So we're guessing Ms Scotland was not cool with the Mohogamish thing?

All this time I thought that lesbians RECRUITED.

So are the women turning down the overtime as it's being offered or is the City simply not even offering it to them?

And employers are typically going to favor employees who are willing to work more overtime hours: it shows flexibility on the employees part to work more.

The wage gap is real, I just do not understand the "how". How does it manifests itself so systemically. It is not just "your are female, we pay you less". It is less overt and less direct (just like systemic racism). Anyone care to break down how the system pulls this off?

@3 Yea, same question. There's very little detail here. Is that ALL city employees or controlled by job type in some way? Overtime in a city budget tends to flow towards cops, firefighters, and road workers and not toward white collar "knowledge workers." My suspicion is that's what's happening here. Cops are picking up most of the overtime, and most of the cops are men.

My recommendation regarding wage gap = compare salaries with your colleagues. If you know what they get, you have a better idea of what you are really worth. This is why companies try to shun salary comparisons; it is not good for the company [fuck the worker].

Men are going to be more likely to work the utility jobs that are physically demanding and that also get called in for overtime when there is an emergency.
Also women may, if given a choice, opt for less overtime if they have kids at home; assuming any women still mother children in this enlightened post-reproductive society we have fashioned.
Seattle gender wage gap may still be very much a thing, but this post does not present any evidence that it is an unjust thing, or a thing that the affected female employees are unhappy with.

@1: Well, if one's partner is going to be made of wood, that's a pretty good one.

Oh, I see I didn't hit Refresh before posting again. Drat. Well, it's early.

Yeah, all those women electricians, mechanics, cops,firefighters, and city utilities workers are getting shafted because they don’t exist.

And the correct title of this article should be “Seattle women paid less IN TOTAL overtime hours”. Not “Less for”, Ya hackjob goblin.

(Less for) indicates the overtime pay rate is calculated differently somehow if you own a vagina...which everyone knows is untrue.

Quite entertaining to see the “provider” wannabes unemployed single guys jump on the beginning of every comment thread of the Stranger.
Quite a life seating all day in mum’s basement, waiting anxiously for a chance to pretend you know what you’re talking about, not to mention telling everyone else how they should live they’re lives.

As for that throw in at the very end: While I've seen others do this exact same thing over the years I'm still fascinated.

Ok, it should be "their."
Apparently even raindrop is fed up with you.

The fact that the total of what women are paid in an organization is different from the total of what men are paid does not reveal anything about fairness of the organization's employment practices.
Whether the organization is a company or a city government of the national economy as a whole.
Men and women are very different, and have very different physical and intellectual skill sets; if given the freedom to do the jobs they want they will often gravitate in very different directions. That is not a problem, in fact it is a huge evolutionary advantage that we (men and women) are different but complementary.
Creating artificial arbitrary quotas creates inefficiencies in the economy and creates stresses.
Women should not be made to feel like failures if they do not want to be utility linemen or motorcycle cops or SEALS or computer programmers at the exact same rate that men might.
They should not be made to feel like failures if they are interested in being nurses or preschool teachers or- god forbid- mothers and homemakers.
As long as women (and men) are free to pursue their chosen career paths uninhibited the final tallies of how many women vs men are whatever is totally irrelevant.
The (only) wage gap that should matter is where people are doing the same/similar work; men and women should receive equal pay within the jobs they share, but looking at a large number of employees and parsing out the grand total of pay by gender is not a meaningful statistic.
Perhaps some women mathematicians and statisticians could be recruited to explain this to their shrieking sisters. Not that there is anything wrong with women shrieking.

@12. I provide other people with jobs and my own family with plenty. I’m sitting in my work van waiting for my hvac subs to get to the job so I can let them in and direct them.

Admin is done, job prep is done, client is gone. I’m killing time, loser, so thanks for the imaginary diagnosis, but I’m going to get a second opinion.

@3,4: So no one has ever explained it, you have never observed it, you don't know how it happens, and you don't know why it happens. Yet you for some reason believe it as true, despite never having any details/evidence explained to you or even offered. So I have to ask...why?

