She is a successful business woman who has self funded much of this difficult effort. And most importantly she understands the arrogant and insular nature of politics in Seattle and elsewhere. The monorail project was and still is a people's movement. If you expect this operation in its currently unfunded status to be spit and polish with bullet proof scheduling of a full time PR staff then you are not what I expect of the Stranger.
I would agree with liberatusquirkus, get over yourselves. After all you did do an in-depth character assassination on one of her friends and she has a right to be angry. You should do that level of research on more of the questionable local and state pols once in a while.
And regarding the monorail, that is the only transit solution that has a decent shot at ultimately operating out of the farebox. Monorail systems all over the world do this as well as the Seattle Monorail which actually returns money to the City each year. And the former Green Line was estimated to be breaking even 9 years from start of revenue service. That's why they were able to obtain a firm design-build-operate-maintain contract for the project.
And the resulting cost with soft costs for the Green Line would be about $2.1 billion in today's $. Compare that to Sound Transit's $8 billion estimate for a similar but slightly longer route that provides the same level of service, i.e., no street level operations. And for all that dinero we get to subsidize the system in perpetuity and ride through tunnels like rats in a sewer -- but that's at least 15 years out based on ST's track record (assuming the region’s voters will even support a huge amount of $ for new Seattle centric light rail transit in say a 2016 vote), so not to worry.
One other point that people may miss -- the post mortem study shows the Green Line board was badly misled by the state officials regarding the amount of revenue from the car tab fees. Their venial sin, if a sin at all, pales in comparison to Sound Transit’s mortal sin of missing their 2006 target for service over their initial 21 mile line by some10 years and having to triple the cost -– but no one seems to remember that when they pick on the monorail. Of course it did not help that the county exec and the mayor, prodded I suspect by downtown property owners, were relentless in their attacks on the system. Dan Savage got most of it right even though he was a little foul mouthed about it.
So Stranger, man up and help this egalitarian operation do something uplifting for your city. Gotcha may sell papers but it doesn’t help the grass roots movements.
The only connection here is that some of you folks are putting them in a statement as if there was a connection between the two.
You want $2,000,000 then get rid of the foot ferry, or start a Transportation Benefit District for those that would actually benefit.
@35, her words speak for herself, it's self-inflicted character assassination.
Please stop calling the monorail a grassroots effort. Its not. All the other transit wonks appose it, and for a lot of good reasons. The most important of which is that the effort lacks any credibility or capability. They haven't bothered to actually engage the public or activists, they haven't bothered to reach out to the politicians, they haven't bothered to do any realistic research, they haven't bothered to create realistic estimates of the project's scope and cost, they haven't bothered to run a "Pro" statement on the ballot, and they didn't bother to show up for this meeting with the SECB.
That is a huge sentence because I kept thinking of things they haven't bothered to do, just in running this small campaign. So I am MASSIVELY skeptical that this same group of people could manage a project of this size.
Add to that the fact that this $2M would be spent to study something that the City and Sound Transit JUST FINISHED STUDYING, and OMG no. (Sorry about the caps)
That said, I'm not touching this with a ten-foot pole. I'll be shocked if this gets 30 percent support.
Think single-track monorail. Minimal visual/physical impact. Stations easier to locate, readily beside upper-story building patios. My 2007 "Circulator Monorail" is 6 miles of 'single-track' with 13 stations, 4 cars every 5 minutes, 2 spare cars maintenanced inside one floor of new nicer Mercer garage. A beautifully scenic overhead route. 1/6 mile subway serves Center House basement/Fischer Dance floor. All-weather access. Due west monorail nicely pops out the hill above Key Arena Plaza, swoops to a simpler NW corner station. KOMO gets the only double-track station to step-out and step-on the next car passing back to stations nearest Center event activity. Wow.
Current route north from Exposition Hall parking garage is 4th straight to KOMO. 5th overhead is decommissioned or kept for future spur line. From KOMO, south to SR99 opening and view southwest Alki Point and Waterfront. Better access than JCFields can do with their Waterfront design. Stations across from Pike Place Market and Coleman Dock.
A Twenty minute cycle Circlator Monorail. Circulator Monorail cost: $500mil. Economic value-added investment exceeds $1bil.
So, Elizabeth Campbell has earlier copies of my work in her position. She, like most of you Stranger/Crosscut/Bike people in Seattle, never fucking bothered to get yourselves a goddamn copy from your fucking city hall, look at it for more than two goddamn seconds and THEN make a fair assessment. Instead the loudest nitwit among you decides what is actually possible with monorail.
Elizabeth's plan is bogus. She's a nice lady though, I've found, tries to be polite, may suffer from acute misinformation like most other much worse frickin Seattler dumass. Please don't put streetcar on 1st Ave. 4th/5th couplet connector would be safer, better overall. Seattle's new streetcar lines are the nation's worst. 1st Ave connector would make them worse.