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Totally not shocked. How many of the attendees has the Stranger endorsed in the past? And it's good to know we will soon be paying $2000 a month in rent for just a small semi-rundown apartment in Seattle. Why? The market y'all!!!
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Totally normal, and totally unacceptable. Each council person attending that retreat should have to recuse themselves from future votes that directly effect the chamber and the retreats sponsors.

This will never, ever happen of course, but I hope the media remembers who takes gifts from whom when the next piece of legislation is voted upon.
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The chamberpots of con-merce , the trade assholeciations , et al, are de facto owners' unions. What you see in city hall is happening in the county council , the state legislatewhore, and the CON-gross in D.C. . --- http://theyrule.net & http://www.corporatewelfare.org & http://www.ctj.org .
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@Doug, did you notice that your mayoral candidate, Mike McGinn, also attended them when he was mayor?
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Seriously? Our elected leader are paying to attend a conference organized by some of the largest employers in the region. This isn't a cozy junket...it's Suncadia, for crying out loud, not Hawaii. It would be stupid if our elected officials were NOT there to develop relationships and promote policy solutions for the vexing problems that affect these companies and their employees...and that includes affordable housing, transportation, and more. The presence of our city council and mayor doesn't mean they've sold out. It may simply mean they're doing their jobs.
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@3 - They (we) are paying their way, so unless they're swapping Rolexes on the links I don't see how you could see it as a gift.
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See?

You're serfs.

Not Citizens.

They don't work for you...
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@6 Me? I don't know what I've got to do with McGinn—that the dude that likes bikes? I'm speaking in generalities. I think any elected official accepting gifts of any sort should be ineligible from voting on legislation effecting that party.
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Suncadia is nice, the staff is really good, but they have the cheapest, most abrasive toilet paper I've ever encountered. THAT is the real scandal here.
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Gotta' love Sawant "sitting out" a meeting of the elites, skipping the bourgeoisie, and appealing directly to the proletariat.

News flash you dizzy hag: Seattle is moving to a council by districts. Better get in those meetings a represent EVERYONE in your district, not just the Womyn's Studies majors, Boomer nostalgists and process sycophants.

Unless you think you're gonna' take one of those 2 at-large seats, in which case you'll be a marginal player – as the "districts" have more commonality in practical matters (safety, roads, zoning), than the political fringe that overstated by the at-large elections you've benefitted from.

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@8 Ok, I'll accept I have no link-following skills. I stand by my point, it just isn't exactly what we're talking about here.

In this case, what exactly is the role of the "sponsors" if taxpayer money is funding this?
14
Sawant's mouthpiece gives her another wet kiss on the pages of Slog. And he's still not embarrassed.
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Wasn't there a Slog article yesterday decrying the lack of input and participation from large employers with regards to housing? Because I see a whole lot of large employers on that list.
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Close up on Clutching pearls

"Scandal! It's a Scandal, I tell you!"

Fade to Black
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@14

people try literary tricks all the time (poor Paul Constant), but your imagery really works here. cheers!
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Is this a violation of the Open Public Meetings Act? It applies to retreats as well.



I don't know much about the details of it, but I know that 6 is a quorum.
19
Business as usual with our politicians and their corporate masters.
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While I think we can all agree this isn't like booking a Royal Suite in Dubai, it's hardly a Motel 6.

I'm actually intrigued. Cle Elum isn't too far. I wonder if they are open in the winter.
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Fix your fucking open <b> tag ya mooks.
22
Shocking news! Just like it was the last time the Stranger had a noob reporter who got bent out of shape over this yearly event. I hope Ansel is replaced soon so we can read this story again in 2015.



@18: 6 Councilmembers can go to the movies together or sit through a conference, but they can't sit as a group to discuss city policy.
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Wow. Somebody please fire this shill of a hack reporter. Have you even looked at the list of companies? Most of them are Northwest companies, ALL provide tens of thousands of high-paying jobs and are major patrons of charitable organizations, the arts, and support local vendors as their suppliers. Yes, they also sometimes play a harmful role and do stupid shit, but that's exactly why our government needs to stay engaged with them. This kinds of us-vs-them mentality is just as dumb as the Tea Party and LaRouche assholes!
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"The presence of our city council and mayor doesn't mean they've sold out. It may simply mean they're doing their jobs."

