News Aug 15, 2017 at 10:00 am

Maddow on White Supremacist Violence: "A Persistent Infection in White American Culture"

Dan Savage
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You might go to a Grateful Dead show or a strip club or the ballet "on a whim". You don't go to a white supremacist rally on a whim.
DOUG. on August 15, 2017 at 10:10 AM Report this
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@2: Watch the tape — she was being SAF (sarcastic as fuck).
Dan Savage on August 15, 2017 at 10:13 AM Stranger Staff
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Is violence always a part of a group's "culture," if a few members of that culture act violently at various points in history?

Because if so, you could say the same thing for literally every culture that has ever existed.
Theodore Gorath on August 15, 2017 at 10:16 AM Report this
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"It could also make it impossible for these guys to ever walk the fuck away from this hateful movement"
Nope, go to an AA meeting and listen. You always have the chance to change your life if you are ready to put in some work.
Seattle in Alaska on August 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM Report this
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America is pretty goddamn forgiving if you make any attempt at an apology. I mean, Mark Sanford.
Mtn. Beaver on August 15, 2017 at 10:34 AM Report this
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And Black Lives Matter's violence is a persistent infection on black culture.
Last of the Time Lords on August 15, 2017 at 10:39 AM Report this
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AND let's not forget the Bernie Bro who decided to shoot GOP members of Congress during that softball game a few weeks back.
Last of the Time Lords on August 15, 2017 at 10:40 AM Report this
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@3: Okay, then that invalidates her (or your) point: that some of these guys didn't intend to be in it for life. And now will forced to be radicalized forever. Which, of course, isn't true. Known white supremacists have been denouncing their past words and actions for the entirety of American history.
DOUG. on August 15, 2017 at 10:44 AM Report this
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No, you're not locked in for life. If Senator Robert Byrd, noted opponent of civil rights in the 1960s can renounce racism later in life, if George "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" Wallace can later renounce segregation (albeit after being paralyzed by a bullet in the spine), then any of these assholes can at some point in the future show genuine contrition and be forgiven.

Until then, I'm pretty much okay with doxing them.
Reverse Polarity on August 15, 2017 at 11:15 AM Report this
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There was a federal program called Life After Hate that helped neo-Nazis and white nationalists get out and start over. Unfortunately, DHS staffer Katherine Gorka - wife of CONFIRMED NAZI Sebastian Gorka who works in the White House despite having completely fictitious credentials - defunded the program to divert the funding to anti-Muslim groups.
Kevin_BGFH on August 15, 2017 at 12:13 PM Report this
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Rachel rocks,,,but who don't know that?,,also this shows that Mr. Savage does watch the tee vee machine from time to time,,,
Wild Bill on August 15, 2017 at 2:20 PM Report this
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...and DJT doubles down on the bothe sides were violent bull crap. So, if there was any question of his sincerity in his speech condemning the altright, here's your proof (again) that he's a frakking liar. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post…
SNJ-RN on August 15, 2017 at 4:27 PM Report this
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@14:

Hardly a secret: Wilson, even before becoming president was very open about his xenophobia and racism. He also later apologized for some of his words and actions (but regrettably, not all); something others on this thread have noted regarding formerly avowed racists. No one is beyond redemption, but admission of guilt and complicity is the first step. You should try it yourself sometime.
COMTE on August 15, 2017 at 4:40 PM Report this
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There is no doxxing going on here. These are Nazis that went out in public, attended a public Nazi event and openly carried various Nazi symbols. The entire event was centered around publicly affirming the Nazi affiliation of the participants. No attempt was made to remain private. When employers find out, it's basically in the form of "Hey, I saw Tanner at the Nazi bake sale and murder event last weekend."
lampshade_picnic on August 15, 2017 at 8:51 PM Report this
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If they'd 'just happened' to attend a NAMBLA rally, would we be so concerned? Yes, doxxing is a highly dubious practice, as was 'outing' for example, but still we're dealing with Klansmen, Nazis and their fellow-travelers/useful-idiots.
Polyphemus on August 16, 2017 at 11:42 AM Report this
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Sure they can walk away. They just have to admit what they were. They can never walk away by claiming they never were white supremacist, Nazis , KKK whatever. But everyone loves a repentant sinner, even those of us who don't believe in literal sin.

If they want to walk away they have to admit they were what they appeared to be, and that they have changed and are turning over a new leaf and no longer hate anyone.

Then they will be praised for turning their lives around.

But someone mentioned AA and while I'm not a fan of AA particularly they have one thing definitely right. The road to recovery starts with admitting you have a problem. You can't expect to change your life if you deny there is a problem in the first place.

Even if these people were just "flirting" with white supremacy, they engaged in this behavior. They must admit it and "repent" publicly. Then they can get back to their lives. But I don't see them doing this. What I see are people claiming that walking next to people carrying torches, wearing swastikas, and shouting "the Jews will not replace us" doesn't make them racist.

That isn't going to fly.
Fortunate on August 16, 2017 at 2:48 PM Report this

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