Your continual attack on Murray is obvious & stupid.
I'm not gay but I can see gay-bashing.
Trying to inoculate yourself by attacking Murray will not protect you from further attacks by right-wingers.
Instead of blaming "Football culture" for this fiasco part of the blame has to go with Sanders and his family. They chose to go along with the coaches and violate WIAA rules, and now are surprised that the rule-breaking coaches aren't the most honest of people. Make no mistake the coaches should be fired and the program itself needs some punishment, but treating Sanders and Co. like a blameless victim is a bit of a stretch.
And to the whole football culture thing, anytime there's competition people break the rules to win. So what specifically does football do differently than any other sport or activity that would lead itself to this situation?
And its important to note that being a football player doesn't impart any type of immunity from criminal prosecution. So the issue isn't systemic to football itself, but to the criminal justice system. It just happens that athletes are celebrities, so you hear much more about them.
@10 That study looks at arrest rates, not commission rates. I suspect the average LEO is more inclined to cut a break for a pro athlete than for Joe Blow.
@15 "....but we now know that football players are about 50% less likely to be arrested ...."
No. What we now know is that *NFL* players "...are about 50% less likely to be arrested ....". The stats say nothing about other football players. This doesn't imply that, say, college level players are more likely to be arrested, it's just that the stats you cite reflect only a subset of football players. Their professional status may impact their behavior in ways non-professionals are and these stats can't demonstrate that.
@15 Since you're missing the point of what I said i guess i'll have to clarify what i meant. The morning news blames the whole garfield/sandusky/greghardy on 'football culture' which we know is BS from fivethirtyeights stats.
Then it mentions the garfield situation as being another example of how 'football culture' is bad. This part is more BS, seeing as sports recruiting violations are nothing new and the fact that folks break rules if they think it gives them an advantage.
@blip: we have a cultural problem with rape and domestic violence
The problem is testosterone, not culture, and football (and other sports) provide young men a prosocial outlet for aggression. The last thing we want is to cut sports and leave a bunch of high-testosterone young men wandering around idle and bored after school.
The football article seams more like an attack on a sport from someone who wished they played than anything based on facts. When stories of abuse and misconduct come out about football programs it is front page news. There are examples of abuse and misconduct that occur every day in America that are not front page news. If a student breaks the law they are not on page one of the paper, but they will be if they play football. All HS sports including football probably do a better job of preventing students from ending up in trouble than school alone.
This article would do a better job of at least pretending to report on the news if they looked at the history of Garfield and the EX athletic director who was well known for having recruiting violation concerns. His desire to win was more important than getting kids in the classroom and learning.
Nevermind the recruiting violation, how about enrolling a student that doesn't even meet basic residency requirements? Isn't this the same school district that hired a PI to investigate students' families they suspected lived outside the required area?
#23 Woofcandy - Testosterone is NEVER an excuse for rape and it is dangerous to endorse that reason and further more there is never ANY excuse for rape. Men need to take responsibility for their behavior. This society continues to be a dangerous place for women, girls and boys etc. This IS a cultural issue in a society that benefits from exploitation of others ( for example - the constant drive for cheap labor, to exploit the poor, tenants, and others by corporate wealthy entities) which is endorsed by this society. Shame.
I'm not gay but I can see gay-bashing.
Trying to inoculate yourself by attacking Murray will not protect you from further attacks by right-wingers.
And to the whole football culture thing, anytime there's competition people break the rules to win. So what specifically does football do differently than any other sport or activity that would lead itself to this situation?
Morally depraved.
And its important to note that being a football player doesn't impart any type of immunity from criminal prosecution. So the issue isn't systemic to football itself, but to the criminal justice system. It just happens that athletes are celebrities, so you hear much more about them.
No. What we now know is that *NFL* players "...are about 50% less likely to be arrested ....". The stats say nothing about other football players. This doesn't imply that, say, college level players are more likely to be arrested, it's just that the stats you cite reflect only a subset of football players. Their professional status may impact their behavior in ways non-professionals are and these stats can't demonstrate that.
Then it mentions the garfield situation as being another example of how 'football culture' is bad. This part is more BS, seeing as sports recruiting violations are nothing new and the fact that folks break rules if they think it gives them an advantage.
The problem is testosterone, not culture, and football (and other sports) provide young men a prosocial outlet for aggression. The last thing we want is to cut sports and leave a bunch of high-testosterone young men wandering around idle and bored after school.
This article would do a better job of at least pretending to report on the news if they looked at the history of Garfield and the EX athletic director who was well known for having recruiting violation concerns. His desire to win was more important than getting kids in the classroom and learning.