How come they couldn't just meet these business leaders during regular office hours...like the rest of us? Why do they get special access to these leaders?

Suncadia - I wouldn't call it swanky but I wouldn't say it's not a resort.

Wonder if any School Board members are there - after all, downtown wants a school and they want the district to front all the bills.
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The ideas that $1,350 per councilmember covers the entire cost of this retreat or that corporate sponsorship means only a 1" x 2" logo on a custom-printed TrapperKeeper are ludicrous. It covers the actual room cost, MAYBE.

Unless proven otherwise, you can assume that the corporate sponsors are underwriting buffets, cocktail hours, rounds of golf where they are conveniently present to make up foursomes, swag bags, banquets, etc.

Cle Elum is not Maui, of course, but if you want a better idea of the real economics of something like this, here ya go.

Corporate entities should have to pitch their woo by the same avenues available to actual voters: the Postal Service, e-mail, the telephone, and shanks' mare.
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@23

Ansel Hack is a cool hipster. He's allowed to be wrong, and will continue so. I mean, who gives a fuck? Whether he's right or wrong he still gets his paycheck, unlike all his lower class friends who have real jobs.
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There's the old saying about keeping your friends close and enemies closer. I think she could have served us better, offered some much needed dissent, and maybe even disrupted proceedings or seen corruption in action if she had gone. Her absence here is nothing more than grandstanding and self righteous posturing.
Ms. Sawant, please do not turn down another opportunity to engage corruption at the moment it is likely to occur.
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Ansel, you are a hack reporter. Your article seems to suggest that the city council members who are attending this conference are as, Sawant notes, guilty of "brazen corporate favoritism." However, simply attending an annual conference held by major Seattle employers is weak evidence to support that they favor the interests of employers over any other group of constituents. These Seattle employers, as any other group, have a legitimate interest in trying to influence city policy because they are major city stakeholders. Council members also attend meetings, conferences, and dinners held by labor groups. Should an article be written to suggest that the council is guilty of brazen labor favoritism? How could that be so -- I thought they were corporate shills, not labor thugs? The sense of outrage expressed in the article is evidence of your naivety. Also, dude, please get outside of Seattle sometime. Suncadia is not a swanky resort despite what their marketing department tells you. It's a decent regional hotel/conference center that caters to regional groups. Get over it. loser.
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@1 - LOL I thought the same thing!
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Let's definitely make sure that our electeds are not taking part in any conversations that involve outside investment in our city, especially ones that involve traversing mountains, driving for over 45 minutes, and being located in close proximity to meadows, trees, and/or rivers. Instead, please ensure that they are confined to Seattle neighborhoods at all times because, Lord knows, that's where Seattle truly creates the hundreds of barista jobs that keep this city humming!
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Another example of Kshama Sawant exposing common political practices as being completely business as usual and entirely corrupt. Why have I never heard of this conference that has been running for 25 years? Because our major media outlets endorse conferences like that, and don't want regular citizens to even be aware of them. I can't thank her enough for continually being willing to go against the grain of elected politicians and call out their ridiculous BS.
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*Weyerhaeuser.
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@22 “[T]he transaction of the official business of a public agency by a governing body including but not limited to receipt of public testimony, deliberations, discussions, considerations, reviews, evaluations, and final actions.” RCW 42.30.020(3).[1]
"For example, a majority of a city council could attend a meeting of a regional chamber of commerce or a county commission meeting provided that the council members did not discuss city business or do anything else that constitutes an “action.”"

If they aren't going to be discussing city business, then why are we paying for them to go?