@11: You act like the poor and misleading word choice was some kind of mistake.

I'll ask again "So are the women turning down the overtime as it's being offered or is the City simply not even offering it to them?

And employers are typically going to favor employees who are willing to work more overtime hours: it shows flexibility on the employees part to work more."

@5

With respect, that wouldn't tell you much.

What salary did both start at? I'm an average negotiator of salary. I have friends who are very good or very bad at it. We'd all start with different baselines and subsequent raises based on that baseline. There's going to be an established salary range in most organizations for the position, but where one falls in the range will have a lot to do with starting pay.

What background in education and job experience do they bring? There are literally no exactly comparable paths to a current salary package. In a very large organization enough data should exist to compare like jobs and cancel out the variables. In a smaller one not.

As noted OT pay may be more available to male dominated city jobs.

I want my nieces to be treated fairly at work. I want them not to be harassed because they're women. I want them to be compensated like their male counterparts. But to get there the existing real reasons for disparity in numbers are more helpful than blanket assumptions of sexism.

@7) Nyet.

Killed her spouse by strangulation and (postmortem to aid cover up?) stabbing and conspired with friends to cover her crime up. 2nd degree murder. Apparently the friends weren't charged as accessories.

Hmm.

muffy @ 16
"I’m going to get a second opinion" - something you would gladly deprive of others.

P.S. say hi to mum.

So men work more overtime hours than women. There could be a number of reasons this is the case.

It’s because of all of the free time in the basement - I, for instance, leave all but one room down here unheated.

Less wage slavery that way. Or something.

Um.

"Attorney–client privilege is dead!" --Mein Trumpfy
No, it ain't! What's dead is your 'game.' Loser.

(So. Fucking. SAD the Far-alt-Righties had to give us this POS POTUS)

(Imagine, if you will, the Payback the next Dem* Prez is gonna get)

* Corporate-lite

"Redmond woman charged in wife's murder..."
Looks like marriage equality is (finally!) (sadly, here) here.

Dan 'The Savage' is correct: it's past time to re-consider marriage vows vis a vis actual human sexuality.

That was one helluva throw!

Here's the thing... SCL, SDOT, and SPU overtime is for line/construction/utility work, not office work. I work for the city in construction management, and it's very much an office job. I'd have to jump through a billion hoops to get approval for overtime (that, or there would have to be a monstrous catastrophe that necessitated my overtime). But people want their power, roads, and water 24/7, so these guys have to work their asses off to make the public happy. That often means working long shifts, off-hours, or both.

One thing to consider is that these jobs are still very male-dominated, and it's doubtful that will change in our lifetimes. I think I can count on one hand the number of female construction workers I've met in my 15 years of experience.

The other thing to consider is that these are also positions represented by unions. The unions have negotiated a pretty great fucking deal for their members as far as what constitutes overtime. Instead of crying out "wage gap" over this, we should be celebrating that we compensate our city's workers in a manner that is more than fair. We basically treat overtime as a bonus for working more than you should have to, and that is a very, very good thing.

I guess my point is that it's not really an apples-to-apples comparison if you're looking at overtime for jobs that tend to have a higher percentage of men working in them. Any women in construction for the three departments being called out had the same opportunity for overtime as the men. I love working for the city. It is by far the most diverse workplace I've ever been lucky enough to be a part of. I sometimes count my lucky stars that my white, male, cisgendered ass actually got hired.

I'm all for fighting the good fight, but this is the wrong thing to be calling out as proof of a wage gap.

Also, for those who want actual numbers, the wages of all city employees are public record. You can find them here: https://www.seattle.gov/personnel/resour…

Note that there is nothing in those schedules that says anything about gender.

It appears that Assad was fortunate in timing his chemical attack.
Something stayed the administration's hand from a forceful immediate response and domestic political considerations seem the likely explanation.
Any dilatory US response now will be seen as ineffectual, especially given Russian warnings.

@30 and others, you used a lot of words to show you didnt read the article.

@32, but you're a racist and a rapist