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@33 if they are discussion city business and a quorum on the council is on hand, how does this square with our meeting laws?
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Ansel,
I don't think you know what a "swanky resort" is...
36
It is worth noting that the Chamber of Commerce paid for 40 delegates to visit prek centers in New Jersey, Boston and Washington DC. Burgess and Murray are leading this effort. Now, I'm finding it NO surprise that Alaska Airlines has contributed to the city's 1B program.



Despite the campaign rhetoric around 1B, be clear, we're looking at a public-private partnership and all the right players are in place.



It is also worth noting that Burgess used city dollars to wine and dine guests to talk prek.



The city's ed. department is a bloated burearcracy and the city proposes rewarding those that helped with enormously high administrative salaries north of $150K. See attachment E- page 24.



http://murray.seattle.gov/wp-content/upl…



We've got homeless foster kids and these goons are vacationing on the city's dime.
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I read the title and knew immediately that it was Jr. Reporter Ansel Herz, trying to get us all worked up over a non-event. When will this kid get fired from the Stranger? Not soon enough.
38
Sure are a lot of corporate serfs posting today.
39
good lord. Sawant is testing my lefty resolve to keep her on the council.

there is no housing "crisis" in the sense she's saying - affordable housing is a NATIONWIDE issue, and ppl have been making good-intentioned but half-assed attempts to address it since fucking 1950. there's no more urgency around it than there is around climate change. its a slow-motion apocalypse that's not going anywhere because America.

we can afford to have the council talk to the CoC in freaking "swanky" Suncadia 2 days a year. Sawant should go; she'd probably learn a thing or 2 And God knows the CoC could learn from her as well.

Dialogue not grandstanding.
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It does seem a little cozy, maybe…but, when you use terms like "swanky" to describe Suncadia it seems a bit histrionic. If they had to ask me if they could go, I would probably say "no." However, when I hear Sawant use her over theatrical and Onion-esque tone to describe things, it makes me not trust my own judgment.
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So???? Suncadia RULES! Love it there! It's a place for mental grounding. Have a good time guys!
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former Mayor Mike McGinn, who went to Suncadia conferences when he was in office, said he worries about their downside.

I think that's called remorse Mike. Feelings of guilt, shame, and remorse for how you behaved when you were in the driver's seat.
43
Hey, look at all those loyal donors to Washington democratic candidates! I guess when there's a campaign donation limit, they find other ways to give. Can we PLEASE stop letting our elected representatives be chosen by who can court the most money from the super-rich? That's how we ended up with the most regressive tax system in the country. It didn't just happen by accident, ya know. Stop voting for democrats, vote for people who don't take big business money like Kshama and Jess Spear!
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Ansel Herz + Kshama Sawant = Comedy Gold.

The best is Sawant's radical, revolutionary idea of holding a public hearing on the budget. Power to the People!

Oh, wait, you mean they do that every year? Crap.
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@43: More comedy gold. We ended up with the most regressive tax system because the people of the State voted against an intiative that would have put an income tax in place--an initiative that was financed by very rich people. Even if people like Kshama Sawant could somehow get an income tax through the Legislature it would go down in smoldering flames via an Eyman referendum.
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Rates start at $119 a night (what the Moore hotel on 2nd charges for a "deluxe room" meaning no shared bath). That's gotta be doable on Keck's budget, right? So how about next year commissioning Cienna Madrid to attend this rough-around-the-edges resort and actually report on the conference? She'd be PERFECT for something like that. I worry if Ansel went he'd strain his glowering muscles.
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@23 "Wow. Somebody please fire this shill of a hack reporter. Have you even looked at the list of companies? Most of them are Northwest companies, ALL provide tens of thousands of high-paying jobs and are major patrons of charitable organizations, the arts, and support local vendors as their suppliers. Yes, they also sometimes play a harmful role and do stupid shit, but that's exactly why our government needs to stay engaged with them. This kinds of us-vs-them mentality is just as dumb as the Tea Party and LaRouche assholes!"



I agree completely with you. Thank you.
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@46, I was guessing $300-400 a night based on the schmancy website and what resorts charge in the mountains closest to my barren windswept plain; shows what I know. But I love the idea of Cienna sneaking into buffet lines, eavesdropping in corridors, and dodging from tree to tree along the fairways. Make it happen, Stranger!
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@33, 34



In order for a meeting to be subject to the open meetings act, the city council must take "action." Action is defined as the transaction of "official business." So what constitutes official business? That question is for the courts to decide, and I don't have time to look into the case law on the matter. However, I would be shocked if the courts would find discussing policy at a conference as official business. Now, if they were holding closed door meetings about specific pieces of legislation that are currently up for a vote, that may bring them closer to a violation.



I don't really think this event is newsworthy. This article reads more like an press release for the council members that did not attend the conference.
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I'd be upset if they weren't talking to the largest employers in our state. These companies represent large number of people and greatly impact our economy directly. No big deal.
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@33, 34, 49

Any discussion of city issues is considered an action under the Open Public Meetings Act. It does not have to be discussion of specific legislation, nor include a decision on the issue. So if a majority of councilmembers are in the room and one or more of them talks policy, it is supposed to be announced in advance and open to the public, with a recording and minutes taken. (And if they aren't talking policy, why are they there?)

This is not a slam dunk legal case, but it's pretty close to one. If anyone has the time and energy to pursue a legal case, they'd probably win.
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I'm good with our elected officials talking to the major employers of our region as well as the Seattle Chamber of Commerce. I'm even good with where they're having it.

I also think that it would be a benefit to the city if Sawant went to both listen and raise some hell. I get where she's coming from (and the image she seeks to protect) but she missed a real opportunity here.
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The real Nick Licata.
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@5 is right.



Somehow, we don't realize that the employers are just one part of the group that make the economy run. There's also the workers. THEIR interests. THEIR needs. THEIR fair share. We've bought into the lie that only amateurs, not serious politicians, talk to the workers. REAL politicians "dialogue" with the owners and do whatever they say. 'Cause the owners know everything, right? The workers are just an undisciplined mass. Just listen to the owners. They run everything. They know what's up. Politicians who listen to the workers are "grandstanding" and are only good for "comedy gold".



And that's how we got to where we are today - the rich increasingly reaping more of the fruits of society and the ever-expanding poor only stuck with their dead-end labor.



Here's a revelation: Without the workers, the owners are nothing. Look at the sponsors of the swanky (for us; hey, it's Washington State) retreat. Who builds those planes? Types those codes? Cuts those trees? Constructs the office buildings, production buildings, and keeps them running? The executives? You're lucky if they know how to turn something on. They need us (us = you and me = the workers) just like we need them. And if we don't have the money to buy their goods and services, they're FUCKED. We're all fucked. Capitalism doesn't work if there isn't anybody to justify the expenses of the exploitation of labor.



The eight-hour day? Worker and consumer protections? The $15 minimum wage? They didn't come out of a Suncadia resort. The owners didn't suddenly have this idea to make safer places of employment, to make safer products, and to care about the welfare of their employees.



And yet politicians, community leaders, and media figures still look at the corporate executives like fifth graders look at their teachers, the adults who know everything and have all the answers. Because we, we're all so dumb, right? All we know how to do is build the planes, cook the food, clean the floors, all while juggling personal lives and trying to take care of ourselves. What the hell do we know. We don't deserve to have some "grandstanding" politician talking about listening to us and holding meetings with us. I prefer the "real" million-dollar politician who only has time to play golf with the execs of Microsoft.



I'd say I'm disappointed with Licata, but he did vote for the boondoggle tunnel along with the other million-dollar politicians. Eddie Murray, "America's Progressive Mayor," "A Real Progressive," is a fucking corporate clown. Always has been.



Constantine I am disappointed with.



I guess I'm mostly disappointed with the fact that we've rigged the system so much that even "ethical" politicians (relative term) feel that they have to prostitute themselves to keep their jobs.



Good on Mike O'Brien. Good on Jean Godden. And good on Kshama Sawant, who's not afraid to let herself be the target of the ire of the corporate-delude status quo. In this day and age, a politician who is vocally supportive of the needs and rights of workers is so strange it almost seems wrong.



It doesn't matter what the same ten corporatist critics say on the same blog. As the sandwich we the workers are forced to eat becomes increasingly more sour, the numbers of us who are falling out of the spell of our corporate masters grows even greater. Global anti-capitalist protests are not a freak anomaly.
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Guess who wasn't in Cle Elem? (Or went and came back)?

That would be Councilman Burgess who was at an election forum tonight flacking for 1B (Murray didn't call him "the Godfather of Preschool" for nothing).

I was actually speaking out against both 1A and 1B and he asked the moderator why I was on the panel. (For the record, I was invited; I didn't ask them.)

I think his words were "it's just not usual." When I asked him if he was against democracy, he got up and left the table.

So maybe, he's going to Cle Elem tomorrow again. Who knows with the Godfather?
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@45, you do realize that the property tax exemption on that income tax initiative you so loved would have made the tax system more regressive, yes? If you had actually used the pro-income tax group's own numbers and website, If you made 500k a year and had a 500k property in King County, you'd be spending 40 dollars less in taxes due to the exemption.

My numbers may be a little off, but it was something ridiculous like that. Bill Gates Sr. was running a tax dodge in the name of an income tax, and you bought it hook, line, and sinker.
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@51: Wrong. You've obviously never been to one of these chamber retreats. It's a series of speeches and workshops on specific topics (but not specific legislation), with the Councilmembers sitting in the audience for the most part.
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@51



It is not true that "any discussion of city issues is considered an action under the Open Public Meetings Act." Under RCW 43.30.030 the only meetings that are subject to the open meetings act are ones in which "action" is taken. Further, RCW 43.30.020 defines "action" as the transaction of official public business. Policy discussions do not alway rise to the level of official public business. There is a difference between discussing policy proposals and actual bills or other pieces of legislation that are coming up for a vote. In quickly reviewing the case law, it is clear that there are many examples of gatherings of public officials to discuss policy that were deemed to not be in violation of the open meetings act. I'm not exactly sure where that line is, but I am fairly certain it is not at a conference. It seems that the line for "action" is taking an official vote on legislation.



Also, your assertion that if majority of council members gather to discuss policy in a room that would constitute a violation of the open meeting act is wrong. The state supreme court in Matter of Recall of Estey (1985) held that a meeting is not automatically subject to the open meetings act just because a majority of council members are gathered together. In addition RCW 43.30.070 explicitly states that a majority of council members simply gathering does not automatically subject the meeting to the open meetings act.



Therefore, this is not a slam dunk violation of the open meetings act. There is an argument to be made that this is a violation, but I think that it is very weak based on case law and statues.


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While Slate is generally useless, this article they posted yesterday would seem to be highly relevant here:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p…
If BIPAC is indeed so cozy with the Chamber of Commerce types, it seems highly likely they would be directing the tone at events like this.
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Grandstanding or not, I can guarantee that if Sawant went, people here would be gleefully chomping at the bit to point out her hypocrisy by attending the retreat. But she didn't, so we're once again treated to criticisms that either have nothing to do with her policy or are rooted in good ol' fashioned misogyny and mansplaining like "dizzy hag" (@12), "Sawant's mouthpiece giving her a wet kiss" (@14), "Sawant would probably learn a thing or 2 if she went" (@39), and her "Overly theatrical and onion-esque tone" (@ 40).



And just to flip the other card, It's interesting that there don't appear to be any criticisms or comments regarding councilmember Godden, who is also taking a principled stance on not attending, and was quoted extensively in the piece.
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@60: Maybe because Godden doesn't slander her colleagues with false innuendo--colleagues whose votes she needs to get anything useful done--and take credit for a public budget process that has been in place for years? Ya think?
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This type of 'retreat' is a great example of the subtle corruption of our political system. For all those complaining that this is a non-event getting undue coverage, get back to us when the majority of our city council enjoys a lovely evening on a stretch limo tour of our homeless population, courtesy of RealChange. Oh that's right...that will never happen. I wonder why.

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